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Debate on bill on Monday, 14 December 2009, in the House of Commons, led by Andy Burnham. The answering member was Lord Lansley.

Personal Care at Home Bill

Personal Care at Home Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on proceedings in Committee, on Report, Third reading and any other proceedings. Agreed to on division (266 votes to 182). Queen's recommendation signified. Money resolution. Agreed to on question.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
502 c664-746 
Session
2009-10
Department
Department of Health
Legislative stage
Second reading
Procedure
Programme motions
Money resolutions
Queen's recommendation
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Related items
Deposited Paper DEP2010-0067
Monday, 14 December 2009
Deposited papers
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Phil Hope | 502 c741-2 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to give way, because I want to address the point made by the hon. Member for South Ca...
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Christopher Fraser | 502 c726 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with my hon. Friend. Does she agree with me that in large counties such as Norfolk—...
Chloe Smith | 502 c725-6 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. I follow on from the Lord Lipsey quotation already given:""What has gone wrong is that ...
Edward Timpson | 502 c727 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that whenever the Government present a new policy or a new Bill to the Hou...
Chloe Smith | 502 c726-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for his contribution. I will come to what our local authority has had to say ...
Chloe Smith | 502 c727 (Link to this contribution) I share my hon. Friend's perplexity. I know that my local authority will struggle to find more money...
Jeremy Wright | 502 c729-32 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Norwich, North (Chloe Smith), because I agr...
Chloe Smith | 502 c727-9 (Link to this contribution) Indeed—and still with no picture on the lid. I want to make one more point about costs before I dea...
Joan Humble | 502 c732-3 (Link to this contribution) May I begin by apologising to you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and to right hon. and hon. colleagues, for ar...
Joan Humble | 502 c733-4 (Link to this contribution) But that is the whole point of the personalisation agenda, and why I very much welcome it. The hon. ...
Jeremy Wright | 502 c733 (Link to this contribution) I accept that we can do both, but there needs to be sufficient flexibility in the system to allow pe...
Speaker | 502 c741 (Link to this contribution) May I just interrupt the Minister of State for a moment? There are a lot of private conversations ta...
Phil Hope | 502 c739-41 (Link to this contribution) The question of how we create a fairer, more affordable system of care and support is one of the def...
Stephen O'Brien | 502 c734-9 (Link to this contribution) It is interesting to follow the hon. Member for Blackpool, North and Fleetwood (Mrs. Humble), who is...
Phil Hope | 502 c741 (Link to this contribution) We have not got the time to get into the details of what happens if somebody has continuing needs wi...
Lord Lansley | 502 c741 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way in the midst of the non-partisan discussion he said he ...
Phil Hope | 502 c741 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Conservatives said that it is only a part of the jigsaw, so do nothing—...
Phil Hope | 502 c717 (Link to this contribution) I noticed that the hon. Gentleman failed to take up the offer from his party's spokesman to support ...
John Hayes | 502 c717 (Link to this contribution) I will give way one more time, but then I must move on to the main thrust of my argument.
Tobias Ellwood | 502 c719-21 (Link to this contribution) I have woken the Liberal Democrat Member up and I am delighted to give way to him. No? He has nodded...
Joan Ryan | 502 c721 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has referred to royal commissions and Green Papers. However, he has not mentioned...
John Hayes | 502 c717-8 (Link to this contribution) I listened closely to my hon. Friend the Member for South Cambridgeshire—I was having a cheese sandw...
Tobias Ellwood | 502 c719 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Mr. Hayes),...
John Hayes | 502 c718-9 (Link to this contribution) I notice that the Minister freely acknowledges that. It is important that the views of organisations...
Edward Timpson | 502 c722 (Link to this contribution) In the light of those comments, does not my hon. Friend find it rather strange that the explanatory ...
Tobias Ellwood | 502 c721-2 (Link to this contribution) The Minister says that he is writing copious notes. Well, it would be nice to get an indication, eit...
Tobias Ellwood | 502 c721 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to digress from my examination of the changes that should have taken place. We are he...
Chloe Smith | 502 c725 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the powerful contribution of my hon. Friend the Member for Bournemouth, E...
Tobias Ellwood | 502 c724-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that clarification on one of the many issues that will undoubted...
Lord Lansley | 502 c723-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will have noted, as I did when he was quoting the Green Paper, that it included remar...
Tobias Ellwood | 502 c723 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State nods, but why is he just nodding with me, rather than that being written in t...
Tobias Ellwood | 502 c722-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that intervention. Perhaps it is timely that the Secretary of St...
Andy Burnham | 502 c664 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. This is a significant moment for the House,...
Andy Burnham | 502 c664 (Link to this contribution) We want to make the system fairer now for people in our communities with the greatest needs, and I h...
Tobias Ellwood | 502 c664 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way so early in his speech, but I must ask him wh...
Andy Burnham | 502 c664 (Link to this contribution) The Green Paper has kicked off a long overdue debate about the funding of social care in England, bu...
Bob Spink | 502 c664 (Link to this contribution) To make this excellent Bill work better, we need to ensure that we can fund adaptations to homes—suc...
Norman Lamb | 502 c665 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State mentioned that the provisions would benefit 400,000 people. The risk assessme...
Andy Burnham | 502 c664-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman's kind words about the Bill. The Minister of State, Department ...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c665 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Bournemouth, East (Mr. Ellwood) was right to say that the Bill needs to fit into...
Andy Burnham | 502 c665 (Link to this contribution) In a moment, I will break down the precise figures on those who will benefit from the Bill. On reabl...
Lord Lansley | 502 c666 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the Secretary of State could explain to the House how he sees the Bill forming a br...
Andy Burnham | 502 c665-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very important point, and I pay tribute to him as a former care services Mini...
Andy Burnham | 502 c666 (Link to this contribution) I repeat what I said a moment ago. The measure paves the way for a major reform of the system in two...
Andrew Pelling | 502 c666 (Link to this contribution) In being able to cross that bridge, there is obviously always the tricky issue of financing. There i...
Norman Lamb | 502 c667 (Link to this contribution) It is probably unlikely that a local authority would change the criteria to remove free care from th...
Andy Burnham | 502 c669 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman's point: informal carers save billions of pounds that otherwise woul...
Brooks Newmark | 502 c669 (Link to this contribution) I believe that when the right hon. Gentleman was a Health Minister he made the point that the vast n...
Andy Burnham | 502 c668-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady raises a fair point. She rightly asks where the efficiencies will come from. My hon. F...
Jacqui Lait | 502 c668 (Link to this contribution) May we briefly pursue the costs issue? As I understand it, the Secretary of State is expecting local...
Andy Burnham | 502 c668 (Link to this contribution) Let me repeat that the Bill has two purposes: to make the existing system fairer now, in the recogni...
Lord Lansley | 502 c668 (Link to this contribution) I am still confused about what the Secretary of State considers to be the purpose of the Bill. He se...
Andy Burnham | 502 c667-8 (Link to this contribution) Let me break down the figure for the hon. Gentleman. Currently, 170,000 people receive free care. It...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c670 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend might need to have a think about this point and come back to me on it. The Bill...
Brooks Newmark | 502 c669 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State's comments will be extremely helpful to my constituents in Braintree. Each an...
Andy Burnham | 502 c669-70 (Link to this contribution) I can give a very specific example. The hon. Gentleman may know that last year we asked primary care...
John Hayes | 502 c671 (Link to this contribution) The intervention by the hon. Member for South Thanet (Dr. Ladyman) draws attention to an important a...
Andy Burnham | 502 c671 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way in a moment, but this is an important point. The Bill answers one of the key issues...
Lord Lansley | 502 c671 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State is being generous in giving way. I merely seek a point of information. Can he...
Andy Burnham | 502 c671 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Gentleman's point, but I believe that the Bill does exactly what he is calling...
Pete Wishart | 502 c670 (Link to this contribution) Can the Secretary of State clarify his intentions on attendance allowance? He will know that when Sc...
Andy Burnham | 502 c670 (Link to this contribution) We will certainly look at the detail of what my hon. Friend is saying. My initial response is that t...
Andy Burnham | 502 c670 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to say to the hon. Gentleman that this Bill does not deal with the reform of benefits. We...
Andy Burnham | 502 c672 (Link to this contribution) This legislation is not required to provide reablement services. However, we are clearly linking it ...
Lord Lansley | 502 c672 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for his clarification that the purpose of the reference to r...
Norman Lamb | 502 c696-7 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for South Thanet (Dr. Ladyman). What he said towards the end ...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c696 (Link to this contribution) That process allows us perhaps to create a framework within which we can proceed to at least a parti...
Speaker | 502 c696 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Member for Bournemouth, East (Mr. Ellwood) must bear in mind the rules governing deb...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c696 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is trying to trivialise a serious issue. He may wish to visit the House of Common...
Tobias Ellwood | 502 c696 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way just as he is beginning his final crescendo. He s...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c696 (Link to this contribution) I am about to end my speech, but I will give way briefly.
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c695-6 (Link to this contribution) I certainly think that there is a risk. One of the risks could be reduced, depending on how the Gove...
Tobias Ellwood | 502 c696 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c694-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is absolutely right. That is why I call attendance allowance the ultimate direct payme...
Christopher Fraser | 502 c695 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that some councils would be better placed than others to find the mon...
Norman Lamb | 502 c699 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a very good point, and I suspect that his assumption may well be correct. U...
Kelvin Hopkins | 502 c699 (Link to this contribution) Was Lord Lipsey not put on that royal commission at a late stage by Downing street, in order to crea...
Norman Lamb | 502 c698-9 (Link to this contribution) Lord Lipsey is a Labour peer who was chosen to sit on that commission and who until now has taken a ...
Stephen O'Brien | 502 c699 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the economic modelling that lay behind the Green Paper might not ...
Norman Lamb | 502 c699 (Link to this contribution) I have no idea, but I would not be surprised, given the way this Government operate. One is left wit...
Norman Lamb | 502 c697 (Link to this contribution) I was about to add that although some good things have happened, since the commission reported there...
Kelvin Hopkins | 502 c697 (Link to this contribution) The members of the royal commission subsequently made estimates of cost which were, at the time, the...
Norman Lamb | 502 c698 (Link to this contribution) I respect the hon. Gentleman's position. The increase would be significantly more than that at first...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c698 (Link to this contribution) I cannot stop myself from pointing out to the hon. Gentleman that Lord Lipsey was the member of the ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 502 c697 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has referred to significant developments over the past 12 or 13 years. Does he ag...
Lord Lansley | 502 c684 (Link to this contribution) There is no evidence in the impact assessment that any of this has been thought through. All that is...
Jacqui Lait | 502 c684 (Link to this contribution) Would my hon. Friend be prepared to speculate on the cost of staffing for the intensive rehabilitati...
Lord Lansley | 502 c683-4 (Link to this contribution) According to the Secretary of State, the Bill is supposed to be associated with the Green Paper and ...
Lord Lansley | 502 c685-6 (Link to this contribution) Yes, the hon. Gentleman is absolutely right—there is no reference to that. Indeed, this is one purpo...
Lord Lansley | 502 c685 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very good point. We need to guard against the risk of diminishing the contrib...
Robert Syms | 502 c684-5 (Link to this contribution) Much of the care given to the elderly in their own homes is by relatives, who are often excluded fro...
Andy Burnham | 502 c682 (Link to this contribution) In simple terms, will the hon. Gentleman explain how a single assessment process can work for both a...
Lord Lansley | 502 c682 (Link to this contribution) Yes. In simple terms—I shall repeat the language I used—I am talking about an assessment of need; it...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c688 (Link to this contribution) I think that the hon. Gentleman is talking about a specific type of accommodation—usually a retireme...
Lord Lansley | 502 c688 (Link to this contribution) No, I am sorry, but I just do not accept that that is the case. I have visited extra care accommodat...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c691-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for South Cambridgeshire (Mr. Lansley) described this as a short Bill, but it seemed...
Lord Lansley | 502 c688-91 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but the hon. Gentleman completely misunderstands what I am saying. I am not disputing th...
Kelvin Hopkins | 502 c692-3 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend says, as so many Members do, that free long-term care is unaffordable, but that assum...
Jacqui Lait | 502 c694 (Link to this contribution) I just want to put to the hon. Gentleman the thought that the benefit of attendance allowance is tha...
John Hayes | 502 c686 (Link to this contribution) Surely my hon. Friend is not suggesting that the Secretary of State has neither sought nor received ...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c688 (Link to this contribution) I am keen to help the hon. Gentleman reconcile that point, because I am keen to promote extra care a...
Jeremy Wright | 502 c713 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that another consequence of the Bill taking effect and disappointing peopl...
John Hayes | 502 c713 (Link to this contribution) That is where I began my speech—by reaffirming the point about the desirability of quality. The Bill...
John Hayes | 502 c712-3 (Link to this contribution) If we were having that debate at the beginning of the life of a new Government, or at the end of the...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c712 (Link to this contribution) Let us assume that there is a White Paper in the new year; that there is a discussion about it; that...
John Hayes | 502 c712 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his intervention, because he, as a Front-Bench spokesman on thes...
Stephen O'Brien | 502 c712 (Link to this contribution) I am listening in awe to my hon. Friend's great speech, which is clearly schooled by the great compa...
Brooks Newmark | 502 c711 (Link to this contribution) When I asked the Minister about the cost of individuals giving up their time—constituents in Braintr...
Stephen O'Brien | 502 c713-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for South Thanet (Dr. Ladyman) said that we should support this—by his own admission...
Phil Hope | 502 c715 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
John Hayes | 502 c714-5 (Link to this contribution) Yes. As long ago as 2002, when the Community Care (Delayed Discharges etc.) Bill, which this Bill am...
Phil Hope | 502 c715 (Link to this contribution) That is my intention. The hon. Gentleman has spoken very eloquently, as he is wont to do. We have me...
John Hayes | 502 c715 (Link to this contribution) Having been so kind to the hon. Gentleman, I hope that he will be equally kind to me.
John Hayes | 502 c714 (Link to this contribution) The shadow Secretary of State said that the issue was not just funding or organisation, but quality....
Chloe Smith | 502 c714 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for affording me just a few moments. Does he agree with me and, I am sure, ot...
John Hayes | 502 c714 (Link to this contribution) I shall, but then I want to move on to the substance of my speech, because these are only my introdu...
Laura Moffatt | 502 c703-4 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. I thoroughly concur with those views. That would improve the quality of life not only of the...
Jacqui Lait | 502 c704-6 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to follow the hon. Member for Crawley (Laura Moffatt). I think that the point she was...
Laura Moffatt | 502 c702-3 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for North Norfolk (Norman Lamb), who spoke of things bein...
Kelvin Hopkins | 502 c703 (Link to this contribution) I think my hon. Friend has answered my point, in a sense, but does she not agree that hundreds of th...
Norman Lamb | 502 c699-700 (Link to this contribution) That has neither been addressed in the Bill, nor been addressed for a very long time. The costs of d...
Christopher Fraser | 502 c699 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the delivery of these health care services in rural constituencie...
Norman Lamb | 502 c701-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right in one sense, because he is advocating a comprehensive system that appli...
Kelvin Hopkins | 502 c701 (Link to this contribution) Could all this not be overcome by providing long-term care, either at home or in care homes, free of...
Norman Lamb | 502 c700 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for South Thanet hit the nail on the head, because the number of people who will ben...
Greg Mulholland | 502 c700 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for South Thanet described the people who would be helped as a very small subsection...
John Hayes | 502 c709-10 (Link to this contribution) If the Bill were an emergency measure—an emergency response to a problem—it would have happened soon...
Speaker | 502 c710 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sorry to interrupt the hon. Gentleman. The hon. Member for Southport (Dr. Pugh) should n...
John Hayes | 502 c710-1 (Link to this contribution) It is difficult for me to comprehend that anyone would want to read a newspaper during this immensel...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c706 (Link to this contribution) I am enjoying the hon. Lady's contribution, and I agree that there is a serious issue with providing...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c706 (Link to this contribution) The Bill amends the very Act that sorted out bed blocking. It takes the Community Care (Delayed Disc...
Jacqui Lait | 502 c706 (Link to this contribution) I wish that they were irrelevant. The purpose of the Bill, if I have read the Government right, is t...
Stephen O'Brien | 502 c706-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes her points extremely powerfully. It seems to me that she is worried about promi...
Jacqui Lait | 502 c706 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on getting in a mention of the 2003 Act, which he took through Par...
Robert Syms | 502 c707-9 (Link to this contribution) We all know why the current Government, and indeed former Governments, have not moved rapidly on per...
Jacqui Lait | 502 c707 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. My mother benefited from that system when it first came in. Sadl...
Norman Lamb | 502 c680 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman concede that, just as the criticism of the Bill is that it is a partial solu...
Lord Lansley | 502 c681-2 (Link to this contribution) The Minister tempts me, but I will not do so. The hon. Member for Leeds, North-West (Greg Mulholland...
Lord Lansley | 502 c681 (Link to this contribution) It is not for me to speculate on election timings.
Lord Lansley | 502 c681 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very good point. At the time of the Queen's Speech, the Prime Minister descri...
Greg Mulholland | 502 c681 (Link to this contribution) Does the shadow Secretary of State agree that if there is a March election, as is rumoured, the Bill...
Lord Lansley | 502 c680-1 (Link to this contribution) I understand that it is important for us not to have a perverse incentive that means that people who...
John Hayes | 502 c681 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend, with typical, measured and moderate understatement—the sort of understatement that h...
Lord Lansley | 502 c682 (Link to this contribution) Apparently that will happen with no loss in transaction costs in the process. That is absurd. We kno...
Lord Lansley | 502 c678 (Link to this contribution) This is interesting. I understand the Secretary of State's point, but this is not an interim proposa...
Andy Burnham | 502 c678-9 (Link to this contribution) Is the shadow Health Secretary comfortable with the fact that for people with the most critical care...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c679 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman concede that given that the average cost of care home fees is about £26,000 ...
Lord Lansley | 502 c679-80 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman has asked me that, I shall turn to something that I was going to say later. I ...
Norman Lamb | 502 c680 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Lansley | 502 c680 (Link to this contribution) I will, and then I had better get on with the Bill itself.
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c677 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Lansley | 502 c677-8 (Link to this contribution) I have not really begun yet, but I shall of course give way in a minute. I find the situation very ...
Andy Burnham | 502 c678 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is not making a fair point. In any scenario under the reform options in the Green...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c677 (Link to this contribution) I shall deal with that point if I manage to catch Mr. Deputy Speaker's eye later. First, I want to d...
Lord Lansley | 502 c677 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman seems to be squirming because of the simple fact that Labour made a promise almos...
Lord Lansley | 502 c677 (Link to this contribution) I shall certainly give way to the hon. Gentleman. I do not recall him, when he was the Minister with...
Lord Lansley | 502 c676-7 (Link to this contribution) But many were only adequate, as the Minister with responsibility for care services knows very well. ...
Andy Burnham | 502 c675-6 (Link to this contribution) As I was saying to the shadow Health Secretary, there is discretion for local authorities under the ...
Lord Lansley | 502 c676 (Link to this contribution) I am sure the House is grateful to the Secretary of State for taking so many interventions with a vi...
Andy Burnham | 502 c674-5 (Link to this contribution) I encourage the hon. Lady to look at the Bill's impact assessment, which proposes a number of option...
Norman Lamb | 502 c675 (Link to this contribution) The consultation on the regulations makes it clear that the sum available is finite—it will not be i...
Lord Lansley | 502 c674 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Poole (Mr. Syms) made a good point, which I am afraid the Secretary of...
Andy Burnham | 502 c674 (Link to this contribution) The savings identified in the pre-Budget report will remain with local authorities and can then be u...
Hywel Williams | 502 c674 (Link to this contribution) Can the Secretary of State tell the House what the Barnett consequential from the spending will be f...
Norman Lamb | 502 c672 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way again. Does he accept that there are some cas...
Andy Burnham | 502 c672-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. There are some people for whom reablement, or intensive...
Robert Syms | 502 c673-4 (Link to this contribution) Will the £250 million from local government be a one-off cost or a recurring cost year on year? I no...
Andy Burnham | 502 c672 (Link to this contribution) Strictly speaking, the Bill provides the local authority with discretion to provide that support, bu...
Jacqui Lait | 502 c674 (Link to this contribution) Will the redistribution of the money the Secretary of State has found from his departmental resource...
Phil Hope | 502 c716 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to work out where the hon. Gentleman stands. On that basis, I assume that he will be vot...
John Hayes | 502 c716 (Link to this contribution) No, because I retain my sense of optimism, as I think I have made perfectly clear in this all-too-br...
Stephen O'Brien | 502 c717 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to find that my hon. Friend has been paying such close attention to areas outside his own ...
John Hayes | 502 c717 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has positive form in that respect. It was his willingness to listen and learn that allo...
John Hayes | 502 c716 (Link to this contribution) I think the hon. Gentleman is rising to tell me that he has been persuaded by my argument.
Phil Hope | 502 c716 (Link to this contribution) I am hugely persuaded by the possibility that the Conservatives, of whom the hon. Gentleman is a ver...
John Hayes | 502 c716 (Link to this contribution) I try never to make policy on the hoof, as a matter of principle, but when I do, I try to ensure tha...
Speaker | 502 c743 (Link to this contribution) I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the No Lobby.
John Hayes | 502 c711-2 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. That very good point was made not only by my hon. Friend, but also by the hon. Member for So...
John Hayes | 502 c715 (Link to this contribution) I talked about the principle of the Bill being right, but I made it absolutely clear that I thought ...
Andy Burnham | 502 c667 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right to raise funding because it raises real challenges both at the national ...
Lord Lansley | 502 c686-7 (Link to this contribution) Just to help my hon. Friend, I should say for the record that he speaks in an ironic fashion—and so ...
John Hayes | 502 c712 (Link to this contribution) The subject certainly deserves the sort of considered reflection that the hon. Gentleman gives such ...
Lord Lansley | 502 c679 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State is asking me to anticipate the rest of my argument. We have made it clear tha...
Andy Burnham | 502 c674 (Link to this contribution) Local government efficiency is in the pre-Budget report, and it is a recurring cost; but the savings...
John Hayes | 502 c717 (Link to this contribution) I know that my hon. Friend will now translate them into Tory policy on this subject.
Norman Lamb | 502 c685 (Link to this contribution) Returning to the costing of reablement, the hon. Gentleman described costing as taking place on the ...
Stephen Ladyman | 502 c693-4 (Link to this contribution) I accept that it is objectively true that if we raised tax, we could afford it. My hon. Friend and I...
Andy Burnham | 502 c674 (Link to this contribution) There is no Barnett consequential from the spending. It is spending that is already allocated and ha...
Subjects
Care homes Community care Chronic illnesses Finance Fees and charges Eligibility Housing improvement Home care services Local government finance Social services
Legislation
Personal Care at Home Bill 2009-10
Contains statistics
Yes
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