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Debate on bill on Tuesday, 23 November 2010, in the House of Commons, led by David Gauke. The answering member was Lord Hanson of Flint.

National Insurance Contributions Bill

National Insurance Contributions Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed on question. Programme motion relating to proceedings in public bill committee, consideration and third reading, and Lords amendments agreed on question.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
519 c192-234 
Session
2010-12
Department
Treasury
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
David Gauke | 519 c193 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman brings me on to the second part, to do with the national insurance holiday, which...
Mike Gapes | 519 c193 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister aware that the proposals in the Bill discriminate against many areas—of London, in p...
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Andrew Love | 519 c192 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. What is the net impact on employers of the 1% increase offset b...
David Gauke | 519 c192 (Link to this contribution) Compared with the plans that we inherited, the impact of the increase in threshold will be such that...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c192 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister confirm, however, that about £1.4 billion is not being compensated for by the thre...
David Gauke | 519 c192 (Link to this contribution) The fact is that the Labour party would have raised the full amount. We are offsetting £3 billion, w...
Speaker | 519 c192 (Link to this contribution) Before I call the Minister, I inform the House that Mr Speaker has not selected the reasoned amendme...
David Gauke | 519 c192 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. The Bill before us consists of two parts. T...
Charlie Elphicke | 519 c197 (Link to this contribution) I welcome this measure. It is just the thing to spur on the private sector. In evidence to the Treas...
Lord Tyrie | 519 c195-6 (Link to this contribution) I take my hon. Friend's points about the limited resources, the risk of bureaucracy and the difficul...
David Gauke | 519 c196 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend raises a fair point. We are determined that in administering the scheme, Her Majesty'...
George Hollingbery | 519 c196 (Link to this contribution) It occurs to me that this is a particularly prescribed aspect of the Bill with three particular area...
David Gauke | 519 c196 (Link to this contribution) What we must bear in mind is that we have limited resources. If we were to extend this measure to ev...
David Gauke | 519 c196 (Link to this contribution) I must make some more progress. If we are to move to a model of economic growth founded on private ...
Lord Cryer | 519 c196 (Link to this contribution) I have listened very carefully to the Minister. Some 40% of the people in employment in my constitue...
David Gauke | 519 c196 (Link to this contribution) A labour market is not restricted to particular constituencies. The fact is that the private sector ...
David Gauke | 519 c195 (Link to this contribution) If we were to choose precisely where the policy applied on a much more closely defined geographical ...
Penny Mordaunt | 519 c195 (Link to this contribution) If the scheme cannot be extended to an entire region, does the Exchequer Secretary accept that there...
David Gauke | 519 c195 (Link to this contribution) The focus of the policy has always been on start-up businesses. It is an attempt to encourage new bu...
David Gauke | 519 c193-4 (Link to this contribution) The sums are based on the assessment made by the independent Office for Budget Responsibility at the...
Andrew Love | 519 c194 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman mentions low earners. Of course, the thing that the Conservatives did not put in ...
David Gauke | 519 c193 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the hon. Gentleman, but before I do, may I congratulate him on his long delayed b...
Stephen Pound | 519 c193 (Link to this contribution) That is extremely generous of the Minister. All I can say is that if he was surprised, imagine how I...
David Gauke | 519 c195 (Link to this contribution) I understand my hon. Friend's point, but the fact is that we have limited resources and have inherit...
Stewart Hosie | 519 c195 (Link to this contribution) I am very supportive of the proposal in general terms, but when the Government came to their decisio...
David Gauke | 519 c194-5 (Link to this contribution) No. We agree with the view of Tony Blair and, apparently, the previous Chancellor of the Exchequer t...
John Baron | 519 c195 (Link to this contribution) There is no doubt that one welcomes this package of measures, which will help the lower-paid in part...
Charlie Elphicke | 519 c199 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is right that the national insurance holiday will not apply in my constitue...
Speaker | 519 c199-200 (Link to this contribution) Order. We cannot have comments shouted across the Floor from a sedentary position. It makes it very ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c200-1 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has confirmed that. Tomorrow's business leaders who want to start businesses in the con...
Mel Stride | 519 c201 (Link to this contribution) The shadow Minister has heard that rolling the scheme out across the entire country would cost an ad...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c200 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady knows that that was a clear and honest policy that we put to the electorate. The Gover...
Justine Greening | 519 c200 (Link to this contribution) My point was that the Labour party would have increased NICs for absolutely everybody.
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c200 (Link to this contribution) I have said what I have said. We were open and honest during the election campaign, and we will supp...
Justine Greening | 519 c200 (Link to this contribution) Can the right hon. Gentleman tell us whether it is still his party's policy to go ahead with those N...
Jeremy Lefroy | 519 c197 (Link to this contribution) The Government correctly emphasise the importance of the voluntary sector, and it is likely that the...
David Gauke | 519 c197 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention. We have to build this private sector recovery. This measure is ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c199 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the hon. Member for Dover (Charlie Elphicke); the national insurance policy will ...
Charlie Elphicke | 519 c199 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c199 (Link to this contribution) But there were no caveats about a shortfall in the Budget proposals of about £1.4 billion. I think i...
David Gauke | 519 c198-9 (Link to this contribution) Page 8 of our manifesto stated that we would"““raise the secondary threshold at which employers star...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c198 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his exposition of the Bill. We will test aspects of it in Committe...
David Gauke | 519 c197-8 (Link to this contribution) At this early stage, we have had around 1,000 applications, but we expect more as awareness of the p...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c197 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister tell the House, for the sake of clarity, how many businesses have to date applied ...
David Gauke | 519 c197 (Link to this contribution) A charitable entity that is located in one of the relevant regions and that carries on a trade, voca...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c203 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the hon. Gentleman can tell us whether he is in favour of his constituents not having this b...
Charlie Elphicke | 519 c203 (Link to this contribution) I spoke on the subject of regionalisation in the Finance Bill, and we have to take the rough with th...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c203 (Link to this contribution) I think I know Delyn better than the hon. Gentleman. If he would like to come to me to talk to the 3...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 519 c203 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c203-4 (Link to this contribution) In a moment. [Interruption.] Not North East Somerset. The hon. Gentleman knows that I meant the Defe...
Jonathan Edwards | 519 c204 (Link to this contribution) We as a party welcome the initiative, and I am sure the Government will be happy to hear that. It is...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c204 (Link to this contribution) If the scheme were applied to Greater London, the east and the south-east, and taken up at the level...
Andrew Bridgen | 519 c204 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman clarify his statement? Did he just suggest that we cut taxes to increa...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c203 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will know that North West Leicestershire will benefit from the scheme, but I hope...
Barry Gardiner | 519 c201 (Link to this contribution) Is my right hon. Friend aware that Tottenham, which has the eighth highest number of jobseeker's all...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c201-2 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very valid point. I do not begrudge the people of Tatton anything, and I will...
Barry Gardiner | 519 c201 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c201 (Link to this contribution) How can I resist my hon. Friend from London?
Andrew Love | 519 c202 (Link to this contribution) For the record, unemployment in my constituency is about the 50th highest in the country, and my con...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c202 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend. The question that the Minister needs to reflect on, here or in Comm...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c202 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, and neither will the constituencies of my hon. Friends the Members for West Ham (Lyn Brown) ...
Andrew Bridgen | 519 c202 (Link to this contribution) I must say that the enthusiasm being shown by the right hon. Gentleman, and by so many Members on th...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c201 (Link to this contribution) That is a fair and valid point. Yesterday, in reply to a parliamentary question, the Minister emphas...
Barry Gardiner | 519 c215-6 (Link to this contribution) The Exchequer Secretary commended the first part of the Bill by saying that it was fair, that it was...
Julian Sturdy | 519 c214-5 (Link to this contribution) I think that the hon. Gentleman is talking about the regional aspect of the measures, which is impor...
Heidi Alexander | 519 c211-3 (Link to this contribution) I want to make only a brief speech and, like some other speakers, plan to limit my remarks to part 2...
Anne Marie Morris | 519 c211 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that contribution and I absolutely agree. I ask the Treasury team and th...
Barry Gardiner | 519 c214 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will know that the October 2010 claimant level for JSA in his constituency was 90...
Anne Marie Morris | 519 c209-10 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to have the opportunity to contribute to this debate and I offer my wholehearted supp...
Chris Leslie | 519 c210 (Link to this contribution) Has the hon. Lady realised that the proposed holiday does not apply to existing small businesses?
Anne Marie Morris | 519 c210-1 (Link to this contribution) I thank the shadow Minister, but that is precisely my point. I would like to ask the Treasury and th...
Justin Tomlinson | 519 c211 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making some excellent points, which, as someone who used to own a small business, ...
Mike Gapes | 519 c209 (Link to this contribution) I suggest that the hon. Gentleman should perhaps make his own speech, rather than intervene on mine....
Speaker | 519 c209 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman will resume his seat. Interventions are supposed to be brief.
Lord Harrington of Watford | 519 c209 (Link to this contribution) The point needs to be made that the Minister has explained that a significant extra cost is involved...
Mike Gapes | 519 c208-9 (Link to this contribution) I wish to concentrate on the situation facing my constituents and many others in London. The House o...
Michael Fallon | 519 c207-8 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether someone would remain a sole trader in those circumstances, but it is true that...
Stewart Hosie | 519 c207 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman said that there was no step change between the 10th and 11th employees, and he wa...
Michael Fallon | 519 c206-7 (Link to this contribution) I was about to suggest that the measure might well be extended. It is true that job creation comes f...
Geraint Davies | 519 c206 (Link to this contribution) Is not the main engine for job growth among small and medium-sized enterprises the expansion of exis...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c204-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman knows that the Opposition have a growth strategy. We had one prior to the electio...
Chris Leslie | 519 c227-9 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I got the wrong end of the stick from the hon. Member for Newton Abbot when she made that pe...
Stephen Pound | 519 c221-2 (Link to this contribution) A common theme running through the debate—almost the golden thread of it—has been that of not seekin...
Stephen Pound | 519 c222-4 (Link to this contribution) We have had some very successful imports from there in the House, particularly from North East Somer...
Gavin Shuker | 519 c224-6 (Link to this contribution) As a new Member of this House, I am learning an awful lot of lessons, including the one that says ne...
Chris Leslie | 519 c226 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Luton South (Gavin Shuker) on his comments. In a nutshe...
Barry Gardiner | 519 c227 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend none the less acknowledge that the hon. Member for Newton Abbot (Anne Marie Morr...
Gregory Campbell | 519 c220 (Link to this contribution) People such as my hon. Friend's constituents are looking forward to the increase in personal allowan...
Jim Shannon | 519 c219-20 (Link to this contribution) I have always been a very practical person. I ran my own successful business for some 25 years befor...
Mel Stride | 519 c219 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman adds to my point. Indeed, I believe that the cost to HMRC will be £12 million, an...
Chris Leslie | 519 c219 (Link to this contribution) Has the hon. Gentleman had an opportunity to look at the regulatory impact assessment describing the...
Jim Shannon | 519 c220-1 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for his comments, which are very positive. I think that if everyone sat down ...
Mel Stride | 519 c216 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that the purpose of the holiday, as we are calling it, is to try to c...
Mel Stride | 519 c217-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Brent North (Barry Gardiner) referred to the regrettable consequences of Governm...
Barry Gardiner | 519 c216 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman suggests that what the Government are seeking to do is compensate in some way for...
Justine Greening | 519 c216 (Link to this contribution) Can I get this clear? Is the hon. Gentleman saying that Government should not try to help regions th...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 519 c199 (Link to this contribution) I look forward to the hon. Gentleman going back to Dover to explain why he is supporting not only a ...
Julian Sturdy | 519 c213-4 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to contribute to this important debate. It is essential to assist economic recovery b...
Michael Fallon | 519 c205-6 (Link to this contribution) I am not alone in finding that a rather disappointing response—an untypically disappointing response...
Mike Gapes | 519 c230 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the hon. Lady was listening so carefully to what I said. She refers to unemployment, ...
Barry Gardiner | 519 c232 (Link to this contribution) I do not think I heard a single speech from either side of the Chamber that suggested in any way tha...
Barry Gardiner | 519 c216-7 (Link to this contribution) I try to keep debate in this Chamber at a rational and reasonable level. I try not to play silly par...
Chris Leslie | 519 c231 (Link to this contribution) In the hon. Lady's list of Budget changes, what will be the impact of the VAT increase on employment...
Justine Greening | 519 c231-2 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, that must be seen in the context of our desperate need to tackle the fiscal deficit that th...
Justine Greening | 519 c232-3 (Link to this contribution) I realise that the hon. Gentleman takes a different view about how to target the policy. I happen to...
Justine Greening | 519 c230 (Link to this contribution) We have had an interesting debate and I am grateful for hon. Members' contributions, especially that...
Justine Greening | 519 c230-1 (Link to this contribution) A lot of people would debate who those jobs were taken by. In reality, unemployment was higher—every...
Subjects
Business Employment Employees' contributions Employers' contributions Increases National insurance contributions New businesses Tax allowances VAT Tax rates and bands Labour market
Legislation
National Insurance Contributions Bill 2010-12
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