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Debate on bill and Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Thursday, 7 July 2011, in the House of Commons, led by Baroness May of Maidenhead. The answering member was Yvette Cooper.

Police (Detention and Bail) Bill

Police (Detention and Bail) Bill. Allocation of time motion on proceedings on Second reading, in Committee, on Report and Third reading, on consideration of Lords amendments and subsequent stages. Agreed to on question. Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Bill read a second time and stood committed to a Committee of the Whole House. Committee stage debate. Clauses 1 and 2 agreed to on question without amendment. Third reading debate. Agreed to on question. Bill read the third time and passed.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
530 c1675-727 
Session
2010-12
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Third reading
Report stage
Second reading
Procedure
Business motions
Allocation of time motions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 530 c1718 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the right hon. Gentleman very briefly.
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 530 c1717 (Link to this contribution) I want to make some progress, if the right hon. Lady will forgive me, as I have only five minutes le...
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Lord Herbert of South Downs | 530 c1718 (Link to this contribution) I am all in favour of evidence-based policy, but I think that rather than its merely being asserted ...
Frank Dobson | 530 c1718 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister not accept that if we are to have a rational, evidence-based debate about the poss...
Lord McCabe | 530 c1720 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that I have heard either on Second Reading or during this debate whether someone who ...
Lord Coaker | 530 c1719-20 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I should explain to Members who were wondering why I was not standing up to speak that I was...
Julian Huppert | 530 c1709-11 (Link to this contribution) I shall try to be brief, so that we can conclude the debate. I support the Bill, for the reasons tha...
Gareth Johnson | 530 c1708-9 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Holborn and St Pancras (Frank Dobson). I am sur...
Baroness Blackwood of North Oxford | 530 c1713 (Link to this contribution) To be clear, is it not the case that that assumption arose not out of thin air or a desire for conve...
Robert Buckland | 530 c1711-3 (Link to this contribution) The liberty of the individual should be a matter for this place first and foremost, so the fact that...
Tobias Ellwood | 530 c1714-5 (Link to this contribution) It is important that we should have this debate. There has been a lot of discussion about why this h...
Robert Buckland | 530 c1713-4 (Link to this contribution) That is indeed the case, as was helpfully set out in Professor Zander's article, where he took the t...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 530 c1715-6 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Member for Holborn and St Pancras (Frank Dobson) began his speech by reminding the Ho...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 530 c1716 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady continues to seek to make what appears to me to be political hay out of this sit...
David Winnick | 530 c1704 (Link to this contribution) There would be a vote against, I can assure my right hon. Friend.
Keith Vaz | 530 c1703-4 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Tom Brake). I congratulate...
Speaker | 530 c1703 (Link to this contribution) Order. Seven Members wish to speak and I will call the Minister for Policing and Criminal Justice at...
Tom Brake | 530 c1703 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his helpful intervention. He is knowledgeable in these matters, and I...
Frank Dobson | 530 c1707-8 (Link to this contribution) It is the anniversary of the bomb outrages of 7 July, and the bulk of the people who were killed and...
Baroness Blackwood of North Oxford | 530 c1706-7 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Leicester East (Keith Vaz). As always, I agree ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1705 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is setting out his concerns in relation to the time line, and much has been...
Keith Vaz | 530 c1704-5 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that there would be a vote against it, probably led by my hon. Friend the Member for Walsa...
Bob Stewart | 530 c1699 (Link to this contribution) I was going to make just one point—about whether the public have been put at more risk because it ha...
Lord McCabe | 530 c1699 (Link to this contribution) That is largely the same point as the hon. Member for Northampton North made. Does the hon. Member f...
Mel Stride | 530 c1699 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord McCabe | 530 c1699 (Link to this contribution) We agree on getting the emergency legislation through; that is why we are here. But it is a little p...
Tom Brake | 530 c1701-3 (Link to this contribution) Let me start, Mr Deputy Speaker, by apologising to you and to other Members for my brief absence fro...
Lord McCabe | 530 c1700-1 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady may remember that during the same evidence session the police officer concerned referr...
Mel Stride | 530 c1700 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not accept, however, that the article was published after the written judgme...
Baroness Fullbrook | 530 c1700 (Link to this contribution) I was citing evidence that was given to the Home Affairs Committee, and the hon. Gentleman, as a fel...
Lord McCabe | 530 c1700 (Link to this contribution) Presumably, one reason why that guy is one of the country's leading legal experts is that he, rather...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 530 c1726 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. I do not need to detain the House, because...
Lord Coaker | 530 c1726-7 (Link to this contribution) The official Opposition are pleased that the Bill has progressed swiftly through the House. It is a ...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 530 c1726 (Link to this contribution) I believe that the Minister is absolutely certain. I am going to put on my glasses to ensure that I ...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 530 c1726 (Link to this contribution) For the record, may I correct what I said about when the Bill will receive Royal Assent? I should ha...
Lord Coaker | 530 c1726 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Is the Minister absolutely certain that he has got it rig...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 530 c1725 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman's support, although I did it almost all on my own without the l...
Lord Coaker | 530 c1726 (Link to this contribution) This is a hugely important issue not only for the police but for the confidence of the public in ens...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 530 c1723-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Gedling (Vernon Coaker) and my hon. Friend the Member for Amber Valley (Nigel Mi...
Lord Coaker | 530 c1725 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is providing helpful clarity in responding to what the hon. Member for Amber Valley (Ni...
Lord Coaker | 530 c1722 (Link to this contribution) I think so, but we are in Committee and I would need the detail in order to understand what legal ad...
Nigel Mills | 530 c1722-3 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Evans. I should like simply to expand a little...
Lord Coaker | 530 c1720-1 (Link to this contribution) That might well be one example of concern to us all. Whether we use that example or others—the hon. ...
Nigel Mills | 530 c1721-2 (Link to this contribution) One of my concerns is that the decision might mean that the rule was ineffective going back 25 years...
Mark Reckless | 530 c1682 (Link to this contribution) It is clear to me, at least, that the Government acted with alacrity, but perhaps the Home Secretary...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1683 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary has been dealing with issues relating to the emergency legislation. Will she tell...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1683 (Link to this contribution) The answer to the question about the written note is that we were waiting for the judge who had made...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1683 (Link to this contribution) Did the Attorney-General consider joining the case for both the appeal and the stay as soon as he wa...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1683 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady has already raised a number of questions relating to this matter, including the ...
Paul Goggins | 530 c1684 (Link to this contribution) I fully support the Bill, but may I take the Home Secretary back to the last session of Home Office ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1683-4 (Link to this contribution) I thought I had made the position clear to the right hon. Lady. Those who were party to the initial ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1684 (Link to this contribution) The premise of the right hon. Gentleman's question is that I was dismissive of the Joint Committee's...
Paul Goggins | 530 c1684 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to exasperate the Home Secretary, but I was rather hoping she would address the point I m...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1684-5 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is trying to tempt me to debate hypothetical situations. It is right that w...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1686 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend sneaked in with his intervention as I was nearing the conclusion of my speech. Perhap...
Julian Huppert | 530 c1686 (Link to this contribution) I support the Bill, but the purist in me is slightly anxious about the concept of retrospective legi...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1685-6 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady is asking me to talk about a Bill that is entirely separate from the one we are ...
Hazel Blears | 530 c1685 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary clearly regards police bail as an important tool for bringing people to justice. ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1686-7 (Link to this contribution) I understand the point that there have in the past been occasions when emergency legislation has bee...
David Winnick | 530 c1686 (Link to this contribution) I am not necessarily opposed to restoring the position to what it was before the court judgment, but...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1686 (Link to this contribution) I am not aware of such figures, but the right hon. Gentleman's question gives me an opportunity to c...
Frank Dobson | 530 c1686 (Link to this contribution) Does the Home Office, any other part of Government or the Association of Chief Police Officers have ...
Keith Vaz | 530 c1678 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Policing Minister, who has accurately reflected the evidence given by the chief...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 530 c1678 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that these matters will be covered in the Second Reading debate. I set out in my statement...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1678-9 (Link to this contribution) We support the motion, and we will address some of the main issues when we get to Second Reading and...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 530 c1678 (Link to this contribution) No, I am not aware of outstanding legal advice that we have taken. As I told the House last week, th...
Mark Tami | 530 c1678 (Link to this contribution) The Minister says, ““We need to act now””, but why have not we acted earlier?
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 530 c1675-8 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That the following provisions shall apply to the proceedings on the Police (Detention...
Speaker | 530 c1679 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Member may be straying into the next debate. At the moment, we are debating just the...
Baroness Fullbrook | 530 c1679 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for being called to speak in this debate on emergency legislation for police bail. It ...
Lord Beith | 530 c1679 (Link to this contribution) I am no fan of emergency legislation, which I think is generally a bad thing for the House to get in...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1682 (Link to this contribution) Given his experience, the right hon. Gentleman will know that Ministers never confirm or deny when a...
Keith Vaz | 530 c1681 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Home Secretary and thank her for giving evidence about this matter to the Selec...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1681 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his intervention, but he tries to tempt me down a path of discus...
Robert Halfon | 530 c1681 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Government for their speedy action on this issue. Does my right hon. Friend agree that t...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1681 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. Since the Police and Criminal Evidence Act ...
Hazel Blears | 530 c1680 (Link to this contribution) I feel a slight sense of responsibility for the position we are in today as it is the district judge...
Chris Bryant | 530 c1680 (Link to this contribution) I wholeheartedly agree that we need to move as swiftly as possible with this legislation, but we sho...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1682 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman asked me the same question earlier this week when I appeared before the Home Affa...
Lord McCabe | 530 c1682 (Link to this contribution) What many Opposition Members find difficult to deal with is the time scale. The Home Secretary says ...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1694-5 (Link to this contribution) We do have that responsibility, but my reason for continuing to press this point is that these thing...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1695 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an extremely important point. Given the number of Back Benchers who have leapt ...
David Winnick | 530 c1695 (Link to this contribution) Given that my right hon. Friend is giving her full support to the Government, is she at all surprise...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1695 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to the hon. Lady, who I am sure will say something about how speedily the Home Offi...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 530 c1695 (Link to this contribution) No, indeed—I have no Whip's note or other briefing on this matter whatever. The right hon. Lady was ...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1696 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady might think that the speed with which the Home Office has responded is okay, but I thi...
Speaker | 530 c1696 (Link to this contribution) Take two: Lorraine Fullbrook.
Baroness Fullbrook | 530 c1696-7 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to have caught your eye for a second time in the past hour, Mr Deputy Speaker. We ar...
Lord McCabe | 530 c1698 (Link to this contribution) I, too, will support the emergency legislation, but two questions seem to have been raised: first, w...
Baroness Fullbrook | 530 c1697-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right that the fallout from the judgment would be exacerbated by mass a...
Lord McCabe | 530 c1698 (Link to this contribution) I will in just a second. I understand that the Government need to deal with the immediate situation...
Michael Ellis | 530 c1698 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Robert Buckland | 530 c1699 (Link to this contribution) I was going to try to help the hon. Gentleman by saying that the matter had never been ruled upon—it...
Lord McCabe | 530 c1698 (Link to this contribution) They are queuing up for me, but I will go first to the hon. Member for Northampton North (Michael El...
Michael Ellis | 530 c1698 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not realise that the alleged drafting error in the 25-year-old Bail Act has ...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1687-8 (Link to this contribution) We should take the opportunity to pay tribute to the victims of the 7/7 bombings and to their famili...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1688 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes an extremely important point, as we are rightly discussing this measure b...
Hazel Blears | 530 c1688 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend will have heard the response that I received from the Home Secretary. Does my r...
Lord McCabe | 530 c1690 (Link to this contribution) I accept my right hon. Friend's point about not tabling any amendments, but given what she has said ...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1690-1 (Link to this contribution) That would have been one way to do it. When the issue came to light last week, we suggested that one...
Julian Huppert | 530 c1688 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Lady agree that the logical consequence of what the right hon. Member for Salfor...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1688-9 (Link to this contribution) There are cases where police bail can, of course, be used and there ought to be cases where we shoul...
David Winnick | 530 c1689 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is making a powerful case for the situation that existed prior to the court jud...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1689-90 (Link to this contribution) We are talking about wider issues here and, if I may, I will deal with those later. If my hon. Frien...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 530 c1692 (Link to this contribution) On a point of clarity, will the right hon. Lady confirm the time line? She just referred to Professo...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1692 (Link to this contribution) The point is that the Home Office should have prepared. Immediately after the oral judgment was issu...
Michael Ellis | 530 c1692 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Lady not appreciate that, at the time of the oral judgment, it could have relate...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1692 (Link to this contribution) No, I disagree. I think that the judge was wrong in that aspect of his judgment. There are serious q...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1694 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right that there are issues for Greater Manchester police in terms of how fast...
Bob Stewart | 530 c1694 (Link to this contribution) I have sat and listened very carefully to the debate. I am no lawyer but it strikes me that the Gove...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1693 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is right. He makes his points diplomatically, but the complacency of Home Offic...
Mark Reckless | 530 c1693-4 (Link to this contribution) Will the shadow Home Secretary accept that the Government and the Home Office were not parties in th...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1692-3 (Link to this contribution) The article was published on 18 June, following the written judgment becoming available on 17 June. ...
Keith Vaz | 530 c1693 (Link to this contribution) Evidence was given to the Select Committee on Home Affairs on Tuesday that a note was written by cou...
Yvette Cooper | 530 c1716 (Link to this contribution) The issue of the involvement of the Attorney-General is important. It is not simply about whether th...
Robert Buckland | 530 c1703 (Link to this contribution) A potential solution to that issue would be the imposition of a time limit in most cases, unless the...
Keith Vaz | 530 c1705 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary is absolutely right; the operational decisions have to be taken by ACPO. I just s...
Lord Soames of Fletching | 530 c1679-80 (Link to this contribution) I rise wholly to endorse the words of the right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed (Sir Alan Beith) ...
Mel Stride | 530 c1697 (Link to this contribution) On that point, does my hon. Friend also accept that in the case of mass demonstrations and the arres...
Michael Ellis | 530 c1691 (Link to this contribution) That does not tally well with the right hon. Lady's earlier suggestion that the Home Secretary and o...
Lord McCabe | 530 c1699 (Link to this contribution) All judgments depend on what the judge thinks Parliament intended; that is the point. We have someon...
Notes
Allocation of time motion not explicit in the Vote but this proceeding is noted as an Allocation of time motion in the Sessional returns of 2010-12.
Subjects
Criminal investigation Bail Association of Chief Police Officers Legal opinion Police Greater Manchester Police Sunset clauses
Legislation
Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984
Police (Detention and Bail) Bill 2010-12
Link
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