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Debate on bill on Tuesday, 18 October 2011, in the House of Commons, led by Iain Duncan Smith. The answering member was Stephen Timms.

Pensions Bill [Lords] (Programme) (No. 2)

Pensions Bill (HL). Programme motion (No. 2) on proceedings on Report and Third reading. Agreed to on question. Report stage debate. Some amendments made. New clause 2, discussed with new clauses 1, 9 and 10, debated and agreed to on question. New clauses 2 to 7 added to the Bill. Third reading debate. Queen's consent signified. Third reading agreed to on division (287 votes to 242). Bill read the third time and passed, with amendments.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
533 c776-868 
Session
2010-12
Department
Department for Work and Pensions
Legislative stage
Third reading
Report stage
Procedure
Programme motions
New clauses
Queen's consent
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House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Gregg McClymont | 533 c781 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes her point with greater eloquence than I could muster, and she sums up the crux ...
Kate Green | 533 c781 (Link to this contribution) I am very pleased that my hon. Friend has taken up his new post. I am sure he agrees that a balance ...
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Gregg McClymont | 533 c780 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps because I have a historian's perspective, I do not consider 35 years ago to be the mists of ...
Brandon Lewis | 533 c781 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman did not respond to the earlier point about needing to strike a balance between wh...
Lord Sharma | 533 c779-80 (Link to this contribution) What the hon. Gentleman has said is interesting, given that when the Labour party was last in power,...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c780 (Link to this contribution) That was not so much an intervention as a speech. The fact remains that the difference between the G...
Lord Sharma | 533 c779 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for acknowledging that the Government have moved some way on the...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c779 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the savings that we are discussing have absolutely nothing to do wi...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c782 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Secretary of State for his intervention. I am sure that his son is getting a better educ...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c782 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I have given way enough and I have to make progress.
Gregg McClymont | 533 c781 (Link to this contribution) Actually, I did answer that point very simply. This has nothing to do with the deficit, and there is...
Marcus Jones | 533 c781 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman mentions that the deficit will be brought down by 2015-16. That may be the case, ...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c781 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not understand his own Government's policy, which is to eradicate the struct...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c781 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way again, because I have answered the hon. Gentleman's question very clearly. I...
Iain Duncan Smith | 533 c782 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the hon. Gentleman to his place. I am wondering whether he taught my son, who is still at ...
Lord Sharma | 533 c779 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Gregg McClymont | 533 c779 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is of course right. I believe that since the Turner report, longevity predictions have ...
Speaker | 533 c778 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Gregg McClymont | 533 c778 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 1, page 1, line 6, leave out 'December 1953' and insert 'April 1955'.
Steve Webb | 533 c779 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East (Gregg McClymont)—thi...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c778-9 (Link to this contribution) In my first foray from the Dispatch Box, I would like to say that I look forward to having a continu...
Steve Webb | 533 c776 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That the Order of 20 June 2011 (Pensions Bill [Lords] (Programme)) be varied as follo...
Speaker | 533 c776 (Link to this contribution) Does Mr Timms or Mr McClymont wish to speak? There is no obligation on any right hon. or hon. Member...
Hywel Williams | 533 c776-7 (Link to this contribution) Hon. Members will have noted that in his very brief speech the Pensions Minister did not mention my ...
Anne Begg | 533 c839 (Link to this contribution) As someone who, in their young days, was a fruit picker in Angus, picking strawberries and raspberri...
Stephen Timms | 533 c839-40 (Link to this contribution) I could not have wished for a more effective endorsement of the case that I have put to the House. I...
Stephen Lloyd | 533 c840 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman not agree that the danger of starting when incomes are too low is that...
Steve Webb | 533 c836 (Link to this contribution) It will clearly vary from individual to individual, but for many people, earning £8,000 or £9,000 is...
Stephen Timms | 533 c837-9 (Link to this contribution) I welcome new clause 2, but I speak in favour of new clauses 9 and 10, and amendments 18, 19 and 20....
Steve Webb | 533 c839 (Link to this contribution) This is obviously a balancing act, but one reason for going beyond one month is seasonal workers. Gi...
Lord Brennan of Canton | 533 c836 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point, if the Government raise the PAYE threshold, as they have previously announced...
Steve Webb | 533 c836 (Link to this contribution) As we have made clear, people still have the right to opt in to auto-enrolment, but obviously the bu...
Anne Begg | 533 c836 (Link to this contribution) The concern that some of us have is not that the tax threshold will go up to £10,000—although that i...
Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 533 c835 (Link to this contribution) I understand the Minister's point and the benefits to a payroll department in a small firm, but does...
Steve Webb | 533 c835-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady raises an important issue. That is one of the arguments against a six-month waiting pe...
Stephen Timms | 533 c835 (Link to this contribution) May I ask the Minister a wider question on auto-enrolment? As he will know because it has been widel...
Steve Webb | 533 c835 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is right that a draft report has been produced and reported in the press, b...
Steve Webb | 533 c833 (Link to this contribution) The working group will look at making shopping around the default situation. Somebody who does not a...
Anne Begg | 533 c834 (Link to this contribution) If NEST is to work, people must have confidence in the products that are going to be delivered. Howe...
Steve Webb | 533 c834-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Chair of the Work and Pensions Committee for drawing my attention to that docum...
Steve Webb | 533 c833-4 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the hon. Lady will forgive me if I do not; I have given way to her twice already. New c...
Glenda Jackson | 533 c833 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful that the Minister welcomes new clause 1, but with all due respect, he spoke ...
Steve Webb | 533 c833 (Link to this contribution) As I think I said a moment ago, we have asked the working group to look at making shopping around—[I...
Glenda Jackson | 533 c830 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has referred to the transparency of the current charges in the pensions industry, yet i...
Steve Webb | 533 c830-1 (Link to this contribution) There are two significant differences between past and future provision. First, we have established ...
Steve Webb | 533 c831-3 (Link to this contribution) I will not, if the hon. Lady will forgive me, because I am going to try to cover about six topics in...
Glenda Jackson | 533 c845-6 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak in support of the new clause of the hon. Member for West Worcestershire (Harriett Ba...
Iain Duncan Smith | 533 c849-50 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. I welcome the hon. Member for Cumbernauld,...
Harriett Baldwin | 533 c843 (Link to this contribution) I welcome that sensible intervention. I think this will completely transform the landscape. I spoke ...
Teresa Pearce | 533 c843-5 (Link to this contribution) I strongly support the principle of auto-enrolment. As was pointed out by the hon. Member for West W...
Kate Green | 533 c843 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to welcome the hon. Lady's new clause. Does she agree that many people are reluctant or...
Harriett Baldwin | 533 c842-3 (Link to this contribution) That is an excellent point, and I hope we all fervently agree that competition in this area would be...
Anne Begg | 533 c842 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady accept that there might also be a nudge to the pension providers? If they know th...
Harriett Baldwin | 533 c842 (Link to this contribution) I should like to discuss auto-enrolment in general, and new clause 1 in particular. The new clause h...
Jenny Willott | 533 c861 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the hon. Gentleman was not able to be in his place earlier when I explained all that...
Steve Baker | 533 c861 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Member for East Ham (Stephen Timms) set out his misgivings about the Bill. I share so...
Jenny Willott | 533 c860-1 (Link to this contribution) It will not surprise hon. Members to learn that I welcome the Bill. The issue of women's state pensi...
Ian Murray | 533 c861 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way at this late hour on Third Reading. She is making a ve...
Speaker | 533 c862 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sure that the hon. Gentleman is using his iPad very well, but I hope that he will come t...
Steve Baker | 533 c862 (Link to this contribution) The financial context now is quite different from that in previous years. If the Government were not...
Sheila Gilmore | 533 c862 (Link to this contribution) In terms of annual expenditure, I do not disagree with that, but the surplus was so high partly beca...
Steve Baker | 533 c862 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the hon. Lady's point, because she seems to have pre-empted me—as I rewind on my i...
Mark Durkan | 533 c863 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that Government Members, in trying to defend the Bill as it now stands—wit...
Nicholas Dakin | 533 c862 (Link to this contribution) Pensions are one of the great challenges of our age, so it is pleasing that we have been able to ado...
Yasmin Qureshi | 533 c863-4 (Link to this contribution) The Opposition and Government agree on many things in the pensions debate. It was the previous Labou...
Iain Duncan Smith | 533 c851 (Link to this contribution) I think I have explained that. As I said earlier and as the right hon. Gentleman knows well, the acc...
Glenda Jackson | 533 c851-2 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Secretary of State would like to hear what some of the women in my constituency think ab...
Iain Duncan Smith | 533 c851 (Link to this contribution) I think the right hon. Gentleman knows the answer to that question. It is wholly part of the process...
Stephen Timms | 533 c851 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State is explaining why the state pension age needs to be raised and our amendments...
Iain Duncan Smith | 533 c850 (Link to this contribution) Before I give way to the right hon. Gentleman, let me make a small point. I understand why the Oppos...
Stephen Timms | 533 c850 (Link to this contribution) One thing the Opposition are entitled to do is ask the Government to explain why they are doing what...
Stephen Timms | 533 c856 (Link to this contribution) I will gladly give way to a non-Conservative.
Stephen Timms | 533 c854-6 (Link to this contribution) The Bill certainly has some welcome features, as well as some very regrettable, unwelcome features. ...
Iain Duncan Smith | 533 c852-4 (Link to this contribution) After listening to the Opposition tonight, they ought to be. One thing I will be certain to tell the...
David Ward | 533 c857 (Link to this contribution) My parents, and I suspect the hon. Lady's parents, had rationing after the war because the situation...
Sheila Gilmore | 533 c857-8 (Link to this contribution) Rationing, oddly enough, did a lot for people's health and well-being. For some people in Britain at...
Glenda Jackson | 533 c858-9 (Link to this contribution) Regrettably, I was not here for the opening remarks of my hon. Friend the Member for Edinburgh East ...
Anne Main | 533 c859 (Link to this contribution) I struggle to see the hon. Lady's logic in comparing a debt carried over on behalf of the nation for...
Jenny Willott | 533 c856 (Link to this contribution) Is the right hon. Gentleman able to answer the question that was posed by several hon. Members earli...
Stephen Timms | 533 c856-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East answered that question ear...
Anne Main | 533 c859 (Link to this contribution) What does the hon. Lady think that the money we borrow every week pays for? I suggest that it pays f...
Glenda Jackson | 533 c859 (Link to this contribution) I trust that the hon. Lady would allow me to use my own adjectives—““measly”” is not a word that wou...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c783 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend for that very important point. This all bears on the fact that, for all...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 533 c783 (Link to this contribution) Conservative Members may not be able to understand the point my hon. Friend is making, but Labour Me...
Richard Graham | 533 c783 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Gregg McClymont | 533 c782 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way. I am sorry to be able to quote some relevant arithmetic to Conservative Mem...
Anne Begg | 533 c782 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend give way?
Anne Begg | 533 c782 (Link to this contribution) I, too, welcome my hon. Friend to his first outing at the Dispatch Box. Perhaps this exchange has ju...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c782 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend, with her usual sagacity, gets to the heart of the matter. Given that we are talking ...
Lord Sharma | 533 c787 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. He is making a passionate point, and he talks about socia...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c787 (Link to this contribution) I hope that this is better than the previous intervention.
Harriett Baldwin | 533 c787 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way, welcome him to his post and declare an interest also as a...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c787 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to give way to the hon. Lady, who I know is an expert on these issues.
Gavin Shuker | 533 c787 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that, as we talk about billions on one side of the House and billions on t...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c787 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady talks about real money, but the situation is clear: we are proposing £20 billion of sa...
Harriett Baldwin | 533 c787 (Link to this contribution) Eleven billion, that's right. Given the £11 billion commitment that the hon. Gentleman is making, a...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c787-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very good point. The Government are very good at finding money when they want...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c788 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is spot on. Caring is a very important issue in this context. A third of these women ...
Iain McKenzie | 533 c788 (Link to this contribution) That particularly resonates with my constituents in Inverclyde, where over 1,000 women who do not ha...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c788-9 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right. There is no doubt that this is a significant blow to these 500,000 women. ...
Lilian Greenwood | 533 c788 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made the very point that I was going to make. These women are losing out not only...
Jenny Willott | 533 c789-90 (Link to this contribution) This is slightly earlier in the debate than I expected to be called. I will speak briefly on the ame...
Jenny Willott | 533 c790 (Link to this contribution) Later in my speech I will move on to comments that relate to the hon. Lady's point. Capping the sta...
Jenny Willott | 533 c790 (Link to this contribution) I will make some progress first. That problem makes it extremely difficult for small changes to be ...
Jo Swinson | 533 c785 (Link to this contribution) I welcome my neighbour to his first appearance at the Dispatch Box. Given what he has just said abou...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c785 (Link to this contribution) We are clear that we cannot have constant changes in pensions legislation. One of the problems that ...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c785 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the hon. Member for East Dunbartonshire (Jo Swinson), followed by the hon. Member...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c784-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a very important point. If women and men are to work for longer, we have to...
Hywel Williams | 533 c784 (Link to this contribution) There is a further, regional unfairness in relation to the availability of work. If people are to wo...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c784 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes a good point. That is an issue that my right hon. Friend the Member for Croydon ...
Eilidh Whiteford | 533 c784 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way and I share his concern that the principle that t...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c783-4 (Link to this contribution) That bears precisely on the point. We are talking about real women and we must give due credence to ...
Cathy Jamieson | 533 c783 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for giving way and I am conscious that people watching this debate who are af...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c783 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. Let me restate our case. The Bill fails our two tests: first, it fails to give fair...
Lord Sharma | 533 c787 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Alan Reid | 533 c785-6 (Link to this contribution) Having been born in 1954, I need to declare an interest in the debate. The hon. Gentleman has argued...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c786-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. She represents a constituency where many women will be affected, particular...
Baroness Brown of Silvertown | 533 c786 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend's point is well made. The Government's position seems to be based on an assumption th...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c786 (Link to this contribution) To make the position clear to the hon. Gentleman, we are proposing savings of £20 billion. The Gover...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c786 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend again makes a telling point. The Liberal Democrats signed a pledge on tuition f...
Lord Sharma | 533 c792 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes the point that we are not in an ideal world. A large part of the reason why we ...
Jenny Willott | 533 c792-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman tempts me into an area into which I will not follow him. That is an issue for ano...
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c793-4 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Cardiff Central (Jenny Willott). I may touch on some ...
Jenny Willott | 533 c792 (Link to this contribution) We need to focus on what is realistic and affordable. The Bill will affect people's lives, and we ne...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 533 c792 (Link to this contribution) Does not the hand-wringing between 12 months and 18 months, and billions here and there, show the ut...
Stephen Metcalfe | 533 c794 (Link to this contribution) Longevity and extended life expectancy are key to this argument. You point out that longevity is not...
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c794 (Link to this contribution) Certainly for some people it has not, but broadly speaking it is my understanding that it has risen ...
Stephen Metcalfe | 533 c794 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c794 (Link to this contribution) Not at the moment, because I want to set out the three assumptions before I deal with the hon. Gentl...
Hywel Williams | 533 c790 (Link to this contribution) From the tenor of the hon. Lady's remarks, it sounds as though she is satisfied with the concession ...
Jenny Willott | 533 c790-1 (Link to this contribution) I was just going to move on to the fact that, although I am delighted by the changes, in an ideal wo...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c791 (Link to this contribution) I have a very simple question for the hon. Lady. Why take that money from these women?
Jenny Willott | 533 c791 (Link to this contribution) I would be grateful if the hon. Gentleman could clarify to us where the money that he proposes spend...
Anne Begg | 533 c791 (Link to this contribution) Can the hon. Lady explain where the Government are finding the £1 billion that is needed to make the...
Jenny Willott | 533 c791 (Link to this contribution) I am really sorry, but I cannot tell the hon. Lady where the Minister has found the money. I am sure...
Stephen Metcalfe | 533 c791 (Link to this contribution) I am sure we all have great sympathy with the women who have been most adversely affected by the cha...
Jenny Willott | 533 c791 (Link to this contribution) I completely agree. There is strong feeling throughout the House that in an ideal world, none of us ...
Sheila Gilmore | 533 c792 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady not agree that in politics, choices are constantly made, and that there are a num...
Jenny Willott | 533 c792 (Link to this contribution) I completely accept that political decisions are a matter of priorities and choices—all hon. Members...
Harriett Baldwin | 533 c797 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman not welcome, as I do, the additional £25 billion going into the triple...
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c797-8 (Link to this contribution) That issue—how the shift from the retail prices index to the consumer prices index will affect the r...
Sammy Wilson | 533 c797 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is making a powerful point given the current economic circumstances, but we...
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c797 (Link to this contribution) Yes, hence my introduction, when I argued that pensions policy in this country has always been at it...
Hywel Williams | 533 c797 (Link to this contribution) The geographical variation is extremely gross if one adds in people who are economically inactive. T...
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c797 (Link to this contribution) That is an extraordinary variation, and one of the implications is that in order to make good policy...
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c797 (Link to this contribution) That is the concern. Ironically, we are having this debate while the spectre of mass unemployment—as...
Harriett Baldwin | 533 c798 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman not acknowledge that whereas his proposal was to uprate the state pens...
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c798 (Link to this contribution) However, I will give her another chance.
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c795 (Link to this contribution) I recognised the logic of demography and longevity and the need to raise pension ages, but since cea...
Stephen Metcalfe | 533 c795 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to you for giving way for a second time. You said that 19% of men in social class 7 di...
Speaker | 533 c795 (Link to this contribution) Order. May I help the hon. Member for South Basildon and East Thurrock (Stephen Metcalfe)? I follow ...
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c794-5 (Link to this contribution) With respect, I think that what I have to say will be helpful to the hon. Gentleman, and I am sure t...
Steve Webb | 533 c795 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman raises some important issues. I do not think that he was Pensions Minister ...
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c795 (Link to this contribution) I cannot tell the hon. Gentleman how many of those people were still working when they died—although...
Richard Graham | 533 c796 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman has much experience in these matters. However, may I put it to him that the...
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c796 (Link to this contribution) I am bound to say that life expectancy is not 87. On average, a girl born in the UK will live to 82 ...
Jim Shannon | 533 c796-7 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman will share our concerns about last week's unemployment figur...
Pat Glass | 533 c800 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree. The Chancellor has told us that he will not balance the books on the backs of t...
Eilidh Whiteford | 533 c800 (Link to this contribution) Given what we have heard from the right hon. Member for Croydon North (Malcolm Wicks) about the fail...
Stephen Metcalfe | 533 c798 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way. He is making a powerful argument and some ...
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c798 (Link to this contribution) Yes, but I hope that the hon. Lady will consider my point about CPI and RPI, because we are talking ...
Pat Glass | 533 c799 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak on behalf of the hundreds and possibly thousands of women who have contacted me on t...
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c799 (Link to this contribution) My argument is that it is wrong to treat someone who starts work at 15 or 16 equally to someone who ...
Pat Glass | 533 c799 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree. This is just one more Government policy, on top of others that directly affect w...
Debbie Abrahams | 533 c799 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. I, too, have been contacted by hundreds of concerned women i...
Pat Glass | 533 c800 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. This is causing not just anxiety but fear among those women, many of whom have been barr...
Ian Jnr Paisley | 533 c800 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady accept that the pension is one of the few certainties in life and that it is now ...
Pat Glass | 533 c801 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Richard Graham | 533 c801 (Link to this contribution) In a perfect world, everyone would have liked the changes to have gone further, but I believe that c...
Pat Glass | 533 c802 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. We have heard several Members on the Government ...
Richard Graham | 533 c801 (Link to this contribution) I should like to finish answering the previous intervention before I take the next one. I am sure t...
Richard Graham | 533 c800 (Link to this contribution) I will be more generous than the hon. Member for Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East (Gregg ...
Fiona O'Donnell | 533 c801 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his generosity. He might find us ungenerous, but I wonder how many of...
Richard Graham | 533 c801 (Link to this contribution) I have not heard specifically from any of those who originally lobbied me on this issue. No doubt th...
Richard Graham | 533 c800 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to be called to speak in the debate. I welcome amendments 13 and 14, which show that ...
Fiona O'Donnell | 533 c800 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Anne Begg | 533 c804-5 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, and there will be many such examples. Women who hoped that their campaign would move the Go...
Baroness Brown of Silvertown | 533 c804 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that these women will have to use any small amounts of capital they have t...
Anne Begg | 533 c804 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has just made my point for me. Yes, we would feel a lot better, but if we had gon...
Richard Graham | 533 c802 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way on that point. The arguments of the Opposition, who tabled amendments 1 to 7, h...
Richard Graham | 533 c802 (Link to this contribution) I do not believe that that analogy is relevant. As I pointed out earlier to the right hon. Member fo...
Anne Begg | 533 c803-4 (Link to this contribution) The Government's amendments are an admission that they realise, at long last, that they got it very ...
Brandon Lewis | 533 c802 (Link to this contribution) I was in the Chamber when the shadow Minister commented on £1 billion a year being only one thousand...
Richard Graham | 533 c802-3 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely correct. As an American economist once said, ““A billion here, a billio...
Speaker | 533 c807 (Link to this contribution) Order. I think the hon. Lady knows—and the Minister certainly does—that the debate has nothing to do...
Sarah Newton | 533 c805 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is being very generous in giving way. Age UK led the campaign that generated so much ...
Anne Begg | 533 c805 (Link to this contribution) It is not a solution for the 90%, because they will still have to work for an extra year, on top of ...
Harriett Baldwin | 533 c805 (Link to this contribution) Is the Chair of the Select Committee confirming that a pledge to reverse the position, in line with ...
Anne Begg | 533 c806 (Link to this contribution) I may be Chair of the Select Committee, but I am afraid that I have no direct say in what should be ...
Fiona O'Donnell | 533 c806-7 (Link to this contribution) I am genuinely grateful for the opportunity to support the amendment to which my hon. Friend the Mem...
Fiona O'Donnell | 533 c807 (Link to this contribution) I will gladly give way to the Minister.
Steve Webb | 533 c807 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful. We let a lot of things past, but will the hon. Lady clarify one point? She menti...
Sheila Gilmore | 533 c813-4 (Link to this contribution) We had amendments. We tabled amendments that were not a million miles away from those that we are pr...
Sheila Gilmore | 533 c813 (Link to this contribution) The concession made by the Government is, of course, a welcome one. The fact that we are saying that...
Nia Griffith | 533 c811-3 (Link to this contribution) To be perfectly honest, it is disgraceful that the Government are not giving these women enough time...
Kate Green | 533 c808-9 (Link to this contribution) As so much that I agree with and endorse has been said, I am sure I can be very brief. That we have...
Speaker | 533 c808 (Link to this contribution) Order. A number of Members still want to speak, and the Minister also has to respond to the debate. ...
Fiona O'Donnell | 533 c808 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman should be extremely grateful to me for giving way, as he has not had the courtesy...
Gordon Birtwistle | 533 c807 (Link to this contribution) I would have some sympathy for the hon. Lady's cause if she could explain where we might find the mo...
Fiona O'Donnell | 533 c807 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps we can have that conversation another time. The point is that the Government do not have the...
Steve Webb | 533 c817-8 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to support Government amendments 13 and 14 and to ask the House to reject amendment...
Steve Webb | 533 c818 (Link to this contribution) I notice that the hon. Lady dismisses the odd billion here or there again as of no great consequence...
Sheila Gilmore | 533 c818 (Link to this contribution) The Minister wants to make a great deal, and some of his supporters made a great deal, of having ext...
Sheila Gilmore | 533 c815 (Link to this contribution) We are talking about a spending period over 10 years, so it is not equivalent to the budget in a giv...
Brandon Lewis | 533 c815 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady accept that one reason why people were incredulous about some of the suggestions ...
Sheila Gilmore | 533 c815-6 (Link to this contribution) I could not have put it better myself. Another question that the Minister has to answer is whether ...
Fiona O'Donnell | 533 c815 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that those 500,000 women will also be asking, ““Why us? Why not the banks ...
Sheila Gilmore | 533 c814-5 (Link to this contribution) That certainly is such an example. If we are to give people the opportunity of saving for their pens...
Jim Shannon | 533 c814 (Link to this contribution) Under the Labour proposals for auto-enrolment for pensions, protection was given, but under the coal...
Kate Green | 533 c820 (Link to this contribution) I note that the Minister acknowledges that for some women with no other source of income, instead of...
Steve Webb | 533 c819-20 (Link to this contribution) The issue of health is certainly important. Almost all the figures that have been quoted through the...
Eilidh Whiteford | 533 c819 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that although longevity has increased, healthy working life has not kept pa...
Steve Webb | 533 c819 (Link to this contribution) Let me address that directly. What is striking as soon as one looks at the evidence on longevity is ...
Steve Webb | 533 c820-1 (Link to this contribution) As a former Minister, the right hon. Gentleman will know that the figures were published with the Bi...
Malcolm Wicks | 533 c820 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the arithmetic that the Minister has just presented on how his savings have been ...
Hywel Williams | 533 c819 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is making a reasonable case, as ever. I am rather more interested in his justification ...
Steve Webb | 533 c818-9 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Lady knows, the coalition agreement referred to the possibility of raising the state pen...
Susan Elan Jones | 533 c818 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister suggesting that the coalition agreement, which is fundamentally different from what ...
Steve Webb | 533 c828 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Gregg McClymont | 533 c823 (Link to this contribution) This been a very important debate. I thank the Minister for his reply, but he has not satisfactorily...
Steve Webb | 533 c829-30 (Link to this contribution) This is a broad group of proposals relating to private pensions. I shall speak in support of Governm...
Speaker | 533 c828-9 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Steve Webb | 533 c830 (Link to this contribution) I will come on to that, because Opposition amendments 19 and 20 relate to it. As I said in my introd...
Lord Brennan of Canton | 533 c830 (Link to this contribution) Why have the Government decided to raise the level at which auto-enrolment will come in? By their ow...
Steve Webb | 533 c822 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the hon. Lady does not understand what I am saying. I am talking about people who will reach...
Steve Webb | 533 c822-3 (Link to this contribution) The incentive is clear: the providers do not get any money at all unless they help someone into work...
Kate Green | 533 c822 (Link to this contribution) I understand how the Work programme proposes to reward providers, but does the Minister not accept t...
Richard Graham | 533 c780 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman takes us back into the mists of history, but surely today's announcement can be w...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c779 (Link to this contribution) I should like to make a little more progress first. I shall be happy to give way after that. In 200...
Stephen Timms | 533 c839 (Link to this contribution) No, it does not bother me. The people in that kind of employment might well fall into the category t...
Stephen Timms | 533 c840-1 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has a point—the Minister also made that point—which is that if the threshold was ...
Nicholas Dakin | 533 c863 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes the point clearly and soundly. My right hon. Friend the Member for East Ham (St...
Sheila Gilmore | 533 c857 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the politicians who sat in this House when I was born and was growing up in this coun...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c782 (Link to this contribution) I would be delighted to give way to my hon. Friend.
Lilian Greenwood | 533 c790 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the hon. Lady says, but will she explain to the 300,000 women who will have to wait long...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c786 (Link to this contribution) In the event that a modification in the timetable is necessary, and in answer to the questions about...
Richard Graham | 533 c804 (Link to this contribution) I simply want to observe that if any of us went into an operation expecting to lose both legs and a ...
Steve Webb | 533 c820 (Link to this contribution) On the hon. Lady's first point, we have of course taken account of the fact that there will be some ...
Fiona O'Donnell | 533 c822 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister also advise those women of their right to employment and support allowance? Will h...
Glenda Jackson | 533 c859-60 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is plucking fantasies out of the air—fantasies that the Government have been running f...
Gregg McClymont | 533 c787 (Link to this contribution) After the hon. Gentleman's previous intervention, he did not listen to the answer; given that interv...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 533 c786 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that it goes beyond cheek for a Liberal Democrat to question what we might...
Sammy Wilson | 533 c801 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has rightly said that the Government have listened to the case that has been made...
Lilian Greenwood | 533 c809-11 (Link to this contribution) The Minister may feel that he has heard my speech before, as we discussed his Government's plans to ...
Yasmin Qureshi | 533 c816-7 (Link to this contribution) This is an incredibly important stage of the Bill, about which I have received hundreds of e-mails. ...
Subjects
Age Contributions Advisory services Women Finance Fees and charges Employees' contributions Financial services Index linking Workplace pensions Pensions State retirement pensions
Legislation
Pensions Bill (HL) 2010-12
Link
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