Debate on bill on Monday, 23 April 2012, in the House of Lords.
Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill
Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Bill. Consideration of Commons resons and amendments. Lords amendments not insisted on and amendments in lieu agreed to. Lords amendment insisted on. Lords amendments not insisted on and amendments in lieu not agreed to. Committee appointed to draw up reason for insisting on Lords amendment. Reason reported and agreed to. Bill returned to the Commons with amendments and a reason.
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- Parliamentary proceeding
- Reference
- 736 c1556-674
- Session
- 2010-12
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- Ministry of Justice
- Legislative stage
- Commons amendments
- Procedure
- Government defeats
- Commons reasons
- Chamber / Committee
- House of Lords chamber
- Proceeding contributions
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Baroness Northover | 736 c1592 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendment 24 to which the Commons have disagreed for their Reas...
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Baroness Northover | 736 c1592-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, noble Lords gave great attention to this issue in earlier stages. I hope that the discussi...
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Baroness Northover | 736 c1600-2 (Link to this contribution) Let us assume that that person has come to you as a constituency Member of Parliament—I think that i...
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Baroness Northover | 736 c1600 (Link to this contribution) I understand what my noble friend means about getting to that point. I ask him to ask himself how th...
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Baroness Northover | 736 c1602 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend assures me that we will review how this is working and publish the findings. I am su...
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Baroness Northover | 736 c1599-600 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their attention to this very important area and I especially thank...
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Baroness Northover | 736 c1670-1 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness may be right about social workers providing legal advice but I am talking about t...
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Baroness Northover | 736 c1670 (Link to this contribution) It is very straightforward. As I have just said, 96 per cent of current spend on cases is included, ...
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Baroness Northover | 736 c1669 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their very important contributions to this debate. At the beginni...
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Baroness Northover | 736 c1664 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendment 171 to which the Commons have disagreed for their Rea...
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Baroness Northover | 736 c1664-5 (Link to this contribution) Motion J concerns legal aid for children. When the Government undertook their comprehensive review o...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1556 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendment 1 to which the Commons have disagreed for their Reaso...
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Lord Higgins | 736 c1558 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord will allow me, he is saying that great attention has been given to the various iss...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1556-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, today the House has the opportunity to consider the Commons reasons in response to the ame...
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Lord Strathclyde | 736 c1559 (Link to this contribution) The Motion before the House is that we should deal with amendments that have come back from the Hous...
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Lord Alton of Liverpool | 736 c1559 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before leaving that point, it was the Minister who raised the question of procedure and wh...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1559-60 (Link to this contribution) The four interventions, interestingly, have all come from ex-Members of the other place. Motion A a...
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Lord Pannick | 736 c1560 (Link to this contribution) At end insert ““but do propose Amendment 1B as an amendment in lieu”” 1B Page 1, line 5, leave out ...
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Lord Pannick | 736 c1560-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as your Lordships have heard, the amendment that noble Lords approved on Report by a major...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1562 (Link to this contribution) Can the noble Lord explain what this amendment therefore adds to the provisions in the Bill? That is...
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Lord Pannick | 736 c1562 (Link to this contribution) I was coming to that. If the noble Lord will have a little patience, that was the second point made ...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1562 (Link to this contribution) But is not the effect of putting this at the beginning of the Bill precisely what the Minister said—...
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Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 736 c1562-3 (Link to this contribution) I hope I am not jumping the gun, but I do not understand from what the noble Lord has said so far wh...
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Lord Pannick | 736 c1562 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, again jumps the gun. This is the third point that was made ...
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Lord Higgins | 736 c1558 (Link to this contribution) When I was in the other place, we had a very sensible system. If the matter was being filibustered o...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1558 (Link to this contribution) I will leave it to the Opposition to explain fully the introductions that they made to timetabling,
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Lord McNally | 736 c1558 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the debates came to a conclusion in the usual way. I must say that for a parliamentarian o...
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Lord Cormack | 736 c1558 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for that flattering giving way. I point out to my noble friend that it was indeed...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1558 (Link to this contribution) This is an interesting side issue. Anybody who has read the debate in the other place will see that ...
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Lord Cormack | 736 c1558 (Link to this contribution) Will my noble friend give way?
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Lord McNally | 736 c1558 (Link to this contribution) No. Well, I will take one more from him. Carry on.
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Lord Howarth of Newport | 736 c1559 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on the issue of parliamentary procedure, is the noble Lord really happy that the first fou...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1558 (Link to this contribution) The House is not doing itself much service by this, but do go on.
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 736 c1596-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I listened carefully to what the Minister said and I am afraid that I am not satisfied tha...
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Lord Clinton-Davis | 736 c1597 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with what the noble Lord has said. I can remember that many years ago, when I unde...
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Baroness Grey-Thompson | 736 c1595 (Link to this contribution) At end insert ““but do propose Amendment 24B as an amendment in lieu”” 24B* Page 21, line 7, at end...
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Baroness Grey-Thompson | 736 c1595-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister and his team for meeting with me earlier today and also for the lette...
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Lord Pannick | 736 c1592 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, together with the noble and learned Lord, Lord Woolf, and the noble Lords, Lord Hart of Ch...
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Lord Beecham | 736 c1592 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, tempting though it is to regard the notion of an entirely independent civil servant as som...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1591-2 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord's amendments concern the independence of the director of legal aid casework. I am con...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1591 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we now turn to Motion C and to Amendments 3 and 4, tabled by the noble and learned Lord, L...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1586 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has never done that.
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Lord McNally | 736 c1586-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have stated as clearly as I can why the Government and the Commons have put forward thei...
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Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 736 c1587 (Link to this contribution) I am disappointed that the Minister takes that view. As he will know from our previous debates, our ...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1590-1 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendments 3 and 4 and do agree with the Commons in their Amend...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1586 (Link to this contribution) I have never doubted that. It is just that I keep getting nudged when I call someone learned and som...
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Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 736 c1586 (Link to this contribution) Noble Lords are learned if they are in the Supreme Court or have been a Law Officer. Others, regrett...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1586 (Link to this contribution) It also includes former heads of a division.
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Lord McNally | 736 c1586 (Link to this contribution) That helps me a great deal. I shall never refer to the noble Lord, Lord Bach, as learned again.
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Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 736 c1586 (Link to this contribution) I am indeed learned—very learned.
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Lord Carlile of Berriew | 736 c1566-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it would be a great disappointment to your Lordships' House if you were to find that there...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1566 (Link to this contribution) Why should one run that risk? Why should one have applications for judicial review being made based ...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1568 (Link to this contribution) Before using a word such as that, does the noble Lord not agree that there is a constitutional conve...
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Lord Elystan-Morgan | 736 c1568 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the whole exercise of this House examining the reasons given for rejecting an amendment fr...
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Lord Hart of Chilton | 736 c1568 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have supported the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, throughout the process of this Bill. I do s...
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Lord Morris of Aberavon | 736 c1567-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise in support of the noble Lord, Lord Pannick. I am concerned about the reasons given ...
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Lord Carlile of Berriew | 736 c1567 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in a moment; I shall just finish the sentence. If the other place has got its reaso...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1566 (Link to this contribution) I regret that I have to disagree with the noble and learned Lord, Lord Woolf—I very rarely do. Howev...
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Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 736 c1565 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord who moved the amendment as well as the noble Lord, Lord Howarth, and the no...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1566 (Link to this contribution) It says in terms that it must be in accordance with this part. As the Minister has explained, the Bi...
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Lord Woolf | 736 c1566 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord explain how the risk to which he has just referred would be any greater than tha...
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Lord Woolf | 736 c1564-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support what the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, has put before us. Doing my very best, I have...
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Lord Howarth of Newport | 736 c1563-4 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Pannick, for the avoidance of any doubt whatsoever, has made it clear beyond pe...
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Lord Woolf | 736 c1565 (Link to this contribution) No one can anticipate what might happen with regard to the conduct of a particular Lord Chancellor i...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 736 c1565 (Link to this contribution) Given the noble and learned Lord's huge experience in these issues, would he kindly tell the House w...
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Lord Pannick | 736 c1575 (Link to this contribution) I have given way to the noble Lord before. I anticipate that the House is anxious to move on. The Ho...
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Lord Pannick | 736 c1575 (Link to this contribution) I entirely accept the Minister's point that the Bill seeks to identify those subjects for which lega...
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Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 736 c1582-3 (Link to this contribution) Leave out from ““House”” to end and insert ““do not insist on its Amendments 192 and 194 and do agre...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1579-82 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Motion B contains amendments in relation to domestic violence. As I have previously made c...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1579 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendments 2, 194 and 196 to which the Commons have disagreed f...
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Lord Pannick | 736 c1575 (Link to this contribution) The House wants to move on. That part of the 27 minutes which the other place devoted to considerati...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1586 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness—she is learned as well, is she not?
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Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 736 c1583-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I move the amendment standing in my name not in any way to cause anxiety or concern to the...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 736 c1570 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I went to the other place to hear our amendments debated. As I am not a former Member of t...
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Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 736 c1571 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will explain briefly why I do not agree with the amendment. I quite agree with those who...
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Lord Beecham | 736 c1570-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Hart inadvertently stole my opening line about the time we have spent...
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Lord Howarth of Newport | 736 c1572 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister said that financial privilege is not a matter for the Government but for the ...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1571-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a very interesting debate on this. I hope when the noble and learned Lord, Lor...
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Lord Howarth of Newport | 736 c1572-3 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister explain how financial privilege applies in this case? Of course the Bill concerns p...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1572 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Howarth, has wandered—I shall come to some of his comments later—into interesti...
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Lord Pannick | 736 c1574-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this full debate. I am grateful to the Minister ...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1573-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we can go round in circles. The qualification of financial privilege is a matter for the C...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1575 (Link to this contribution) I hate to stop the noble Lord's flow, but he has just put his finger on it. This is not an interim, ...
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Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 736 c1643-5 (Link to this contribution) On 17 April, the Lord Chancellor said to the House of Commons: "““There is no doubt that the present...
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Lord Avebury | 736 c1612-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I join my noble friend Lord McNally in paying tribute to the noble Lord, Lord Alton, who h...
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Lord Morris of Aberavon | 736 c1613 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add my support to the noble Lord, Lord Alton. As constituency MPs, many of us saw cases ...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1613-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, why success fees should be claimed at all by lawyers in this type of case just defeats me....
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Lord Howarth of Newport | 736 c1614 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have no doubt at all about the sincerity of the noble Lord, Lord McNally, and the compas...
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Lord Faulks | 736 c1614-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what was said in the other place about there being some advantage, as the noble Lord, Lord...
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Baroness Grey-Thompson | 736 c1602-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords who have taken part in this afternoon's debate, in particular the noble Lord, Lo...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1606-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we were opening this debate the noble Lord, Lord Alton, intervened to make the very v...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1606 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendment 31 to which the Commons have disagreed for their Reas...
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Lord Alton of Liverpool | 736 c1608-11 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the vote on 15 March on Report, a cross-party group of 18 Members of your Lordships...
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Lord Alton of Liverpool | 736 c1608 (Link to this contribution) Leave out from ““House”” to end and insert ““do insist on its Amendment 31””.
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Lord Clinton-Davis | 736 c1600 (Link to this contribution) However, where someone is incapable of expressing themselves—I remember having to listen to such a p...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 736 c1600 (Link to this contribution) I did not explain myself adequately. I was trying to get across the point that people will not get a...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 736 c1602 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt my noble friend again, but can she tell the House that the review will be un...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1598-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is rather disappointing to have to speak on this subject again. One hoped that the othe...
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Lord Low of Dalston | 736 c1598 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, have grave doubts as to whether a telephone helpline of the kind we are talking ab...
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Lord Wigley | 736 c1597-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 24B improves on the original amendment rejected by another place in that it spec...
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Lord Wigley | 736 c1645 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad to have the opportunity to support the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Bach, a...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1635 (Link to this contribution) If it was so brave, why did he not put his amendment to the vote? That would be the question that I ...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1635 (Link to this contribution) We got the concession that we were seeking.
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Lord Bach | 736 c1636-8 (Link to this contribution) If that was the concession that was sought, it was very poor fare indeed. The reasons why the deal i...
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Lord Low of Dalston | 736 c1639-41 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I supported the amendment tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Doocey, on Report, so I have ...
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Lord Martin of Springburn | 736 c1641 (Link to this contribution) May I interrupt the noble Lord? It is very kind of him to mention me. I support everything that he s...
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Lord Low of Dalston | 736 c1641-2 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord. We are in a happy state of accord. He agrees with everything t...
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Baroness Doocey | 736 c1642-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak in support of Amendment 168B. I share the view of the noble Lord, Lord Bach, that ...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1635 (Link to this contribution) That is absolute rubbish. I say now—I would say it in a speech later—that it is not worthy of the no...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1634-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this House dislikes the Bill. I am referring not only to the 11 defeats and two draws that...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 736 c1627 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can be very brief. There is a belief on this side that Amendment 32 would drive a coach ...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1627-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for my noble friend's support. We should move quickly to a decision on the m...
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Lord Wigley | 736 c1626-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the House of Commons has rejected this amendment on the spurious grounds that it is inappr...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1627 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can be very brief on behalf of the Official Opposition. The Motion that was passed last ...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1634 (Link to this contribution) After ““168A”” insert ““but do propose Amendment 168B as an amendment in lieu”” 168B Page 115, line...
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Lord Wigley | 736 c1628 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened carefully to what the Minister has said in this short debate, but the fact...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1631-2 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendment 168 to which the Commons have disagreed for their Rea...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1625-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Motion F contains Amendment 32, which seeks an exemption from Clauses 43, 45 and 46 for in...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1625 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendment 32 to which the Commons have disagreed for their Reas...
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Lord Wigley | 736 c1626 (Link to this contribution) Leave out from ““House”” to end and insert ““do insist on its Amendment 32””.
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Lord McNally | 736 c1619-20 (Link to this contribution) I think it was the line, ““I want to stop soon”” that provoked my noble friend Lord Higgins to get t...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1620 (Link to this contribution) As far as that is concerned, the setting up of a body in order to get a move on with this was mentio...
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Lord Alton of Liverpool | 736 c1621-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have participated in this debate and in the earlier d...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1618-9 (Link to this contribution) It may not be difficult to prove, and I understand what noble Lords say about that. But there is a h...
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Lord Higgins | 736 c1619 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord agree that the crucial thing we have to decide this evening is whether we should...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1619 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord—I think the whole House will be grateful to him—for shutting me...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1618 (Link to this contribution) Not if there is an abuse, as the noble Lord suggests. If claimants' solicitors in cases which are no...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1618 (Link to this contribution) That may be what the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, would suggest to the Lord Chancellor that ...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1618 (Link to this contribution) Surely it would be for the Lord Chancellor to amend the regulations that he has to make to prevent s...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1618 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord again for calling me the Minister—it is a couple of years, I think, ...
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Lord Faulks | 736 c1618 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord have any basis for saying that other than simply speculating?
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Lord Bach | 736 c1616-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is the Opposition's view that there should be no moneys taken from victims' damages in ...
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Lord Carlile of Berriew | 736 c1615-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Alton of Liverpool, has made a very persuasive case for those who suf...
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Lord Wills | 736 c1616 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the case for this amendment was powerfully made in this House last month and in the other ...
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Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 736 c1670 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness but we have gone over this a number of times. I remember ...
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Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 736 c1670 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I regret to interrupt my noble friend at this time of night, but she mentioned the figure ...
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Baroness Grey-Thompson | 736 c1671-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Northover, for her response and all other noble Lords who have cont...
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Baroness Grey-Thompson | 736 c1666-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment is in my name at this stage. However, it received support from the late Lor...
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Earl of Listowel | 736 c1668 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the noble Baroness in her amendment. I should like to talk about young people le...
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Baroness Hamwee | 736 c1667-8 (Link to this contribution) I shall say a word about one of the items that has been left out of this list: immigration. I am sor...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1661 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that exceptional funding has ever been a specific amount of money and that therefore ...
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Lord Faulks | 736 c1661 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my noble friend for giving way. I wonder whether he can help the House on one ...
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Lord Cormack | 736 c1661-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I felt very sad as I listened to a Minister, for whom I have both affection and respect, f...
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Baroness Grey-Thompson | 736 c1665-6 (Link to this contribution) At end insert ““but do propose Amendment 171B as an amendment in lieu””. 171B* Page 115, line 5, at...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1658 (Link to this contribution) It was never implemented.
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Lord Beecham | 736 c1658 (Link to this contribution) If I understand the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, correctly—he is obviously more conversant with the Acce...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1660-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Higgins, quoted the reason, which states that the amendment, "““would...
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Lord Beecham | 736 c1658-60 (Link to this contribution) I was about to say precisely that. It was never implemented so it is open to the Government to lay r...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1657-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is something ironic in the desire of the noble Lord, Lord Cormack, to maintain legal...
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Lord Higgins | 736 c1657 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may intervene for a moment to ask my noble friend a rather simple-minded questio...
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Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 736 c1657 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very strongly support the amendment. There is a very strong reason for looking at childr...
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Lord Cormack | 736 c1656-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will not detain your Lordships long. This is a simple, precise amendment. It does not co...
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Lord Cormack | 736 c1655 (Link to this contribution) At end insert ““but do propose Amendment 172B as an amendment in lieu””. 172B* Page 115, line 5, at...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1654 (Link to this contribution) That this House do not insist on its Amendments 170 and 172 to which the Commons have disagreed for ...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1649-51 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. We have had the expertise of t...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1648-9 (Link to this contribution) The point is that it is still an appointed House and is an advisory and revisory Chamber. As such, w...
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Lord Low of Dalston | 736 c1648 (Link to this contribution) With respect, in my remarks I said that I had no intention of disparaging other Peers. More than onc...
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Lord Martin of Springburn | 736 c1648 (Link to this contribution) I think that the Minister suggested that for this House to send the amendment back again was against...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1648 (Link to this contribution) Nobody is suggesting that if this House wants to send the amendment back, it is not entitled to do s...
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Lord Martin of Springburn | 736 c1648 (Link to this contribution) That is an opinion of a committee; it is not a convention of this House. The opinion of a committee ...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1647 (Link to this contribution) On the contrary. I am sure that the noble Lord, Lord Bach, is ready to leap to his feet to draw atte...
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Lord Howarth of Newport | 736 c1647 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister therefore confident that there is no waste in the criminal legal aid budget and that...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1647-8 (Link to this contribution) Of course it is deliberate. One of the things about that rather long opening speech is that it is th...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1647 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I am pleased that the Government have done that, but that figure is included in the 8 per cent ...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1646-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when the Government launched their consultative Green Paper on this legislation nearly two...
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Lord Martin of Springburn | 736 c1645-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord has made many very interesting points but, at the end, he said that it woul...
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Lord Faulks | 736 c1569-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be very brief. I supported the predecessor of this amendment as it went through the...
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Baroness Butler-Sloss | 736 c1566 (Link to this contribution) I am no expert in administrative law. However, my recollection is that that requires leave of the ju...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1638-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very pleased to welcome the government amendment in lieu, which follows very closely ...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1632-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments in Motion G would bring the majority of welfare benefit matters back into s...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1620-1 (Link to this contribution) As I made clear in my opening remarks, my noble friend Lord Freud hopes to be able to make a Stateme...
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Lord Bach | 736 c1618 (Link to this contribution) I certainly do not have the experience of the noble Lord in this area of the law, but with the great...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 736 c1618 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister not support my argument that it is better that there should be no success fees at ...
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Lord Beecham | 736 c1668-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, referred to her regret that immigration is not included i...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1654-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Motion contains amendments dealing with clinical negligence. We have debated the issue...
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Lord Elystan-Morgan | 736 c1568-9 (Link to this contribution) It is exactly on the question of constitutional convention that I seek to address this House now. Th...
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Lord Pannick | 736 c1563 (Link to this contribution) The answer to the noble Lord, Lord Lester of Herne Hill, is that we are dealing with a Bill that spe...
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Lord McNally | 736 c1648 (Link to this contribution) It is not. I quoted from the Cunningham committee which held that opinion. There was a point when it...
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