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Energy Bill

I will just finish this point. The noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, made it quite clear that he thought price was the most effective way of changing people's minds and cited the example that no one would disagree with concerning recent price increases in fuel. This is one very important way—do not misunderstand me—but it is important to get it right and we should think of other ways to influence people. I was going to reply to my noble friend, so perhaps he will let me do that, and then I shall give way. He and the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, were concerned about help for householders, and wanted to know what help and information was available. The Energy Saving Trust remains the cornerstone of how we communicate the benefits of energy efficiency and provide information and advice to householders. I repeat that the provision of the Green Homes service with £100 million funding will provide a single point of contact for a home energy audit, plus advice on how to save water, reduce waste, make travelling more green, and how to connect to grants and offers from energy companies. As part of the Green Homes service, from 1 April Energy Saving Trust advice centres in England, Wales and Northern Ireland advise not only on energy but provide tips to householders on waste and water efficiency in the home, and can signpost individuals to specialist organisations to ensure that they receive the highest standard of advice on household waste and water efficiency. It is important for the Committee to realise what that money will be spent on.