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Debate on bill on Monday, 22 October 2007, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Andrews. The answering member was Baroness Hanham.

Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill

Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Lords third reading debate. Agreed to on question. Bill passed and returned to the Commons with amendments. Part 2 of 2 records.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
695 c880-944 
Session
2006-07
Department
Department for Communities and Local Government
Legislative stage
Third reading
Procedure
New clauses
New schedules
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Andrews | 695 c913-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not entirely sure that I can give my noble friend much satisfaction. I feel that I ha...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 695 c914 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand the dilemma my noble friend is in. Am I to interpret what she has said to mea...
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Baroness Andrews | 695 c914 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend is clearly playing devil’s advocate, which is something he can do but is n...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 695 c914 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for dealing with this issue and giving some sort of reassura...
Lord Tordoff | 695 c914 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, were Amendment No. 55 to be agreed, I should not be able to call Amendments No. 56 to 58 b...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c914-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 55: 55: Clause 182, page 129, line 9, leave out from beginning to the end of l...
Baroness Hamwee | 695 c916 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased that the noble Baroness has tabled these amendments. I still have difficulty,...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c916-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we certainly wrestled with this very complicated idea and I did my best to explain the iss...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c919 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that very detailed reply. It is a pity that this legislation does...
Baroness Hamwee | 695 c919 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can the Minister confirm—we had a quick word about this outside the Chamber—that the inten...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c920 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c920 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 59: 59: Clause 221, page 161, line 18, leave out ““a local authority”” and ins...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c919 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can confirm both matters raised by the noble Baronesses. I can certainly give an absolut...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c921 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we debated conflicts of interest at earlier stages of the Bill we talked about the pr...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c921-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 60: 60: After Clause 221, insert the following new Clause— ““Arrangements: pow...
Earl Howe | 695 c920 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this concession by the Government is extremely welcome. I thank the Minister for having ta...
Baroness Neuberger | 695 c921 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for this concession. It has given a considerable amount of relief to ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c923-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 61: 61: After Clause 225, insert the following new Clause— ““Transitional arra...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c923 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I give the noble Earl that assurance. On Question, amendment agreed to.
Baroness Andrews | 695 c893 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 37 and 38: 37: Clause 94, page 64, line 11, at end insert— ““( ) But subsect...
Lord Tyler | 695 c893-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 39: 39: Clause 106, page 71, line 44, at end insert— ““( ) If a responsible lo...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c896-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a refreshing return to some of the fundamental principles in the Bill. I could not...
Lord Tyler | 695 c898-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s comments; she has entirely fulfilled my expectation. She ...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c905 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister very much for the effort that has been put into this matter. We have ...
Lord Greaves | 695 c905 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to ask the Minister a question to clarify something in my mind. Where there is a cr...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c899 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 40: 40: Clause 108, page 72, line 40, leave out ““107(2)”” and insert ““112”” ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c899-900 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I feel that I have answered most of these amendments previously and I try not to repeat my...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c900-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her reply. We may see government officers in a slightly different...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c901-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 49: 49: Clause 121, page 83, line 25, leave out from ““matters”” to end of lin...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 695 c907-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will my noble friend clarify the point about affecting a local area in a bit more detail? ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c908 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, to an extent we are trying to anticipate what the crime and disorder committees will do, a...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 695 c905-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before my noble friend responds to the points that have been made, I should declare an int...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c907 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall start with my noble friend, who speaks as usual with great authority. First, on be...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c905 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I believe that that is the case.
Lord Harris of Haringey | 695 c912-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Harris of Richmond, clearly seeks clarification ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c908-10 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 53: 53: After Clause 125, insert the following new Clause— ““Reference of loca...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 695 c910-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 54: 54: After Clause 126, insert the following new Clause— ““Local authority s...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c908 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 52: 52: Clause 123, page 88, line 19, leave out ““under subsection (6)”” and i...
Baroness Hamwee | 695 c935-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest, to which the noble Lord referred, as a joint president of London Co...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 695 c934-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 66: 66: After Clause 234, insert the following new Clause— ““Payments on loss ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 695 c934 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 65: 65: Clause 230, page 170, leave out lines 2 to 5 and insert— ““(a) guidanc...
Earl Howe | 695 c931-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome these amendments and thank the Minister most warmly for having agreed to them, a...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 695 c931 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 64: 64: Clause 230, page 169, leave out lines 23 to 27 and insert— ““(a) guida...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 695 c933-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I will not lose my voice, at least for a moment so that I can help the House w...
Baroness Neuberger | 695 c933 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I simply want to support the noble Earl, Lord Howe, in what he has said about the monitori...
Baroness Neuberger | 695 c929-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree absolutely with everything that the noble Earl has said. As noble Lords can hear, ...
Earl Howe | 695 c928-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Government and, in particular, the Minister for this welcome amendment, which ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c931 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 62 and 63: 62: Clause 226, page 166, line 15, leave out ““225”” and insert “...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c930-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will take those questions in order; I will have a better chance of answering the last on...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c938-40 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 71 to 78: 71: Schedule 4, page 186, line 22, leave out from beginning to end...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c938 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 70: 70: Schedule 3, leave out Schedule 3 On Question, amendment agreed to. S...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c938 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 69: 69: Clause 242, page 179, line 20, at end insert— ““( ) The following prov...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c938 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 67 and 68: 67: Clause 237, page 177, line 22, leave out from second ““or”” t...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c938 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before we move on, I should like to say a warm ““thank you”” on behalf of the Government, ...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 695 c938 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, should like to thank the noble Baroness and her team for the many hours that we ha...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 695 c937 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, last week, Question Time was dominated by a debate on hornets and I think the nest from wh...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c936-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness is right: it is fitting that we conclude Third Reading not only with an...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c885 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 24: 24: Clause 68, page 47, leave out line 20 On Question, amendment agreed t...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c885 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 23: 23: Clause 66, page 43, line 37, leave out subsection (2) On Question, am...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c885 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 11 to 22: 11: Clause 64, page 38, leave out line 30 12: Clause 64, page 38...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c885 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 9 and 10: 9: Clause 63, page 36, line 7, at end insert ““or”” 10: Clause 6...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c887-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are not wholly against appointed councillors, and we have not been. However, we need to...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 695 c886-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 30: 30: Clause 76, page 55, line 35, after ““appoint”” insert ““not more than ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c886 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 29: 29: Clause 74, page 50, line 26, leave out ““Schedule 5 (new arrangements ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c885-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 25 to 28: 25: Clause 70, page 47, line 40, leave out paragraph (a) 26: Cla...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c885 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 7: 7: Clause 59, page 32, line 19, leave out paragraph (b) On Question, amend...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 695 c890 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to try to make this clear. We do not envisage that appointed councillors wil...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 695 c889-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness. The Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 695 c892 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33: 33: Clause 87, page 61, line 9, leave out from ““aggregating”” to end of l...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 695 c890 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for clarifying the point. Nevertheless, I and my colleagues on ...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c892-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 34 and 35: 34: Clause 87, page 61, line 13, at end insert— ““but the aggrega...
Lord Greaves | 695 c892 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I read these government amendments and thought they were fairly sensible. I could not expl...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c893 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36: 36: Clause 88, page 62, line 4, at end insert— ““(b) references to the alt...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 695 c888-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I can offer the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, the reassurance that she is looki...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 695 c889 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I may clarify that point, the procedure will be negative.
Baroness Hanham | 695 c889 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister sits down, can she clear up a slight confusion over whether these regu...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 695 c882-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope I can reassure the noble Lord. I appreciate that this is the first opportunity we h...
Lord Greaves | 695 c880-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 5: 5: Clause 56, page 29, line 33, leave out ““an appropriate”” and insert ““a...
Lord Greaves | 695 c884-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s response and for the effort that she has made to engage i...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c944 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 80 to 82: 80: Schedule 18, page 243, line 37, column 2, at beginning insert—...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c944 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill do now pass. Moved accordingly, and on Question, Bill passed...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c940-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 79: 79: After Schedule 4, insert the following new Schedule— ““New arrangement...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c937 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, I should like to thank the Minister for her kind comments...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c908 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 50 and 51: 50: Clause 122, page 84, line 1, leave out ““under subsection (6)...
Earl Howe | 695 c923 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, once again, this is a most welcome amendment. I thank the Minister for agreeing to it, and...
Baroness Andrews | 695 c885 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 8: 8: Clause 62, page 35, line 28, leave out subsection (8) On Question, amen...
Subjects
Crime Councillors Administration Health services Health authorities Ethics Local government Misconduct Patients Police Membership Payments Parish and town councils Local government executive Rural areas Mayors Local area agreements Local involvement networks Crime and disorder reduction partnerships
Legislation
Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill 2006-07
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