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Debate on bill on Tuesday, 15 January 2008, in the House of Lords.

Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill [HL]

Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill (HL). Lords report stage first day. Part 1 of 2 records.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
697 c1182-251 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department of Health
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 697 c1249-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these amendments are clearly motivated by the desire to see the rapid translation into pra...
Lord Patel | 697 c1250 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that answer and I thank all noble Lords who have supported the am...
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Earl Howe | 697 c1248 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support the noble Lord, Lord Patel, in the objectives that he is trying to achi...
Lord Patel | 697 c1250 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendment No. 26...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 697 c1250 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course we will certainly continue to have discussions with noble Lords before Third Rea...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 697 c1251 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving the Motion, I sugge...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1244 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 24: 24: Clause 11, page 8, line 28, leave out ““inter-species embryos”” and in...
Lord Patel | 697 c1244 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 25: 25: Clause 11, page 8, line 29, at end insert— ““(b) after subsection (1)(...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1243-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 23: 23: Clause 8, page 7, line 23, leave out ““inter-species embryos”” and ins...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 697 c1248 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. I would like to explain to the House that good manufacturing prac...
Lord Winston | 697 c1248 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the amendment, albeit briefly because of the lateness of the hour. It woul...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 697 c1247 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, warmly support this amendment. I was heavily involved in the discussions on the or...
Baroness Tonge | 697 c1246-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. The major reason for my support is that embryo research has huge ...
Lord Patel | 697 c1244-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, thank you. There are two particular issues of concern. One is related to licence to create...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 697 c1244 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is probably the will of the House that we continue with this amendment. We might not fi...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 697 c1185 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the point just made the noble Lord, Lord Tebbit, about the importance of clarity...
Lord Tebbit | 697 c1184 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to follow the remarks of my noble and learned friend Lord Mackay. Could the ...
Lord Craig of Radley | 697 c1186 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, find the phrase ““human admixed embryo”” confusing. Like other noble Lords, I have...
Lord Williams of Oystermouth | 697 c1185-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I begin by apologising to the House for the fact that I am obliged to leave the Chamber be...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1182-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1: 1: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, leave out ““inter-species embryo”” and insert ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 697 c1201-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Bill seeks to prohibit placing in a woman any embryo, sperm or egg other than a permit...
Lord Patel | 697 c1206-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know where to begin in challenging my noble friend Lord Alton. He makes a case fo...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 697 c1202-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 8: 8: Clause 4, page 4, leave out line 11 The noble Lord said: My Lords, it w...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1202 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 5 to 7: 5: Clause 4, page 4, leave out lines 4 and 5 and insert— ““(a) a hum...
Bishop of Winchester | 697 c1213-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have heard a series of distinguished speeches, which have been hugely educative, but pe...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 697 c1210-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it would take courage for a non-scientist to intervene in this debate. I admit that I am t...
Lord Winston | 697 c1209-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, correct me if I am wrong, but I think it was about five years ago that this House voted ov...
Lord Patel | 697 c1208-9 (Link to this contribution) Or possibly sooner, as my noble friend Lord Winston suggests. Three million people in the United Kin...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1195 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, ““human admixed embryo”” refers to interspecies embryo as defined in the Bill. The confusi...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1195-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3: 3: Clause 1, page 2, line 22, leave out from ““gametes”” to end of line 27 ...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1195 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2: 2: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, leave out ““an inter-species embryo”” and ins...
Baroness Tonge | 697 c1198 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the noble Lord in his amendment. Frequently during the passage of the Bill, I ha...
Lord Patel | 697 c1197-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4: 4: Clause 3, page 3, line 29, at end insert— ““(5A) Regulations may provide...
Baroness Jay of Paddington | 697 c1199 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much hope that my noble friends on the Front Bench in the Government will hear the ...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 697 c1198-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment that my noble friend moved earlier is a development of the amendment which h...
Lord Winston | 697 c1200 (Link to this contribution) The most important group of patients has probably not been mentioned, so perhaps I might mention it....
Lord Walton of Detchant | 697 c1200 (Link to this contribution) This is new and very exciting work, and the amendment would take the issue very much further forward...
Earl Howe | 697 c1200 (Link to this contribution) I agree with noble Lords who have spoken. The noble Lord, Lord Patel, has made a powerful case and I...
Bishop of Winchester | 697 c1194 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know whether I am the only Member of your Lordships’ House who, after this 45 min...
Lord Patten | 697 c1193-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Winston, for his intervention. He has a particular u...
Lord Winston | 697 c1193 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my apologies. The issue then is the viability of these embryos. I would be grateful to put...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 697 c1193 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, forgive me. I believe that noble Lords may interrupt to make a specific point, but they ar...
Lord Winston | 697 c1193 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. He talks at length about an embryo growing...
Lord Patten | 697 c1192-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, noble Lords ask why. The answer is that the Bill has been subjected, quite properly, to lo...
Lord Patten | 697 c1192 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I certainly do not fall into the category of noble and scientific; I fall into the categor...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1194-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the contributions that have been made. I will start with the remark of t...
Lord Tebbit | 697 c1195 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister seems to have glossed over the question that I asked him 40 minutes ago. I do...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 697 c1189-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that what has been said by the noble Lord, Lord Winston, and by my noble friend Lo...
Lord Waddington | 697 c1189 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that many people will feel that I should not intervene, but I am one of many who...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 697 c1190-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are getting into a misapprehension here. I did not believe that we were debating the go...
Countess of Mar | 697 c1190 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can we get back to the nuts and bolts of the amendments? We are talking about changing the...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 697 c1186-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add my voice to the reservations and surprise that have been expressed today. I represen...
Lord Patel | 697 c1188-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this definition. There was much discussion and debate in Committee, and prior to...
Lord Winston | 697 c1187-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I interject briefly on the point raised by the noble Lord, Lord Tebbit? We have alread...
Baroness Jay of Paddington | 697 c1191 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, regarding the terms of these amendments, I am a complete lay person in following the scien...
Baroness Warnock | 697 c1191 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if it were possible to bring the definition of human admixed embryo, to be placed in Claus...
Lord Harries of Pentregarth | 697 c1191-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the Minister think again about a suggestion I made at an earlier stage? Widespread he...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1243 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would be more than happy to reconsider the amendment and bring it back at Third Reading....
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 697 c1243 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful. I had not intended to press the amendment as it is a practical matter of dr...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1241-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay, for his tremendous interest in thi...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 697 c1242-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I ought to have mentioned that we submitted this amendment to Professor Martin Bobrow, the...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1237-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 11 to 15: 11: Clause 4, page 4, line 12, leave out ““an inter-species embryo...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1238-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 16: 16: Clause 4, page 4, leave out lines 22 to 29 and insert— ““(a) an embryo...
Lord Patel | 697 c1240 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very pleased to add my name to the amendment, which I strongly support. I would not a...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 697 c1241 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble and learned friend Lord Mackay has really got his teeth into this one. He did so ...
Lord Patel | 697 c1239 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment—but then I would, wouldn’t I, because I raised this issue in Comm...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 697 c1239-40 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 17: 17: Clause 4, page 4, line 35, leave out paragraph (e) and insert— ““(e) s...
Lord Harries of Pentregarth | 697 c1234 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should say as a matter of fact that appointments to the HFEA are public appointments, wh...
Lord Patten | 697 c1234 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the question I was going to ask the noble Lord, who is a DHSS Minister, was exactly on tha...
Lord Patel | 697 c1234-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have difficulty understanding the purpose of this amendment. I suppose that it might be ...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1235-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these amendments seek to place strict criteria upon the requirements which must be satisfi...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 697 c1237 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I listened very carefully to what the noble Lord, Lord Darzi, said. It was clear from the ...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 697 c1231-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble and right reverend Lord, Lord Harries, pointed out that this is the way in which...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 697 c1232-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the House will be aware that I would obviously have preferred the earlier amendment on pro...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 697 c1233 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to intervene just for two minutes. I have been listening carefully to what has been...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 697 c1233 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have been triggered by the comments of the noble Baroness, Lady Knight, to lay a possibl...
Lord Patten | 697 c1234 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I fully support what was said by the noble Baroness, Lady Williams of Crosby. I will not r...
Lord Winston | 697 c1231 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suppose that it is in part a question of the wording used in the amendment. As the noble...
Lord Winston | 697 c1230-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I fully respect the reasons for this amendment moved by the noble Baroness. I refer to the...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 697 c1231 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord. Surely those are exactly the arguments that one wo...
Lord Harries of Pentregarth | 697 c1228-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not suspect the intentions of the noble Baroness, Lady Williams, but what she propose...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 697 c1229-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my respectful view is that the noble and right reverend Lord, Lord Harries of Pentregarth,...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 697 c1222-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that anyone who doubts the worth or the value of your Lordships’ House will read th...
Lord Tebbit | 697 c1221 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister is not distinguishing correctly between discoveries and the advance of techno...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1222 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that intervention. I was trying to get at limiting scientific discovery ...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 697 c1219-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment before us is one that will close a door to certain forms of research. If we ...
Baroness Barker | 697 c1220-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have two simple points to make that have not been made so far in this debate but which I...
Baroness O'Cathain | 697 c1217 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I tremble to join this debate, but I want to support the noble Lord, Lord Alton. I have be...
Lord Tebbit | 697 c1217-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must say that it is a privilege to have listened to the debate today in this House. I ca...
Baroness Warnock | 697 c1218 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will reply to one point that the noble Lord, Lord Tebbit, has just made. It cannot be sa...
Lord Patten | 697 c1218-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I fully support what the noble Lord, Lord Alton, said and I greatly admire his growing sci...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 697 c1214-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not going to rehearse again the views that I expressed in debate on an earlier amendm...
Lord Rea | 697 c1215 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I listened carefully to the speech of the noble Lord, Lord Alton, and wrote down verbatim ...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 697 c1216-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall address myself to the question raised by the right reverend Prelate about crossing...
Baroness Barker | 697 c1248 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will make just a brief interjection. It is my understanding that the licensing of any th...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1243 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 19 to 22: 19: Clause 4, page 4, line 38, leave out from ““embryo”” to ““and”...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 697 c1184 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a considerable improvement in the drafting of the Bill to make it clear that—as th...
Lord Patel | 697 c1202 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her reply. I am, of course, disappointed; I hoped that we could h...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 697 c1226-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 9: 9: Clause 4, page 4, line 12, at beginning insert ““Subject to sub-paragrap...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 697 c1221 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments seek to prevent the creation, keeping and use of interspecies—or, as we now...
Subjects
Animals Congenital abnormalities Fertility Licensing Human embryo experiments Diseases Genetics Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority Ethics IVF Research Stem cells Human-animal hybrid embryos
Legislation
Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill (HL) 2007-08
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