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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 29 April 2008, in the House of Lords.

Health and Social Care Bill

Health and Social Care Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Schedule 1 agreed to. Clause 2 under consideration. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
701 c1-58GC 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department of Health
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Murphy | 701 c19GC (Link to this contribution) I support the group of amendments. Getting service users and carers involved in the day-to-day pract...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 701 c5GC (Link to this contribution) First, let me address the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, about the scrutiny process....
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Baroness Barker | 701 c13-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 15: 15: Clause 2, page 2, line 8, leave out paragraphs (a) and (b) and insert—...
Baroness Wilkins | 701 c12GC (Link to this contribution) I understood that the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, had moved both amendments, which is why I am conf...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 701 c52GC (Link to this contribution) This group of amendments emphasises the need for human rights considerations in these matters. My mi...
Baroness Barker | 701 c46GC (Link to this contribution) While the Minister considers what the standard parliamentary answer to that kind of argument is, I s...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 701 c35GC (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister finally sits down, I would just like to say why I have been so quiet this aftern...
Earl Howe | 701 c35-6GC (Link to this contribution) I thank all Members of the Committee who took part in this debate, particularly those who spoke in s...
Lord Lipsey | 701 c34GC (Link to this contribution) The amendment in the name of noble Earl, Lord Howe, does not say ““only LINks””. It says, "““includi...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 701 c32GC (Link to this contribution) There is a distinction between an accountability to the host—already defined by the noble Baroness, ...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 701 c22GC (Link to this contribution) Why cannot a lay person inspect every care home? Why cannot we make it mandatory? Why cannot we have...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 701 c18GC (Link to this contribution) I would like to ask the noble Lord, Lord Lipsey, a direct question. Who would decide what was a rema...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 701 c19-20GC (Link to this contribution) I do not come to this debate as a professional in this area; my knowledge is very limited. My experi...
Earl Howe | 701 c20-1GC (Link to this contribution) After those extremely powerful speeches, there is little for me to add, except to say that Amendment...
Baroness Meacher | 701 c22GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 104 does not require lay people to be involved in every inspection, although I think t...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 701 c1GC (Link to this contribution) First, I must make an announcement that if there is a Division during this Sitting, the Committee wi...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c3GC (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister explain to me, a relative novice, how it is possible to advertise a job that has no...
Lord Lipsey | 701 c5-6GC (Link to this contribution) I had rather hoped for more from the Minister. There is a sort of ambiguity about what he said, beca...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 701 c3GC (Link to this contribution) We are appointing a shadow chair with the intention of appointing the chair of the CQC, but I will b...
Lord Warner | 701 c4GC (Link to this contribution) As a Minister when the present incumbents were taking up posts, it might help if I share with the Co...
Lord Low of Dalston | 701 c4GC (Link to this contribution) I put my name to these amendments and I am moved to get to my feet because I have not yet heard anyt...
Earl Howe | 701 c9-10GC (Link to this contribution) My name is attached to Amendment No. 10 and I support everything said a moment ago by the noble Baro...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 701 c10-1GC (Link to this contribution) I add my support to the amendment. I intend to speak to a number of amendments later, but will say j...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c12-3GC (Link to this contribution) I would like to address the Minister’s response to both amendments. I am most grateful for the wide ...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 701 c12GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 11 was an amendment to Amendment No. 10, which you wish to withdraw. Amendment No. 11...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 701 c15GC (Link to this contribution) I advise the Committee that if the amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment No. 16 because of...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 701 c58GC (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until tomorrow at 3.45 pm.
Lord Darzi of Denham | 701 c53-6GC (Link to this contribution) This group of amendments has been tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Stern, on behalf of the Joint C...
Baroness Wilkins | 701 c51GC (Link to this contribution) I strongly support this group of amendments, which is so vital to creating a genuine culture and res...
Baroness Meacher | 701 c46-7GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister said quite a lot about regulations placing duties on providers to deal with complaints ...
Baroness Barker | 701 c43-4GC (Link to this contribution) I should like to make two points which I hope the Minister might pick up in his response. First, the...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 701 c43GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, support these amendments. The complaints procedure has been talked about for years with no s...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 701 c41GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the amendments. I think back to my time in this area when most people who complained...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 701 c34GC (Link to this contribution) There has been a fundamental misunderstanding of this group of amendments in that the responses that...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c32-3GC (Link to this contribution) LINks are accounting to the Secretary of State, so I suggest that the accountability of LINks effect...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c32GC (Link to this contribution) No; the point that I am making is that LINks have their own accountability and that accountability s...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c33GC (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister not agree that this is simply a drafting point and that we could introduce LINks b...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c30-1GC (Link to this contribution) I add my support to the amendments. I was once upon a time on a community health council, when I was...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 701 c27-30GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments tabled by the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and the noble Baroness, Lady Cumberleg...
Baroness Barker | 701 c23GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his agreement to take this away and consider it. I have a couple of points ...
Lord Lipsey | 701 c18GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment proposed by the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, at least as much for what it le...
Baroness Meacher | 701 c15-6GC (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to Amendment No. 27, which is complementary to Amendments Nos. 10 and 11, but goes a...
Lord Patel of Blackburn | 701 c17-8GC (Link to this contribution) I remind the Committee that I have an interest as chairman of the Mental Health Act Commission. I a...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 701 c1GC (Link to this contribution) If that rumour is so, I raise rather a serious issue. Irrespective of any personalities or any indiv...
Lord Lipsey | 701 c1GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 7: 7: Schedule 1, page 111, line 13, at beginning insert ““Subject to sub-para...
Lord Warner | 701 c2GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may follow up the point made by the Baroness, Lady Howarth. I have some concerns as someon...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c3GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to intervene once again, but I need to be clear on this issue. If it is a shadow chair, d...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 701 c3GC (Link to this contribution) We are appointing a shadow chair, not the chair of the CQC. As many noble Lords highlighted at Secon...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c6-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10: 10: Schedule 1, page 111, line 43, at end insert— ““( ) The Commission mus...
Baroness Barker | 701 c3-4GC (Link to this contribution) I wish to add one thing and I do so happy in the knowledge that I have no interest to declare and wi...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 701 c10GC (Link to this contribution) I warmly support the two amendments. A moment or two ago, in response to the noble Lord, Lord Lipsey...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 701 c11-2GC (Link to this contribution) At Second Reading, many noble Lords spoke about the importance of ensuring that patients, people who...
Baroness Stern | 701 c56-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to all Members of the Committee who have supported these amendments so eloquently...
Baroness Greengross | 701 c51-2GC (Link to this contribution) I particularly support the comments of the noble Baroness, Lady Stern. It is relevant to quote to th...
Baroness Stern | 701 c47GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Baroness Greengross | 701 c43GC (Link to this contribution) I support these amendments and should like to make two points. On self-funders, the Minister with re...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 701 c41-3GC (Link to this contribution) I want to make it clear at the outset that I am not referring to the home, which is a BUPA home, whe...
Baroness Murphy | 701 c39-40GC (Link to this contribution) I support these amendments. In particular, I support the comments of my noble friend Lady Stern on t...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c33GC (Link to this contribution) I attempted to answer those points when I said that the commission will have to account for the whol...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 701 c32GC (Link to this contribution) I refer to the letter that I received from my noble friend Lord Darzi, in which he states quite clea...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c31-2GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that nothing will be over the dead body of the noble Baroness. This group of amendments seek...
Earl Howe | 701 c23-5GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 16: 16: Clause 2, page 2, line 8, after ““public”” insert ““(including in part...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c25-7GC (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Earl. I start from the premise that the Minister is not responsible for the past...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 701 c22GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the noble Baroness’s clarification of the amendment. We have also sought to ensur...
Lord Lipsey | 701 c19GC (Link to this contribution) Presumably, the commission will have to have regard to the Bill and give instructions as to what is ...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 701 c21-2GC (Link to this contribution) The amendments in this group all seek to establish a more general duty for the commission to involve...
Lord Lipsey | 701 c2GC (Link to this contribution) I may have misled the Committee. I meant to say that they had the right man or woman in their sights...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 701 c2-3GC (Link to this contribution) I would like to update the Committee on the progress of the recruitment exercise for the shadow chai...
Lord Lipsey | 701 c2GC (Link to this contribution) I take the point. I beg to move.
Baroness Wilkins | 701 c8-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 10, Amendment No. 11: 11: Schedule 1, line 10, at end inse...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 701 c11GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the amendment. My experience in the health service and in social care is that people...
Viscount Simon | 701 c58GC (Link to this contribution) The Committee stands adjourned until tomorrow.
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 701 c53GC (Link to this contribution) As I said earlier, there is a big difference between ““may”” and ““shall””. I wholly agree with what...
Baroness Barker | 701 c52-3GC (Link to this contribution) At this hour, I do not want to prolong the discussion; much has already been said. I have two points...
Lord Low of Dalston | 701 c49-51GC (Link to this contribution) I support this group of amendments moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Stern. Collectively, these amen...
Baroness Stern | 701 c47-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 19: 19: Clause 2, page 2, line 16, at end insert— ““( ) the need to improve th...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 701 c46GC (Link to this contribution) Would it not be better to use the word ““shall”” instead of ““should””? There is a big difference be...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 701 c44-6GC (Link to this contribution) This group of amendments focuses on the role of the new commission in ensuring that providers handle...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c34GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is being slightly unfair. I did not say that anything would be secret: I said that e...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c36GC (Link to this contribution) As a new innovation, I beg to move that the Committee do now adjourn until 5.57 pm. Moved according...
Baroness Stern | 701 c36-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 18: 18: Clause 2, page 2, line 11, at end insert— ““( ) the extent to which co...
Baroness Meacher | 701 c37-9GC (Link to this contribution) I speak to Amendments Nos. 50 and 58 and, on behalf of the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, who is unfort...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c33GC (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister find no merit at all in the argument of the noble Lord, Lord Harris, about seeing ...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c33-4GC (Link to this contribution) This is not a drafting point. We do not particularly want LINks to be the only body that is named wh...
Baroness Wilkins | 701 c30GC (Link to this contribution) I strongly support the case made by my noble friend, the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and the noble Barone...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 701 c23GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my noble friend’s intervention. As I have previously said, I am sympathetic to the...
Subjects
Complaints Disability Care homes Carers Health services Human rights Inspections NHS Patients Pay Public appointments Public participation Patients' rights Mental health services Standards Social services Care Quality Commission Local involvement networks
Legislation
Health and Social Care Bill 2007-08
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