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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 3 June 2008, in the House of Lords.

Housing and Regeneration Bill

Housing and Regeneration Bill. Lords Committee stage third day. Clauses 2 to 10 agreed to. Schedule 2 agreed to. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
702 c1-60GC 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department for Communities and Local Government
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Pitkeathley | 702 c33GC (Link to this contribution) May I clarify whether the noble Lord has moved Amendments No. 51A and 53A?
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c19GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 49A comes from the same thinking as that of my noble friend, and would amend Clause 6 ...
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Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 702 c20GC (Link to this contribution) I do not intend to enter the debate on Amendment No. 43, not least because I shall be providing the ...
Lord Greaves | 702 c25-6GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for the care and attention that the Minister has given to these matters. I am afr...
Earl Cathcart | 702 c14-5GC (Link to this contribution) That was a very good debate and I thank those who have supported the amendment. I was very intereste...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c16-7GC (Link to this contribution) I shall deal with Amendment No. 36 first. It is grouped with the other amendments tabled by the nobl...
Earl Cathcart | 702 c1-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27: 27: Clause 2, page 2, line 3, at end insert— ““( ) In assessing the needs ...
Earl Cathcart | 702 c41-2GC (Link to this contribution) That was a very long and useful debate. On the first amendment on eco-towns, no doubt the Minister r...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c56GC (Link to this contribution) What I said is that if the HCA wants to sell at a lower than market price to a local authority becau...
Earl Cathcart | 702 c26-31GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 51: 51: After Clause 7, insert the following new Clause— ““Obligations of the ...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 702 c33GC (Link to this contribution) Let us stick with the first one. Amendment No. 51A has been moved as an amendment to Amendment No. 5...
Lord Greaves | 702 c33GC (Link to this contribution) I have moved the first one, and perhaps the second one if that is what I have to do, as an amendment...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 702 c33GC (Link to this contribution) I would like to speak to Amendment No. 51.
Baroness Andrews | 702 c20-5GC (Link to this contribution) This series of amendments is challenging. I hope I can do justice to the high expectations of Member...
Baroness Byford | 702 c14GC (Link to this contribution) Would the Minister like to reflect on his earlier comment when he said that this is a ““digression””...
Lord Best | 702 c4-6GC (Link to this contribution) I have the privilege of going first in support of the sentiments behind the amendment. This is not a...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 702 c10-1GC (Link to this contribution) I was evacuated during the war but, if I am allowed to count my grandmother staying on in London dur...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 702 c47GC (Link to this contribution) I rise with my conscience on my sleeve. I played no role whatever in the Commons Bill and I am there...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c44GC (Link to this contribution) I shall try to ensure that we do exactly that.
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c44GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 702 c43-4GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness responds, I have a question on which the Minister is entirely entitled to ...
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c42-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 53B: 53B: Clause 9, page 4, line 6, at end insert ““in a specific case”” The ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c57GC (Link to this contribution) The local authority would in any event have to value its assets, so I do not see why it should not b...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 702 c57GC (Link to this contribution) I am terribly sorry to come in at this stage, but my noble friend is putting an important point. The...
Lord Greaves | 702 c57GC (Link to this contribution) Can we have a letter about this so we can understand it? I can go on asking questions all night, but...
Baroness Ford | 702 c58GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may make a suggestion to my noble friend. We are going down a route that may not lead us t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c57-8GC (Link to this contribution) I suspect that it is something on which the Audit Commission would issue guidance, rather than the G...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c60GC (Link to this contribution) This is a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until tomorrow at 3.45 pm, when we shall be...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 702 c33GC (Link to this contribution) We need to deal with the amendment to the amendment first.
Baroness Andrews | 702 c33GC (Link to this contribution) I will deal with Amendment No. 51A very briefly, because the noble Lord did not make a great meal of...
Lord Greaves | 702 c33GC (Link to this contribution) I have to say that I think that this procedure is odd because I thought that we just dealt with the ...
Baroness Ford | 702 c19-20GC (Link to this contribution) I support Amendment No. 43, because the phrase, "““do anything it considers appropriate””," is far ...
Viscount Eccles | 702 c19GC (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether there is a conflict between Clause 3 and the provisions in Clauses 48 to 50. The HC...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c20GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Greaves, has picked up a point that I made at Second Reading about the powers o...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c14GC (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Baroness did not understand my use of the word ““digression””. I took this to...
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c15-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 35: 35: Clause 2, page 2, line 17, leave out ““or”” and insert ““and”” The no...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c11-4GC (Link to this contribution) This debate has been a long and interesting digression on rural housing. I have heard a lot of wisdo...
Lord Greaves | 702 c16GC (Link to this contribution) I have a brief amendment in this group. I cannot imagine that this group will take us more than an h...
Baroness Ford | 702 c51-2GC (Link to this contribution) I also support these amendments. Will my noble friend the Minister take this away and have a look at...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 702 c53GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend, who moved Amendment No. 55, and the noble Baroness, who moved Amendment No. 55A, ma...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c54-6GC (Link to this contribution) This has been a very useful debate, and I am grateful to all participants, who have been very helpfu...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c49-50GC (Link to this contribution) I thought that I had dealt with that in my first response. For the ease of the Committee and to try ...
Lord Greaves | 702 c50GC (Link to this contribution) We are obviously interested in the outcomes and want to be satisfied about them. On that basis, I be...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c50-1GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 55: 55: Clause 10, page 4, line 31, at end insert ““, provided that in exercis...
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c51GC (Link to this contribution) I have Amendment No. 55A in this group, which seeks to define ““best consideration””, in that it sho...
Lord Greaves | 702 c49GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for what the Minister said, and I look forward perhaps to having some correspondence w...
Lord Greaves | 702 c44-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 54: 54: Clause 9, page 4, line 16, at end insert— ““( ) In the case of acquisi...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c40-1GC (Link to this contribution) I do not know. We have been asked this question. Because we do not require a return to be made withi...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c37-8GC (Link to this contribution) This has been a long, complex debate because the amendment addressed three different but related iss...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 702 c38GC (Link to this contribution) I look forward to that process, but is the noble Baroness saying that she does not yet know whether ...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 702 c60GC (Link to this contribution) The Committee stands adjourned until Wednesday 4 June at 3.45 pm.
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c58-9GC (Link to this contribution) It strikes me that the Minister may be more comfortable about the general consent than some of the r...
Lord Greaves | 702 c31-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 51, Amendment No. 51A: 51A: After Clause 7, line 5, after ...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 702 c33GC (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord now withdraw his amendment to the amendment?
Lord Greaves | 702 c18-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 43: 43: Clause 3, page 2, line 33, leave out ““do anything it considers approp...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 702 c25GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, and the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, who will presumably respo...
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c25GC (Link to this contribution) It might depend on how many hot towels are handed out to travellers on London transport. As regards ...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 702 c16GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 36 is in this group. If it is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment No. 37.
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c17-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am obviously grateful for that conclusion. Amendments Nos. 36 and 41 are in the group partly becau...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 702 c8-10GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister will be well aware that it ain’t easy and any solution to a problem—it is a problem—wil...
Baroness Byford | 702 c6-7GC (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend’s amendment. In some ways there is very little to add to what the noble Lo...
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c7-8GC (Link to this contribution) No one would argue with the sentiments that have been expressed. I made a note of a couple of things...
Lord Greaves | 702 c52-3GC (Link to this contribution) I have Amendments Nos. 56 and 57 in this group, as an attempt to provide examples of the sort of cir...
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c53-4GC (Link to this contribution) Since we are in Committee, I wonder whether I can come back on something. I have found some notes. T...
Lord Greaves | 702 c49GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful. I think that the answer is if you get a dispute about your village green, you should ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c49GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Greaves, made this point. I am quickly scanning through the clause. I am sure t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c47-9GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, this is an interesting point. Perhaps we should fast forward to 1970 and the great Great Bentle...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c49GC (Link to this contribution) My general understanding is that if a compulsory purchase order is used to buy land that is designat...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 702 c46-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Amendment No. 65 is grouped with my noble friend’s amendments, and I concur with all his points. ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c43GC (Link to this contribution) We resist these amendments, but for good reasons which I shall explain carefully. The first amendmen...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c44GC (Link to this contribution) I have a feeling that this is a debate that has raged many times in your Lordships’ House in many pe...
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c44GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that I will get into the subject of views. I am grateful for the Minister’s offer. I ...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c38-40GC (Link to this contribution) I will check the first point. On the other point, of course local involvement counts. All the respon...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 702 c40GC (Link to this contribution) Of the Minister’s 75 per cent, what is the current gardens figure?
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 702 c35-6GC (Link to this contribution) I thoroughly support the amendment proposed by my noble friend Lord Cathcart, and I should like to a...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c36-7GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may throw one more thought into this discussion on which the Minister may care to comment....
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 702 c33-5GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment moved by the noble Earl, Lord Cathcart—in particular, the first part of it d...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 702 c33GC (Link to this contribution) I am also doing what I am instructed to do.
Lord Greaves | 702 c33GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment No. 51A, as an amendment to Amendment No. 51, by l...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c58GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for her helpful intervention. I was coming to that point. We are very con...
Lord Greaves | 702 c56GC (Link to this contribution) I understand what has been said about general consent, which is very useful, but I am not clear abou...
Lord Greaves | 702 c57GC (Link to this contribution) How do you put that kind of monetary value on a park or piece of open space, a community centre or s...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c59-60GC (Link to this contribution) It has been a useful and enjoyable debate, if only because I have my noble friend Lord Brooke advisi...
Subjects
Community development Compulsory purchase Common land Brownfield sites Housing Land Leisure Infrastructure Land use Gardens Facilities Floods Local government Powers Property transfer Planning Property development Prices Transport Roads Regeneration Greenfield sites Eco-towns
Legislation
Housing and Regeneration Bill 2007-08
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