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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 4 June 2008, in the House of Lords.

Housing and Regeneration Bill

Housing and Regeneration Bill. Lords Committee stage fourth day. Clauses 11 to 17 agreed to, with clause 13 agreed to as amended. Schedules 3 and 4 agreed to. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
702 c61-110GC 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department for Communities and Local Government
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 702 c61-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 58: 58: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Duty of the Homes ...
Baroness Ford | 702 c65GC (Link to this contribution) I support the spirit of the amendment proposed by the noble Baroness, but urge my noble friend to re...
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Baroness Andrews | 702 c80GC (Link to this contribution) In the spirit of the Government wanting to be secure and safe and to make provision as and when it m...
Lord Greaves | 702 c70-1GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 61 in this group is in my name. It would insert the words: "““The HCA shall ensure tha...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c92-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Amendment No. 70 is in this group. I shall come to it when I have risen to the fly so deftly flic...
Lord Greaves | 702 c88GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that this correspondence will go to the whole Committee because it is on some fascinating stu...
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c91GC (Link to this contribution) Initially, it was a matter of the five boroughs working together. It is now, certainly, the ODA. Ori...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c85GC (Link to this contribution) I do not know what the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, is going to say but I think that the noble Lord, Lo...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c109GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 71: 71: Clause 13, page 6, line 14, at end insert ““and”” On Question, amendm...
Lord Haskel | 702 c61GC (Link to this contribution) If there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Committee will adjourn as soon as th...
Lord Greaves | 702 c64-5GC (Link to this contribution) moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 58, Amendment No. 59: 59: After Clause 10, line 18, leave ...
Lord Greaves | 702 c81-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 66A: 66A: Schedule 4, page 169, line 33, leave out paragraphs 16 to 27 The no...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c80GC (Link to this contribution) That begs another question. If it was not necessary to make the regulations then, is it actually nec...
Lord Greaves | 702 c80GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister’s comments. She tells us that the provisions here are modelled on pre...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c75-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend Lady Whitaker for identifying an interest that I should declare: ha...
Baroness Whitaker | 702 c75GC (Link to this contribution) I share the concern of the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, and the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, about the ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 702 c73GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 62: 62: Schedule 3, page 158, line 22, leave out paragraphs 3 to 18 The noble...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c78-9GC (Link to this contribution) One way of avoiding this problem would be if the Homes and Communities Agency simply did not purchas...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c66GC (Link to this contribution) We could go backwards and forwards on this one. Theoretically, brownfield land has had some form of ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 702 c69GC (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend Lord Greaves for his helpful amendment. I do not disagree with any noble Lor...
Baroness Whitaker | 702 c71GC (Link to this contribution) I support both amendments on similar arguments to those of my noble friend Lord Howarth, that these ...
Lord Greaves | 702 c97-8GC (Link to this contribution) I understand that perfectly fair point. It is equally fair to say that if a local authority is to ge...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 702 c98-9GC (Link to this contribution) I add very briefly to what my noble friend Lord Cathcart said on eco-towns and local authorities’ vi...
Baroness Ford | 702 c97GC (Link to this contribution) The point that I was trying to make, although I may have failed, was not just about the quantum of p...
Earl Cathcart | 702 c94-5GC (Link to this contribution) I have two points to make here, the first of which is perhaps a bit pernickety. Clause 13(1)(a) says...
Baroness Ford | 702 c95-6GC (Link to this contribution) I shall just make a few comments to follow on from the interesting point raised by the noble Viscoun...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c93-4GC (Link to this contribution) As I was saying before I was so rudely interrupted, I will pick up on one other thing that the noble...
Baroness Ford | 702 c91-2GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for that. I am sorry that the noble Lord, Lord Mawson, is not in his plac...
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c88-90GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 67: 67: Clause 13, page 5, line 10, leave out ““The Secretary of State”” and i...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 702 c87GC (Link to this contribution) There is a moment in the Mad Hatter’s tea party where Alice is offered some more tea and she says, “...
Lord Greaves | 702 c86GC (Link to this contribution) That is an interesting question. This issue will not be resolved today; we shall have to go away and...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c85GC (Link to this contribution) I beg to differ. The noble Lord’s own party put this in place when it passed the Leasehold Reform, H...
Lord Greaves | 702 c108GC (Link to this contribution) I am glad to have some slight confirmation that I have my uses coming to these meetings because some...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c110GC (Link to this contribution) I suggest that the Committee stand adjourned until next Tuesday at 3.30 pm.
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c65-6GC (Link to this contribution) It is possible to argue that there are two aspects of this. One is the provision of allotments and t...
Baroness Ford | 702 c79GC (Link to this contribution) The only circumstances in which the HCA might find itself in possession of a burial ground are becau...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c82GC (Link to this contribution) I have some sympathy with the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, but, more importantly, Part 3 of this schedu...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c79-80GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to put this on the record and particularly grateful for that last ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c82-4GC (Link to this contribution) The amendment would remove the ability of the Secretary of State and the appropriate Minister to ext...
Lord Greaves | 702 c78GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that detailed reply. I am not sure that I understood all of it straightaway, but I...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 702 c72-3GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply, and for looking again at the Commons Act. We certainly apprecia...
Lord Greaves | 702 c73-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Amendments Nos. 63 and 64 are in the group. I shall speak first to Amendment No. 64, which is mor...
Lord Greaves | 702 c78GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 64A: 64A: Schedule 3, page 162, line 3, leave out paragraphs 19 to 26 The nob...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c66-8GC (Link to this contribution) That was an excellent short debate. I am grateful that the noble Baroness has created an opportunity...
Baroness Ford | 702 c66GC (Link to this contribution) I would have considerably more sympathy for that point of view were it not for the fact that the Nat...
Baroness Hamwee | 702 c106-7GC (Link to this contribution) With regard to taking out the reference to the Planning Act 2008, we would argue only if we thought ...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 702 c108GC (Link to this contribution) I shall be extremely brief. The noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, referred to Amendment No. 70 as being b...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c102-6GC (Link to this contribution) The chances of that happening are so small that I can reassure the Committee that it would be a reci...
Viscount Eccles | 702 c94GC (Link to this contribution) If your market share is falling, you are likely to move to the area where the market share is increa...
Viscount Eccles | 702 c87GC (Link to this contribution) There have been a few occasions in this Committee when things have been modelled on previous legisla...
Baroness Ford | 702 c90-1GC (Link to this contribution) I shall try to respond to some of the thoughtful points made by the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee. Whe...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c85GC (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Lord needs to look at the matter in this way. Clearly, development issues are...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c86GC (Link to this contribution) Can I ask the noble Lord a question and make a point? I can see that he has become quite exercised b...
Lord Greaves | 702 c86GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister has taken the words out of my own mouth. I was going to suggest exactly that, and I am ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c84GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lord Eccles is right. I have been trying to work out whether this part of the Bill p...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c109-10GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 72: 72: Clause 13, page 6, line 15, leave out from ““2004,”” to end of line 16...
Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 702 c110GC (Link to this contribution) The Committee stands adjourned until Tuesday 10 June at 3.30 pm.
Lord Howarth of Newport | 702 c65GC (Link to this contribution) I underscore briefly one point made almost in passing by the noble Baroness, Lady Miller. She allude...
Lord Greaves | 702 c81GC (Link to this contribution) It is not the Government who might want to make this provision but the HCA, which is a large nationa...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c80GC (Link to this contribution) I can answer the noble Lord’s question; that is very surprising, I know. The prescribed requirements...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 702 c78GC (Link to this contribution) I completely concur with my noble friend. There is a strong parallel between the way that a local au...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c71-2GC (Link to this contribution) Two important debates have also been raised on these amendments. I am very happy to reply and to giv...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 702 c69-70GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 60: 60: Schedule 3, page 157, line 19, at end insert— ““( ) In carrying out it...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 702 c69GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw Amendment No. 58. Amendment No. 58, by leave, withdrawn. Clause 11 agreed ...
Lord Greaves | 702 c69GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw Amendment No. 59. Amendment No. 59, as an amendment to Amendment No. 58, by...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 702 c70GC (Link to this contribution) I endorse the spirit of the amendment. The noble Baroness is to be congratulated on hitting on an ex...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c108GC (Link to this contribution) This puts me in an awkward position because the noble Lord has drawn our attention to an anomaly in ...
Lord Greaves | 702 c107-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 68A: 68A: Clause 13, page 5, line 13, leave out paragraph (b) and insert— ““(b...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 702 c100GC (Link to this contribution) I take it then that ordinary people are not involved in the consultations at all. Under that definit...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c100-1GC (Link to this contribution) We can impose the statutory requirement to consult only on designated agencies. I think it means the...
Lord Greaves | 702 c102GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think anyone in the Committee is saying that when a local authority asks for help, there sh...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c99-100GC (Link to this contribution) This is an important part of the Bill and an important debate. I shall try my very best to feel my w...
Lord Greaves | 702 c96-7GC (Link to this contribution) One of the problems, of course, is that one person’s failure is another person’s alternative policy ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c87GC (Link to this contribution) That is a fair point. When we try to demonstrate that there are no hidden add-ons, we will look at h...
Lord Greaves | 702 c86-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am suggesting that 1993 was a roll-forward from previous legislation. If I am wrong about that, I ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 702 c87GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord qualifies on both grounds.
Viscount Eccles | 702 c84GC (Link to this contribution) If the HCA and the statutory undertaker come to an agreement, then there is no need to involve the S...
Baroness Andrews | 702 c108-9GC (Link to this contribution) How can anyone dispute that? The anomaly in the Bill has been inherited from the powers of the curre...
Lord Greaves | 702 c109GC (Link to this contribution) I cannot argue with that. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [...
Subjects
Companies Compulsory purchase Cemeteries Brownfield sites Allotments National landscapes Housing Land Land use Green belt Local government Planning permission Planning Property development National parks Unadopted roads Waiting lists Transport Utilities Rights of way Regeneration Homes and Communities Agency
Legislation
Housing and Regeneration Bill 2007-08
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