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Debate on bill and Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Tuesday, 12 January 2010, in the House of Commons.

Personal Care at Home Bill

Personal Care at Home Bill. Committee stage debate. Clauses 1 and 2 debated and agreed to. New clause 5 debated and withdrawn. Bill reported, without amendment. Third reading debate. Agreed to on question and Bill passed. [Relevant documents: The uncorrected transcripts of oral evidence taken before the Health Committee on 3 December 2009 and 7 January 2010, on Social care, HC 22-iii and iv.]

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
503 c563-657 
Session
2009-10
Department
Department of Health
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Third reading
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Deposited Paper DEP2010-0307
Tuesday, 12 January 2010
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Deposited Paper DEP2010-0308
Tuesday, 12 January 2010
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Social care. Evidence 3 December 2009. (Vote)
Thursday, 3 December 2009
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Proceeding contributions
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c656-7 (Link to this contribution) Of course I have an appreciation of that, but I would like the Secretary of State to consider how he...
Laura Moffatt | 503 c657 (Link to this contribution) I do not care where the Bill was born or who dreamt it up; I am just extremely glad that I have stuc...
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Stephen Dorrell | 503 c642 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his patience in giving way, but he again spoke about people with t...
Phil Hope | 503 c642 (Link to this contribution) We go around the same arguments that we have been having all afternoon. The right hon. Gentleman fai...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c640-1 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 42, page 2, line 27, at end insert—
Phil Hope | 503 c641-2 (Link to this contribution) The reluctance of the Opposition to support this Bill was obvious on Second Reading and today. The a...
Phil Hope | 503 c642 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in one moment, but I was thrown quotes criticising the Bill, and I am going to throw...
Phil Hope | 503 c635 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that response. I think that it is right that local authoriti...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 503 c636 (Link to this contribution) Order. When the hon. Gentleman has completed his remarks, we will deal with the mechanics. He can tr...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c636 (Link to this contribution) I am clear, Sir Michael, that I can, thankfully, trust the Chair to do just that. It is important t...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c642 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has said several times that the Bill concentrates money on those with the greatest care...
Andy Burnham | 503 c656 (Link to this contribution) I am listening carefully to the right hon. Gentleman and I have great respect for the work that he d...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c655-6 (Link to this contribution) I begin a brief speech by congratulating the Minister on the way that he dealt with the Bill. He put...
Tom Clarke | 503 c655 (Link to this contribution) I think that I have listened to every speech and contribution made today, and I have found them extr...
Norman Lamb | 503 c654-5 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State shakes his head, but the impact assessment makes that clear. At paragraph 5.2...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c651-2 (Link to this contribution) For a relatively small group of people across the country who are struggling at home with a high lev...
Norman Lamb | 503 c652-4 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for South Thanet (Dr. Ladyman). I absolutely agree with h...
Phil Hope | 503 c648-9 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. This is a small Bill containing just one s...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c649-51 (Link to this contribution) H.G. Wells famously once said:""In England we have come to rely upon a comfortable time-lag of fifty...
Phil Hope | 503 c643 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman simply continues to dig himself into a bigger hole. The question before the...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c643-4 (Link to this contribution) This is slightly depressing. The Government have chosen to discuss what they regard as a prime minis...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c604 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for allowing me to intervene. He is making a very imp...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 503 c604 (Link to this contribution) Yes, indeed. Over the past few years, in my ministerial capacity, I have been able to try to resolve...
Phil Hope | 503 c604-6 (Link to this contribution) Members have raised a range of issues, and I shall try to deal with them all. Amendment 13 would lim...
Greg Mulholland | 503 c606 (Link to this contribution) That certainly goes some way towards reassuring me, but will the Minister be specific? Once an indiv...
Phil Hope | 503 c606-7 (Link to this contribution) It will be a standardised assessment tool described in regulations and guidance. There will still ne...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c607 (Link to this contribution) This has been a useful group of amendments for extracting some helpful information—not least that we...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c607 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 15, page 1, line 20, at end insert—
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 503 c608 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss amendment 48, page 2, line 4, at end insert—
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c608-9 (Link to this contribution) The purpose of amendment 15 is to probe again the £250 million efficiency savings on which this Bill...
Greg Mulholland | 503 c609-10 (Link to this contribution) In many ways these amendments go to the heart of the Bill and its core problems. The Prime Minister ...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c630-1 (Link to this contribution) That might well be the case if the person for whom care and support was needed was the cause of the ...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c630 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's aim is laudable, and I can understand it, but if a local authority were to dela...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c630 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is obviously carefully thinking through the way in which this will operate, and I...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c624 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister has said, additional data collection of some nature will have to be done. The scale ...
Tom Clarke | 503 c624 (Link to this contribution) Only at the end of the debate was reference made to the cost of the bureaucratic set-up for local au...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c624 (Link to this contribution) This is a very important group of amendments, because we have been discussing the preparedness of th...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c629-30 (Link to this contribution) My reading of this amendment is slightly different to that of the hon. Gentleman. Will he help me? P...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c628-9 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 17 would remove new subsection (4C) and amendment 18 would change the word "undergoing" to...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 503 c628 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: amendment 18, page 2, line 1, leave out 'u...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c628 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 17, page 1, line 21, leave out from beginning to end of line 2 on page 2.
Phil Hope | 503 c632-5 (Link to this contribution) This is an important group of amendments. The policy that underlies the measures in the Bill has two...
Greg Mulholland | 503 c632 (Link to this contribution) That is a fair point; clearly, such a mechanism would need to be built in. There are sometimes conce...
Phil Hope | 503 c631 (Link to this contribution) I want to respond to the debate—I am disappointed that nobody else wanted to contribute—
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 503 c631 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for making that point, but we will return to it when we have fin...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 503 c631 (Link to this contribution) Order. Does the hon. Gentleman wish to contribute? ...With the greatest of respect, I am not a mind ...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c632 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's amendment gives the impression that any letter signed by a GP and giving the ef...
Greg Mulholland | 503 c631-2 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Sir Michael. I think that I was as confused as you were by the lack of anybody who wanted...
Greg Mulholland | 503 c635 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that explanation, in which he has made it clear that the Government's inten...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c620-1 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend and I are not the only ones who think that there is a serious argument to be an...
Lord Redwood | 503 c619 (Link to this contribution) : Does my right hon. Friend believe there is a serious chance that the legislation will be struck do...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c618-9 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Eddisbury (Mr. O'Brien) on tabling the amendments and a...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c614-8 (Link to this contribution) I will expand slightly on that point as I proceed, because it is a bit fine-grained and quite techni...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c613-4 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 31 and 27 stand in my name, while the Liberal Democrats spokesman, the hon. Member for Le...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 503 c612 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: amendment 27, page 2, line 16, at end inse...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c612 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 31, page 1, line 20, at end insert—
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c612 (Link to this contribution) I am very glad that the Minister felt able to seek to rebut the criticisms of his calculations and w...
Phil Hope | 503 c610-2 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 15 would effectively exclude local authorities from the duty to provide free personal care...
Phil Hope | 503 c623 (Link to this contribution) I think that everything has been set out. I have set it out here. It has been set out in the memoran...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c622 (Link to this contribution) If that is the argument on which the Government will rely, why did they not set it out in the impact...
Phil Hope | 503 c623 (Link to this contribution) Nothing has been rushed out from the Box. One might argue that it could have been, but no doubt ther...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c623 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his patience. That is exactly my point. It was not set out in the ...
Phil Hope | 503 c622 (Link to this contribution) I shall address the issues presented through the amendments. First, let me be clear on amendment 31 ...
Greg Mulholland | 503 c621-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall try to keep my comments brief because I am conscious that time is running out, and I am keen...
Phil Hope | 503 c622 (Link to this contribution) The key thrust of the Bill""is to enable, support and encourage more people to avoid or delay enteri...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c622 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister confirm that the Government's own impact assessment states that the number of peop...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c621 (Link to this contribution) Wanless proposed a variety of different funding mechanisms, but the truth is that neither major part...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c621 (Link to this contribution) I was not going to comment, but I will now because the right hon. Gentleman has gone into party poli...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 503 c563 (Link to this contribution) In view of the selection of amendments to clause 1—the only substantive clause—I am not minded to al...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c563 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 9, page 1, line 7, leave out from 'in' to end of line 8 and insert—
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 503 c563 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss amendment 10, page 1, line 8, at end insert—
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c563-4 (Link to this contribution) The background to this Bill is the fact that social care provision is currently means and needs-test...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c565 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the hon. Gentleman recognises that amendment 9 is a probing amendment. Quite genuinel...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c564 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way at this early stage in his speech. Somebody livin...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c565 (Link to this contribution) Given the way in which the amendments have been selected and the Chairman's strictures at the outset...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c566 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to my right hon. Friend, whose expertise and experience in this area are mat...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c566 (Link to this contribution) Do not the two interventions that my hon. Friend has just taken illustrate a rather broader point th...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c575 (Link to this contribution) I certainly was not trying to be disingenuous. The legislation that is being amended says that the G...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c574 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is making some important points, but will he reconsider his statement that ...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c575 (Link to this contribution) The Minister says that of course it will, but I challenge the Government on that. If the direct paym...
Robert Syms | 503 c575-6 (Link to this contribution) I am generally in favour of one-clause Bills, and most of us have sat in Committees considering Bill...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c575 (Link to this contribution) I genuinely listen to what the hon. Gentleman has to say, and I recognise that he has knowledge in t...
Phil Hope | 503 c577 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to be taking the Bill through its Committee stage on the Floor of the House. In address...
Norman Lamb | 503 c576-7 (Link to this contribution) May I pursue briefly the point raised by the right hon. Member for Charnwood (Mr. Dorrell) with rega...
Lee Scott | 503 c577 (Link to this contribution) May I emphasise, as other hon. Members have done, that it is vital that whatever pressures are put o...
Norman Lamb | 503 c572 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is right to point out the large number of people who are excluded from this...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c572-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is entirely right, because of course the cost of even this limited pledge is sign...
Robert Syms | 503 c573 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a very important point. He also raises the issue of whether the provision...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c573-4 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. If, as I profoundly hope given all the pressures on public expenditure, we are not going...
Norman Lamb | 503 c574 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman makes a very good point about the danger of a partial solution changing beh...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c574 (Link to this contribution) The difference is that my party is committed to moving quickly to the development of a total solutio...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c574 (Link to this contribution) May I take my right hon. Friend back to the difficulties that he rightly outlined about the definiti...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c574 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his comments, and I agree with him. What is clearly illustrated ...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c574 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c574 (Link to this contribution) I shall look forward to putting my question to the Minister, but I shall give way one more time.
Greg Mulholland | 503 c570-1 (Link to this contribution) Although I am pleased that we are having the Committee stage of a Bill on social care, I must begin ...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c569 (Link to this contribution) I can probably find common cause with the hon. Member for Eddisbury (Mr. O'Brien) in certain respect...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c570 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman not missing the point? We all agree that the desirable developments being deba...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c567-8 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the right hon. Gentleman has been listening—well, he has obviously been listening, but I...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c572 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Eddisbury (Mr. O'Brien) on his amendment, and not becau...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 503 c571 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Member for South Thanet (Dr. Ladyman) should not presume a degree of censoriousness ...
Greg Mulholland | 503 c571 (Link to this contribution) I thank you for that, Sir Alan. The hon. Member for South Thanet (Dr. Ladyman) is entitled to his op...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c571 (Link to this contribution) The definition of personal care is already very thoroughly covered in existing legislation, which is...
Greg Mulholland | 503 c571 (Link to this contribution) That is the hon. Gentleman's opinion, and he is—
Tom Clarke | 503 c603 (Link to this contribution) This has been an interesting debate. I want, if I may, to focus on the aspects that have dealt with ...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 503 c604 (Link to this contribution) I want briefly to follow my right hon. Friend the Member for Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill (Mr....
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c601-2 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is right: we should have an open mind on what the right model is going to b...
Greg Mulholland | 503 c602-3 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak briefly to new clause 5, which proposes:""The Secretary of State shall make regulati...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c598 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 13, page 1, line 17, leave out
Phil Hope | 503 c596-7 (Link to this contribution) We will have to have that debate when we bring forward our proposals for a national care service. Th...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c597 (Link to this contribution) I wish that the Minister would not assume anything about other people's policies without having stud...
Phil Hope | 503 c597-8 (Link to this contribution) That is even more intriguing. We are seeing the policy crumble as the hon. Gentleman speaks. There ...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c598 (Link to this contribution) The debate has been useful and necessary to help elucidate what we are all trying to achieve—a much ...
Laura Moffatt | 503 c601 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend envisage such a trust working in the way in which some of the very good, effecti...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c600-1 (Link to this contribution) I am rather sad to hear the hon. Member for Eddisbury (Mr. O'Brien) saying that this is a probing am...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c601 (Link to this contribution) I agree with quite a lot of what the hon. Gentleman says about the benefits that can come from integ...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c601 (Link to this contribution) Yes, absolutely. There are already good examples around the country of older people's trusts being s...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c598-600 (Link to this contribution) I confirm that amendments 13 and 16 are probing amendments, the former about what the discretion in ...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 503 c598 (Link to this contribution) With this we may take the following: amendment 16, page 1, line 20, at end insert—
Robert Syms | 503 c594-5 (Link to this contribution) I have no great disagreement with amendment 11. I have thought about it, asked a few friends about i...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c595 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way. In the light of the contributions made by him and ot...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c593 (Link to this contribution) I have been very grateful. I want to put a point to the right hon. Gentleman on which I think we can...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c593-4 (Link to this contribution) It is worth inviting the House to work out how long it is since Northern Rock or the Lehman Brothers...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c593 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to the hon. Gentleman one more time, but I think that I have given him enough lives...
Phil Hope | 503 c596 (Link to this contribution) We are, of course, seeking to develop our proposals for the creation of a national care service. We ...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c596 (Link to this contribution) The Green Paper stated that free personal care was an unaffordable option. Is that still the Governm...
Phil Hope | 503 c595-6 (Link to this contribution) We have had an interesting debate on this amendment. My hon. Friend the Member for South Thanet (Dr....
Robert Syms | 503 c595 (Link to this contribution) That is useful information, although I may call the vote myself. I think that amendment 12 is usefu...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c590 (Link to this contribution) I reaffirm again that I agree that a form of co-payment has to be made. I regret that we have had to...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c590 (Link to this contribution) With respect to the Minister, I did not say that we are in favour of a direction of travel that prov...
Norman Lamb | 503 c591 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that this approach provides not only a perverse incentive, as he...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c590-1 (Link to this contribution) As I have said, I have great respect for the hon. Gentleman in this area, but I do not understand th...
Lee Scott | 503 c591 (Link to this contribution) The Select Committee on Health, on which I am honoured to serve, is examining this area and taking e...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c591 (Link to this contribution) I agree completely with the hon. Gentleman, and I sought to focus on that point in our debate on the...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c591-2 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely with my hon. Friend that all the work of the Health Committee and, indeed, of those...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c592 (Link to this contribution) I wish to clarify again for the right hon. Gentleman the point I was trying to make. Because the Con...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c592 (Link to this contribution) I invite the hon. Gentleman simply to consider the point that I have just made: what will be the con...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c592-3 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way before he moves on from his quite proper r...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c593 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend and repeat the point that I made in my earlier response. It is odd to sa...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 503 c587 (Link to this contribution) Before I call the next speaker, let me point out that although there are clearly serious matters at ...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c586-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman, partly because what he suggests is relatively flattering....
Tom Clarke | 503 c586 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has been extremely generous in giving way. His point in response to my hon. Frien...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c589 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Eddisbury (Mr. O'Brien) on being the first Minister of ...
Greg Mulholland | 503 c588;503 c588-9 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that anyone could disagree with what has been said by the hon. Member for South Thane...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c588 (Link to this contribution) I believe the hon. Gentleman; millions wouldn't. As I have said, there is some common ground betwee...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c588 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to put on record that some of us had been working on it for about three years. We were ve...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c590 (Link to this contribution) Like the right hon. Gentleman, I have a long memory on these subjects, and I agree with him that the...
Phil Hope | 503 c590 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman says that everybody agrees that providing free personal care for people in ...
Tom Clarke | 503 c589 (Link to this contribution) I am listening very carefully to the debate, and my mind keeps going back to any number of discussio...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c585 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an outstandingly good point, and that is precisely why we have been so concerne...
Norman Lamb | 503 c584 (Link to this contribution) To pursue the point raised by the hon. Member for South Thanet (Dr. Ladyman), does the hon. Member f...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c583-4 (Link to this contribution) Aside from the enjoyable little tail to that question, which I am absolutely sure deserves a job, I ...
Robert Syms | 503 c585 (Link to this contribution) I would like to bring my hon. Friend back to amendment 12, which is excellent. I thought that its dr...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c584-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman fully accepts, I think, that although the Secretary of State, in his current role...
Robert Syms | 503 c583 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point, but one of the problems with providing free personal care i...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c581-2 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 11 and 12 are intended to allow secondary legislation to stop the six-week restriction on...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c583 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important observation. I do not wish to underestimate the importance of this...
Laura Moffatt | 503 c585 (Link to this contribution) I am listening carefully to the hon. Gentleman, but is he not trying to have it both ways? I would l...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c586 (Link to this contribution) I do not think for a second that anyone in the House seeking to develop or implement policy responsi...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c581 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 11, page 1, line 10, after 'apply', insert—
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c580-1 (Link to this contribution) The debate has been extremely helpful and constructive in bringing out precisely what the amendments...
Phil Hope | 503 c580 (Link to this contribution) We will discuss issues to do with local authority discretion under subsequent amendments, so I will ...
Norman Lamb | 503 c580 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for clarifying that narrow point. However, should there not be an enti...
Phil Hope | 503 c578-80 (Link to this contribution) First, it is social care, not medical care, that is being provided. The hon. Gentleman's phraseology...
Simon Burns | 503 c577-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. On a point of information, if the Bill were to become ...
Phil Hope | 503 c577 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to give way, but I should like to start to address the amendments.
Phil Hope | 503 c577 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to stray from the amendments, but the hon. Gentleman is right to say that a number of ...
Norman Lamb | 503 c577 (Link to this contribution) Is it not the case, though, that a significant proportion of those people whom the Minister identifi...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 503 c581 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss amendment 12, page 1, line 13, at end insert—
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c567 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful. The hon. Gentleman is quite right that the words we use in this place matter greatly,...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c566-7 (Link to this contribution) I want to ensure that the hon. Gentleman is not inadvertently misleading the Committee, as he has sa...
Tom Clarke | 503 c567 (Link to this contribution) I have the feeling that we may have more time than the hon. Gentleman thinks; I cannot recall a clau...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c614 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has had the benefit of reading some papers that I have not read. Did I hear him right...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c575 (Link to this contribution) With respect, I think that the hon. Gentleman is being disingenuous. My recollection is that the six...
Joan Humble | 503 c565 (Link to this contribution) Just to be helpful, I want to continue the discussion about extra care housing, which is referred to...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c587;503 c587-8 (Link to this contribution) I think there is some common ground between the hon. Member for Eddisbury and me. I agree that this ...
Stephen O'Brien | 503 c635-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister, who sought to address a number of issues that we raised in relation t...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c570 (Link to this contribution) I understand the purpose of the probing amendment, but I would be less worried had the shadow Secret...
Stephen Dorrell | 503 c596 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister for giving way. I asked him a very simple question, and I listene...
Stephen Ladyman | 503 c583 (Link to this contribution) I support the idea behind the hon. Gentleman's statement that what we ultimately need is a comprehen...
Subjects
Community care Capital rules Chronic illnesses Fees and charges Human rights Eligibility Home care services Means-tested benefits Sheltered housing Social services
Legislation
Personal Care at Home Bill 2009-10
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