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Estimates day on Wednesday, 10 March 2010, in the House of Commons, led by Kevin Barron. The answering member was Baroness Merron.

Alcohol

Supplementary estimates 2009-10. Second estimates day (part one). Motion that, for the year ending with 31 March 2010, for expenditure by the Department of Health— (1) further resources, not exceeding £969,893,000, be authorised for use as set out in HC 257, (2) a further sum, not exceeding £606,272,000, be granted to Her Majesty out of the Consolidated Fund to meet the costs as so set out, and (3) limits as so set out be set on appropriations in aid. Question deferred. Resolved.

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2009-10
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Proceeding contributions
Robert Syms | 507 c331 (Link to this contribution) Did the price put the hon. Gentleman off?
Bob Spink | 507 c332 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a lot of sense. Does he agree that the standardised labelling for alcoh...
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John Grogan | 507 c362 (Link to this contribution) The Minister mentions below-cost selling; would banning such selling be a possible first measure?
Anne Milton | 507 c354-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. I certainly meant no offence to him in not mentioni...
Stephen Hesford | 507 c354 (Link to this contribution) I do not mind not being mentioned in the hon. Lady's tour d'horizon of hon. Members' speeches. My sp...
Philip Davies | 507 c351 (Link to this contribution) That is how much alcohol companies spend on sports sponsorship. Presumably, if the right hon. Gentle...
Kevin Barron | 507 c312 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention, and I hope that the hon. Member for Westbury (Dr. Murr...
Baroness Merron | 507 c362 (Link to this contribution) It is too early to be drawn on an exact response, but I want to assure my hon. Friend that we unders...
Lord Redwood | 507 c362 (Link to this contribution) When both parties tackled the problem of drink-driving, we attacked the drivers and said that their ...
Baroness Merron | 507 c363-4 (Link to this contribution) What I am sure the Chancellor knows about are all matters Scottish in this connection, but I will ce...
Kevin Barron | 507 c365-6 (Link to this contribution) I am indeed, Mr. Deputy Speaker. With the leave of the House, I want to thank all the people who ha...
Anne Milton | 507 c365 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. I wanted to leave this intervention to the end, because I wante...
Baroness Merron | 507 c365 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not accept that. My whole speech has been devoted to the improvement of public health. This...
Speaker | 507 c365 (Link to this contribution) Order. I shall call the right hon. Gentleman to speak as the Chair of the Committee, but he is aware...
Jim McGovern | 507 c344 (Link to this contribution) While my hon. Friend is on the subject of Scotland, I appreciate that I came in at the end of the sp...
John Grogan | 507 c343 (Link to this contribution) A couple of years ago, I suggested that Sir Terence Leahy was in danger of becoming the godfather of...
Stephen Hesford | 507 c343 (Link to this contribution) Tesco is in favour of minimum pricing. I do not think there could be a better illustration of the po...
Stephen Hesford | 507 c338-9 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to gainsay that, but the Irish experience should also be considered. A ban was introdu...
Pete Wishart | 507 c338 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has suggested that the numbers of deaths made the House legislate for the smoking...
Stephen Hesford | 507 c339-40 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend, but it is more sophisticated than that, as the price rise is aimed at those ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c339 (Link to this contribution) To reinforce my hon. Friend's point, I studied and taught economics, so I know about a thing called ...
Pete Wishart | 507 c340-2 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Wirral, West (Stephen Hesford), and I really hope that th...
John Grogan | 507 c342-3 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Perth and North Perthshire (Pete Wishart). I wi...
Pete Wishart | 507 c342 (Link to this contribution) Of course I will not give way to the hon. Gentleman. He has only just arrived. What he should do is ...
Jim McGovern | 507 c347 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman mentioned the nanny state earlier, but Scotland is becoming something of a dictat...
Philip Davies | 507 c347 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman. My problem is that those are the sort of measures that his Governme...
Philip Davies | 507 c347 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. I commend to him much of the speech of the hon. Member for Leeds, North-Wes...
Pete Wishart | 507 c344 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman must be really bemused by being caught up in this Scottish episode of the debate....
John Grogan | 507 c344 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the vigorous debate that is clearly happening within the Labour party. I also suggest that...
David Hamilton | 507 c344 (Link to this contribution) The question in Scotland is not whether there is a health issue—there is no argument about that, as ...
John Grogan | 507 c344 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, any worthwhile system of minimum pricing must apply the minimum price to units o...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 507 c346-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a typically robust contribution to this important debate. Does he agree tha...
Philip Davies | 507 c346 (Link to this contribution) I do not intend to detain the House for long. Let me start by apologising to you, Madam Deputy Speak...
John Grogan | 507 c344-6 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can conclude this section of my speech by saying that the hon. Member for Leeds, North-Wes...
Speaker | 507 c344 (Link to this contribution) Order. May I remind hon. Members that interventions should be brief?
Kevin Barron | 507 c351 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman tell us what sports would lose between £150 million and £200 million, if he ...
Kevin Barron | 507 c351 (Link to this contribution) I think the hon. Gentleman is talking about one sport. I remember this argument being brought up yea...
Philip Davies | 507 c350 (Link to this contribution) Yes, indeed, and that was folly as well, but I am afraid that that is one element of the nanny state...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c350 (Link to this contribution) The classic argument used by tobacco and cigarette producers was that advertising was intended not t...
Philip Davies | 507 c350-1 (Link to this contribution) There are long-term trends, and what is reducing smoking is not the ban on advertising brands, but t...
Jim McGovern | 507 c350 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that there seems to be no evidence to suggest that since the smoking b...
Philip Davies | 507 c348-9 (Link to this contribution) Those arguments have gone: we are debating alcohol now. I have a great deal of time and respect for ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c347 (Link to this contribution) It is clear that the hon. Gentleman and I come from polar opposite positions, but he is making the c...
Philip Davies | 507 c349 (Link to this contribution) I am incredibly sympathetic to the point that the hon. Gentleman makes, because the duty is excessiv...
David Hamilton | 507 c349 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree with my hon. Friend the Member for Selby (Mr. Grogan) and the early-da...
Anne Milton | 507 c353-4 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the Health Committee Chairman, the right hon. Member for Rother Valley (Mr. Barron). ...
Richard Taylor | 507 c352 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way again. Tobacco and alcohol are entirely different. I would...
Philip Davies | 507 c352-3 (Link to this contribution) I am incredibly grateful, because there we have the first member of the Health Committee to break ra...
Philip Davies | 507 c352 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes my point for me; I am grateful to him. I would never suggest that he or any...
Richard Taylor | 507 c352 (Link to this contribution) I wonder if the hon. Gentleman knows the good that the ban on smoking in public places has done. The...
Philip Davies | 507 c352 (Link to this contribution) I apologise, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for being drawn into the right hon. Gentleman's sedentary intervent...
Speaker | 507 c352 (Link to this contribution) Order. Interventions, as the right hon. Member for Rother Valley (Mr. Barron) knows, must be made fr...
Philip Davies | 507 c352 (Link to this contribution) I have read the report. Let us—
Philip Davies | 507 c351 (Link to this contribution) The people who have studied the proposal, which the right hon. Gentleman's Select Committee seemingl...
Speaker | 507 c334 (Link to this contribution) Order. Can we keep some order in this debate and show some responsibility? I understand the points t...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c334 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I like to think that I am behaving in an orderly fashion, but I can...
Richard Taylor | 507 c334-7 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Luton, North (Kelvin Hopkins), because nobody could e...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c333 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. The Americans use wording that I have mentioned before to the hon. Lady—so I will not go...
Philip Davies | 507 c333 (Link to this contribution) Why does the hon. Gentleman insist that the vast majority of my constituents, who are perfectly mode...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c333 (Link to this contribution) Sometimes politicians have to take a responsible stand and argue the case. If anybody says to me, "I...
Bob Spink | 507 c337 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman might be aware of the Confiscation of Alcohol (Young Persons) Act 1997, which gav...
Richard Taylor | 507 c337 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that, and of course I agree with him. The parents must be told. I approv...
Stephen Hesford | 507 c337-8 (Link to this contribution) I speak as yet another member of the Health Select Committee. I should like to echo the praise of my...
Greg Mulholland | 507 c319 (Link to this contribution) What a very odd request from a member of the Scottish National party—to insist that I, a proud Engli...
Pete Wishart | 507 c318 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right to expect me to intervene at this point. If he agrees with minimum prici...
Greg Mulholland | 507 c319 (Link to this contribution) That is precisely why neither politicians nor the chief medical officer should say that they know th...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c319 (Link to this contribution) I am slightly concerned about the hon. Gentleman's suggestion that politicians should not decide tho...
Greg Mulholland | 507 c318 (Link to this contribution) Of course, and I was expecting to do so.
Pete Wishart | 507 c318 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Greg Mulholland | 507 c318 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Rother Valley (Mr. Barron). I congratulate the ...
Derek Twigg | 507 c315 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not being here at the start of my right hon. Friend's interesting speech. From talki...
Kevin Barron | 507 c316-7 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely. Any parents in this day and age who are giving their children cans or bottles of a...
Sandra Gidley | 507 c317 (Link to this contribution) The Committee took evidence showing that in Southampton Tuesday is the night for students to go out ...
Kevin Barron | 507 c317-8 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. I understand that some of those promotions are coming to an end, and quite right too, in my ...
Graham Stringer | 507 c322 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is talking about criminal justice solutions. During the passage of the Licensing ...
Greg Mulholland | 507 c322 (Link to this contribution) I do not know where the right hon. Gentleman gets that idea from, because I have not said for a mome...
Kevin Barron | 507 c321-2 (Link to this contribution) The reason for vertical drinking establishments is to increase profits. The hon. Gentleman said that...
Greg Mulholland | 507 c321 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that my hon. Friend is disagreeing with me. Perhaps she does not like my suggesting t...
Sandra Gidley | 507 c321 (Link to this contribution) I hate to disagree with my hon. Friend, but a lot of the evidence that the Committee took showed tha...
Greg Mulholland | 507 c320-1 (Link to this contribution) Again, that proves my argument. Hon. Members think that through minimum pricing they have the soluti...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c320 (Link to this contribution) We have already heard that beer consumption is falling, so breweries are suffering because people ar...
Howard Stoate | 507 c320 (Link to this contribution) Surely the hon. Gentleman accepts that Parliament decides—in fact, the Chancellor decides—on alcohol...
Greg Mulholland | 507 c320 (Link to this contribution) Once again, the hon. Gentleman proves my point precisely. He is quite right about the effect on the ...
Kevin Barron | 507 c319 (Link to this contribution) I am very pleased that the hon. Gentleman agrees with the Committee about introducing a minimum pric...
Greg Mulholland | 507 c320 (Link to this contribution) We do, indeed, but I am not quite sure what point the right hon. Gentleman is trying to make. My poi...
Pete Wishart | 507 c311-2 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the right hon. Gentleman and his Committee on producing a consensual, constructive re...
Kevin Barron | 507 c310-1 (Link to this contribution) May I begin, Mr. Speaker, by saying how much I welcome the opportunity to take part in this debate? ...
Andrew Murrison | 507 c312 (Link to this contribution) How does the right hon. Gentleman reconcile the fact that alcohol is relatively cheap in France, yet...
Kevin Barron | 507 c312 (Link to this contribution) The Health Committee is designated to consider England and Wales, not the devolved Assemblies. What ...
Kevin Barron | 507 c313 (Link to this contribution) I was about to move on to precisely that issue. I understand that some industrial white cider, which...
Kevin Barron | 507 c314-5 (Link to this contribution) There is great detail on that in our report. The Committee did not talk only to the drinks industry ...
William Cash | 507 c314 (Link to this contribution) Has the right hon. Gentleman decided not to consider the question of advertising because this is an ...
Kevin Barron | 507 c313-4 (Link to this contribution) Yes. From the evidence that we took, I think it is called front-loading. Many years ago, when I was ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c313 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way yet again. On the problem of supermarkets versus pubs, t...
Greg Mulholland | 507 c312 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for sharing the Committee's interesting report with us. Will he cla...
Kevin Barron | 507 c312 (Link to this contribution) In part, the answer is cultural and I will come on to that, as we need to consider it. However, we w...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c312 (Link to this contribution) On the price of alcohol, 40 or 50 years ago the death rate from alcohol in France was quite appallin...
Kevin Barron | 507 c313 (Link to this contribution) That is in the report, and I will deal with it later in my speech if the hon. Gentleman will allow m...
Graham Stringer | 507 c313 (Link to this contribution) I am following my right hon. Friend's analysis closely. I am not sure whether it leads me to the sam...
Kevin Barron | 507 c333-4 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend think that the unreconstructed Member for Shipley (Philip Davies) would have don...
Robert Syms | 507 c329-30 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Chairman for that point. The internet is where the worst examples can be found,...
Kevin Barron | 507 c329 (Link to this contribution) I did not talk about advertising in my speech, but I received an email today related to that issue. ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c331-2 (Link to this contribution) I certainly thought about having more than one, but by nature I am a person of moderation, although ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c332-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right, and I will come to that point soon. This week, the Herald Scotland rep...
Howard Stoate | 507 c330 (Link to this contribution) When I was last in Washington on a Select Committee inquiry, I was refused alcohol on the grounds th...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c331 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is obviously very youthful looking. No one challenged me, I have to say, but other st...
Anne Milton | 507 c331 (Link to this contribution) I know a little bit about Canada, which has quite vicious laws on alcohol. Instead, it has a signifi...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c331 (Link to this contribution) I cannot comment on that as I know nothing about cannabis, never having used it. I know that others ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c330 (Link to this contribution) It is obvious that Britain has a serious and growing alcohol problem, and successive Governments hav...
Greg Mulholland | 507 c323-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend; I indeed support that approach. From a health point of view, I also think th...
Sandra Gidley | 507 c322-3 (Link to this contribution) I take my hon. Friend's point about education in schools; unfortunately, many young people think tha...
Greg Mulholland | 507 c322 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman raises an important point. As he says, there are adequate powers to deal with som...
Howard Stoate | 507 c329 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the hon. Gentleman says about voluntary advertising codes, but the Committee heard lots ...
Robert Syms | 507 c329 (Link to this contribution) Well, I sometimes think that that approach is better than too much of a centralised approach. If we ...
Greg Mulholland | 507 c328 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman probably knows, there has been good news on that. Following my campaign to rei...
Robert Syms | 507 c328-9 (Link to this contribution) Measurement is vital, and perhaps we ought to introduce some means of measuring alcohol in pubs and ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c328 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the hon. Gentleman says about the Portman Group, but is that not simply a way of making ...
Robert Syms | 507 c328 (Link to this contribution) Sometimes the most powerful message on responsible drinking is sent by the industry itself. Followin...
Howard Stoate | 507 c324-7 (Link to this contribution) It is very important that we are having this debate, and I pay tribute to my right hon. Friend the M...
Robert Syms | 507 c327-8 (Link to this contribution) I was listening to a programme on Radio 4 earlier in the week about marmalade. It was said that marm...
Sandra Gidley | 507 c333 (Link to this contribution) In France, it is now compulsory to indicate on pack labelling the shape of a pregnant woman with a c...
Anne Milton | 507 c358-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right that one of the problems is that we have a lot of legislation that is no...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c361 (Link to this contribution) As I said earlier, we need public information notices in all licensed establishments—and, perhaps, p...
Baroness Merron | 507 c359-61 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Chair of the Health Select Committee, my right hon. Friend the Member for Rother Valley ...
Baroness Merron | 507 c361-2 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend rightly draws my attention to that proposal. The important thing is to get the inform...
Speaker | 507 c354 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman must not have a second attempt at his speech now; I trust that he will put...
Stephen Hesford | 507 c354 (Link to this contribution) Last week, the hon. Member for Reigate (Mr. Blunt) said in terms, in a Delegated Legislation Committ...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 507 c357 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend touches on an important point. The regulations governing licensing consultation under...
Anne Milton | 507 c357-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. He is right, and any Member of Parliament who has a nig...
Jim McGovern | 507 c358 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady agree that the laws are already in place, certainly in Scotland, to address the p...
Baroness Merron | 507 c364 (Link to this contribution) We do not think that that would be a useful way of dealing with the challenge that we face, or that ...
Robert Goodwill | 507 c364 (Link to this contribution) Has the Minister considered the suggestion that people admitted to accident and emergency department...
Baroness Merron | 507 c364 (Link to this contribution) Indeed they do. In drawing the debate to a conclusion, let me say that the scale of the challenge b...
Kelvin Hopkins | 507 c364 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for giving way yet again. On this point about the health service and interven...
Baroness Merron | 507 c364 (Link to this contribution) Abuse of staff, whether physical or otherwise, is always unacceptable. We will continue to take all ...
Maria Miller | 507 c364 (Link to this contribution) Another issue that arises, particularly in A and E departments, is violence against staff, often fue...
Baroness Merron | 507 c362-3 (Link to this contribution) That is an interesting point, but if the right hon. Gentleman had been in his place throughout the d...
Jim McGovern | 507 c363 (Link to this contribution) When my hon. Friend has her discussions with the Chancellor, will she ask him not to go down the roa...
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Alcoholic drinks Costs Anti-social behaviour Consumption Competition law Excise duties EU action Health education Drunkenness Misuse Licensing laws Marketing Prices Scotland
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