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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Wednesday, 6 July 2005, in the House of Lords.

Equality Bill [HL].

Equality Bill [HL]. Lords Committee stage first day. Clauses 1 and 2 agreed to. Schedule 1 agreed to. Clause 3 under consideration. Part 1 of 2 records.

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673 c633-704 
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2005-06
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Department for Constitutional Affairs
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Committee stage
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House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Gale | 673 c685-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 25:"Page 58, line 30, at end insert—"    ““The power under section 18— (a)   s...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 673 c685 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for that very helpful response. I understand that there is a need to have so...
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Lord Prys-Davies | 673 c688-9 (Link to this contribution) I warmly support Amendment No. 31. The argument in support of the amendment applies with equal force...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 673 c683 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend has covered the points we wish to raise very adequately indeed, and I support her.
Baroness Turner of Camden | 673 c682-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 19:"Page 57, line 5, leave out ““may”” and insert ““shall””" The noble Baroness...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c683-5 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend will not be at all surprised by what I have to say in broad terms. I hope that some ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c681-2 (Link to this contribution) We are all agreed on the broad principle that the commissioners should reflect experience and expert...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 673 c682 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for her response. I am not really surprised that the noble   Baroness, Lady ...
Lord Hylton | 673 c696 (Link to this contribution) I suggest that the language of Clause 3 on page 1 of the Bill is completely hyperbolic, or, to put i...
Lord Peyton of Yeovil | 673 c695-6 (Link to this contribution) I have two amendments down to this clause—Amendments Nos. 61 and 62. I think that it would be for th...
Earl Ferrers | 673 c694-5 (Link to this contribution) It may be of convenience to the Committee if we discuss my amendment at the same time as it covers v...
Lord Geddes | 673 c694 (Link to this contribution) I must advise the Committee that if Amendment No.   57 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment No. 58 ...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 673 c691-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 57:"Page 1, line 11, leave out ““the creation of a society in which”” and insert...
Baroness Gale | 673 c691 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her reply, and thank too the noble Lord, Lord Dholakia, and my noble friend...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c690-1 (Link to this contribution) In terms of promotional activities, that is right under Clause 14. In the Bill more generally there ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c689-90 (Link to this contribution) Stakeholders in Scotland and Wales have been very strong advocates of the commission. We have develo...
Lord Prys-Davies | 673 c690 (Link to this contribution) Does that mean that, under Clause 14, the Wales committee will have power to undertake research or h...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 673 c689 (Link to this contribution) I had not meant to speak to this amendment, but having heard my noble friend Lady Gale move it, I sh...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 673 c675-6 (Link to this contribution) I fear that Members of the Committee will have to endure this private grief for a few seconds longer...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c675 (Link to this contribution) It is always particularly enjoyable when Liberal Democrats show their diversity of views. I wonder w...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c671 (Link to this contribution) I could not bear it if anyone reading Hansard thought that we agreed with my noble friend’s descript...
Lord Carter | 673 c671 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that we are all extremely grateful to the Minister for her typically full reply. On the de...
Lord Addington | 673 c672 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 8:"Page 54, line 22, at end insert—" ““(   )   a Commissioner appointed under ...
Lord Carter | 673 c671-2 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is always extremely willing to meet noble Lords to discuss a Bill as it proceeds. We wo...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 673 c673-4 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the amendments. Apart from anything else, it is crucial that the rights and interest...
Lord Northbourne | 673 c672-3 (Link to this contribution) I have a question about Amendments Nos. 8 and 99. I am probably as concerned as anyone in the Commit...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 673 c675 (Link to this contribution) I suppose, having heard what my noble friend Lord Lester of Herne Hill said, I am glad to be speakin...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c674-5 (Link to this contribution) I rise with a certain diffidence because I got into enough trouble on the Children Bill with the chi...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c681 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Miller of Hendon. My memory is that we did not include this in...
Lord Addington | 673 c679 (Link to this contribution) Once again, to be inches apart can lead to big arguments. However, with the assurance that this is o...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c679 (Link to this contribution) This work is already provided for in the legislation and therefore it will be done. My argument is t...
Lord Addington | 673 c678-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for her   response. I feel a momentary empathy with the Government Front ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c677-8 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to my noble friend. I nearly cut her off, but I had not seen her. Had I seen her, I woul...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 673 c681 (Link to this contribution) I do not agree with Amendment No. 10. Paragraph 2(1) to Schedule 1 states:"““In appointing Commissio...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 673 c680-1 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. My noble friend has made a case for the nomination of commissioners. I unde...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 673 c679-80 (Link to this contribution) My name is attached to this amendment and I should like to add a brief word to what my noble friend ...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 673 c679 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10:"Page 54, line 28, at end insert—" ““(   )   The Secretary of State shall i...
Baroness David | 673 c676-7 (Link to this contribution) My name is attached to Amendments Nos. 75 and 84 and I strongly support Amendments Nos. 8 and 99 tab...
Baroness Darcy de Knayth | 673 c663-5 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to my noble friend for interrupting her earlier. I am delighted that I did not succeed i...
Lord Northbourne | 673 c665 (Link to this contribution) I have a huge respect for the disability lobby in this Committee. I only wish the children’s lobby w...
Baroness Wilkins | 673 c661-3 (Link to this contribution) My apologies. I should not gasp for breath. Finally, Amendment No. 137 to Clause 30 addresses the n...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c665-71 (Link to this contribution) Not at all really. However, we will try and get a definitive definition. I could give the noble Lord...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c665 (Link to this contribution) I am glad the noble Lord ended with an easy question. I look longingly at the officials to see wheth...
Lord Northbourne | 673 c665 (Link to this contribution) I omitted to say that the Disability Discrimination Act, to which reference is made in the Bill, giv...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 673 c650-1 (Link to this contribution) I had not intended to take part in this debate, but I felt that perhaps on this amendment I ought to...
Lord Ouseley | 673 c651-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to the discussion on the amendment. It seeks to secure ...
Lord Carter | 673 c649 (Link to this contribution) This is the wrong group. The third group is the relevant one.
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c649-50 (Link to this contribution) I always try to think about the themes that might come out of the amendments that have been tabled. ...
Lord Addington | 673 c658-9 (Link to this contribution) I am very fortunate to speak on this   issue after the noble Lords, Lord Carter and Lord   Ashley, f...
Baroness Wilkins | 673 c659-61 (Link to this contribution) I strongly support all those amendments to which the noble Lords, Lord Carter, Lord Ashley of Stoke ...
Lord Carter | 673 c652-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 6:"Page 54, line 21, leave out paragraph (a) and insert—" ““(   )   two Commis...
Lord Ashley of Stoke | 673 c655-8 (Link to this contribution) It has been suggested that I should speak now because the amendments that I have proposed cover simi...
Lord Northbourne | 673 c649 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak briefly along the same lines. I had understood that we were dealing with the whole gro...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 673 c646 (Link to this contribution) Before I call Amendment No. 3, I must remind your Lordships that if it is agreed to, I cannot call A...
Lord Ouseley | 673 c646-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3:"Page 54, line 12, leave out sub-paragraph (1) and insert—" ““(1)   In appoi...
Lord Dholakia | 673 c647 (Link to this contribution) I broadly support the arguments put forward by the noble Lord, Lord Ouseley. Given previous experien...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c647-8 (Link to this contribution) I understand the object of this group of amendments. I wish to speak to the other amendments in the ...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 673 c645 (Link to this contribution) I was making a general point about the independence; I did not go into the specifics. It may be that...
Lord Goodhart | 673 c645 (Link to this contribution) I accept that. I deal briefly with the question asked by the noble Baroness, Lady Carnegy of Lour. T...
Lord Goodhart | 673 c645-6 (Link to this contribution) It is difficult to express an opinion on that. We have not consulted with our Scottish colleagues on...
Baroness Lockwood | 673 c648 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the points made by the noble Lords, Lord Dholakia and Lord Lester of   Herne Hill. I ap...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c640 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting the noble Baroness. Does she agree that if a government—I am not talkin...
Lord Dholakia | 673 c639-40 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment proposed by my noble friends Lord Goodhart and Lord Lester. I shall be brief...
Baroness Lockwood | 673 c640 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord,   Lord Goodhart, for setting out so clearly the   amendments before...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 673 c638-9 (Link to this contribution) I added my name to this amendment because, as other noble Lords have said, I think that it is the in...
Earl Ferrers | 673 c637-8 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the noble Baroness will be a little cautious before she accedes to these amendments. One...
Lord Goodhart | 673 c645 (Link to this contribution) First, I very much welcome the support which the noble Baroness, Lady Miller of Hendon, expressed on...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c642-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed and I would say to the noble Lord, Lord Ousele...
Lord Ouseley | 673 c641-2 (Link to this contribution) I find myself in the difficult position of supporting my Amendment No. 3, in which I ask for commiss...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c633 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on behalf of my noble and learned friend Lord Falconer of Thoroton, I beg to move that the...
Lord Goodhart | 673 c633 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 54, line 7, leave out ““The Secretary of State shall appoint”” and inser...
Lord Boston of Faversham | 673 c636 (Link to this contribution) In view of the groupings, I should point out to the Committee that if Amendment No. 3 is agreed to, ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c636-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall supplement what my noble friend has so clearly expressed with one or two additional points. ...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 673 c637 (Link to this contribution) The two noble Lords who have just spoken to this group have explained very clearly the idea of more ...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c702 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Peyton of Yeovil, must surely accept that for me to determine what I should do,...
Lord Fraser of Carmyllie | 673 c702 (Link to this contribution) The eloquent argument put by my noble friend Lady Miller and the noble Lord, Lord Waddington, as I u...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c702 (Link to this contribution) I thought that I had already read, in my response to the noble Lord, Lord   Holme, regarding the con...
Lord Slynn of Hadley | 673 c702-3 (Link to this contribution) Would not much of the difficulty that has been raised be solved if instead of the words,"““with a vi...
Lord Peyton of Yeovil | 673 c700 (Link to this contribution) I thought that I had made it clear that, as my noble friend had said everything that I wished to say...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c700 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Miller, has been absolutely right—I am grateful to her—in explaining to me ...
Lord Peyton of Yeovil | 673 c702 (Link to this contribution) I wish the noble Baroness would just agree to take the matter away, reflect on what has been said an...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c700-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall try; I am grateful to the noble Lord for clarifying the position. I shall make a point abou...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 673 c699-700 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for intervening, as it is very difficult for a lay person such as me to try t...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c699 (Link to this contribution) The clause does not say that the commission is charged with such a duty. If one reads the language, ...
Lord Waddington | 673 c699 (Link to this contribution) The language of Clause 3 is plain. It says:"““The Commission shall exercise its functions under this...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c699 (Link to this contribution) I have concluded my speech. For those reasons, I strongly oppose the amendment.
Lord Waddington | 673 c699 (Link to this contribution) I was not going to intervene in the debate, but I shall say briefly how much I agree with what has b...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c699 (Link to this contribution) Maybe I have got the wrong number, in which case I apologise. It is Amendment No.   102, but it is i...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c699 (Link to this contribution) From the Government Benches, I must say that it will be incredibly difficult to deal with this group...
Earl Ferrers | 673 c698-9 (Link to this contribution) I must interrupt the noble Lord, Lord   Lester, for half a minute. I am fascinated that he should ag...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c697-8 (Link to this contribution) It means that one respects, as an ancient Judeo-Christian principle, that every individual human bei...
Lord Monson | 673 c697 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. He said that it is right to respect the dignity and ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 673 c696-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Miller of Hendon, for writing to me and for the compliment that she...
Baroness Miller of Hendon | 673 c703-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her comments and all noble Lords who have supported me, including the noble...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 673 c704 (Link to this contribution) I suggest that the Committee does not begin again before 8.45 pm. I beg to move that the House do no...
Baroness Lockwood | 673 c640-1 (Link to this contribution) But I think that from time to   time all bodies, whether they be government departments or independe...
Lord Dholakia | 673 c688 (Link to this contribution) I shall be very brief. The noble Baroness was right to identify a number of issues for which we need...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 673 c645 (Link to this contribution) I think that the matter is important. It may seem to be a small point, but the human rights of one t...
Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 673 c703 (Link to this contribution) When I reach the end of my speech, I think that the noble and learned Lord will, perhaps, be more re...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 673 c638 (Link to this contribution) Has the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, consulted with his colleagues in power in the Executive in Scotla...
Earl Ferrers | 673 c704 (Link to this contribution) Would it be convenient for us quickly to consider Amendments Nos. 59 and 60?
Earl Ferrers | 673 c648-9 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Baroness who has just spoken. It would be wrong to categorise people and say ...
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Disability Children Civil liberties Disability Rights Commission Commission for Racial Equality Children's Commissioner for England Equality Finance Human rights Gender Equality and Human Rights Commission Equal Opportunities Commission Membership Public appointments Race relations Scotland Wales Sexuality
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