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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Wednesday, 3 May 2006, in the House of Lords.

Government of Wales Bill

Government of Wales Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Clauses 33-92 agreed to, clause 68 as amended. Schedules 3 and 4 agreed to. New clauses considered. (Part 2 of 2)

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
681 c547-62 
Session
2005-06
Department
Wales Office
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Related items
Government of Wales Bill
Wednesday, 3 May 2006
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Kingsland | 681 c553 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Lord knows, I would be quite relaxed about that answer were it not for the fact that th...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 681 c551-2 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 56 would certainly remove the protection afforded to Assembly measures against legal c...
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Lord Kingsland | 681 c550-1 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has again totally failed to address any of the points that I made about my amendment. T...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 681 c550 (Link to this contribution) I think that all that needs to be said in response to the amendments has already been said by my nob...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 681 c553 (Link to this contribution) The answer to the first question is yes and the answer to the second question is no. I think that th...
Lord Kingsland | 681 c552-3 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to add anything to what I said earlier. My question remains valid and, with great resp...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 681 c552 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord asks me a specific point that I shall have trouble answering directly. He will recogn...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 681 c552 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the Minister could resolve one particular Delphic matter which is contained in the ...
Lord Kingsland | 681 c550 (Link to this contribution) There is a big difference between bestowing power on the Welsh Assembly to legislate on a certain ma...
Lord Rowlands | 681 c556 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord cannot get away with that because his own amendment defines what the question will be...
Lord Roberts of Conwy | 681 c556 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is saying that the question for a referendum under Part 4 is as simple as he put it: ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 681 c558 (Link to this contribution) I do not see how we can lose a referendum on Part 4 if the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, will be cam...
Lord Crickhowell | 681 c556-8 (Link to this contribution) I have listened to the noble Lord, Lord Rowlands, making very persuasive speeches for more than 30 y...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 681 c558-9 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to hear it. I do not think it is an answer to my point, to say ““Well, if they want i...
Lord Crickhowell | 681 c558 (Link to this contribution) The Front Bench of my party in another place has already made it perfectly clear that the choice sho...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 681 c559 (Link to this contribution) Yes, there are problems with the parliamentary timetable. The noble Lord makes my point. That was on...
Lord Roberts of Conwy | 681 c559 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord allow me to remind him of the Commissioner for Older People (Wales) Bill? We had...
Lord Rowlands | 681 c555-6 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Roberts, fails to understand the fundamental distinction between Part 3 and Par...
Lord Roberts of Conwy | 681 c553-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 59:"After Clause 92, insert the following new clause—" ““REFERENDUM ABOUT COMM...
Lord Kingsland | 681 c547 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 54A:"Page 50, line 26, at end insert ““, adopted by resolution of each House of ...
Lord Rowlands | 681 c549-50 (Link to this contribution) But there will have been a previous reference to this place. That is what the Orders in Council proc...
Lord Crickhowell | 681 c549 (Link to this contribution) I merely observe that the noble Lord speaks with all the authority of a man who tried on a number of...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 681 c549 (Link to this contribution) I hope not, because his view was that only the Teutonic races were fitted for self-government. That ...
Lord Kingsland | 681 c549 (Link to this contribution) In that case, the noble Lord agrees with me that, in effect, the Assembly is making primary legislat...
Lord Kingsland | 681 c548 (Link to this contribution) I will attempt to answer the noble Lord’s question. I suggest there are two possibilities. One is th...
Lord Rowlands | 681 c547-8 (Link to this contribution) I am puzzled by this amendment because, by this time, the measure would have gone through the Assemb...
Lord Kingsland | 681 c549 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Thomas, introduced that quotation in the context of an earlier remark he made a...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 681 c548-9 (Link to this contribution) We oppose this amendment on the basis that it is bringing Parliament in as a check upon the Welsh As...
Lord Norton of Louth | 681 c560 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister saying that one could not draft a simple referendum question, or is he saying that t...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 681 c560-1 (Link to this contribution) We all ought to consider very carefully the questions that are advanced in referendums—noble Lords h...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 681 c559-60 (Link to this contribution) There is a certain air of déjà vu about this debate because we rehearsed most of these arguments whe...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 681 c561 (Link to this contribution) We can all play games with this at this stage. The noble Lord’s approach is rather more populist tha...
Lord Roberts of Conwy | 681 c561-2 (Link to this contribution) I am absolutely astonished by the debate that we have just had and by the camouflage thrown up by al...
Lord Norton of Louth | 681 c561 (Link to this contribution) Surely it is fairly simple and one can come up with straightforward wording. I have just jotted one ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 681 c561 (Link to this contribution) Should not the question be, ““Do you want the same powers as Scotland or halfway?””. I know where my...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 681 c549 (Link to this contribution) Yes, eight times, to be precise. I regard it as a proud tradition of Liberal Members of this House. ...
Lord Kingsland | 681 c551 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 56:"Page 50, line 28, leave out subsection (3)." The noble Lord said: This amen...
Lord Evans of Temple Guiting | 681 c562 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Subjects
Devolved matters Devolution Arts Culture Legislative competence Legal opinion First ministers Powers Public appointments Members National Assembly for Wales Referendums Politics and government Ministers Voluntary organisations Wales Welsh Government Arts Council of Wales Counsel General for Wales Voluntary Sector Partnership Council Statutory instruments
Legislation
Government of Wales Bill 2005-06
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