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Debate on bill on Tuesday, 28 October 2008, in the House of Lords.

Energy Bill

Energy Bill. Lords report stage second day.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
704 c1476-545 
Session
2007-08
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Report stage
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c1491-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 21: 21: After Clause 80, insert the following new Clause— ““Electricity distri...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 704 c1493-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted that the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, and I are able to resume our constructive...
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Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c1495 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that. It would be a miracle if something drafted by anyone other than pa...
Lord Whitty | 704 c1495-6 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 22: 22: After Clause 80, insert the follow...
Viscount Montgomery of Alamein | 704 c1491 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I accept that wholeheartedly. But I was rather disappointed that the Minister also said th...
Lord Geddes | 704 c1491 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before calling Amendment No. 16, I must advise the House that if it is agreed to I cannot ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 704 c1491 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 17 to 20: 17: Clause 80, page 73, line 17, leave out from ““(c),”” to end of...
Lord Dubs | 704 c1496-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 23: 23: Clause 81, page 74, line 26, after ““including”” insert ““financial an...
Lord Teverson | 704 c1497-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suspect that we will be talking a little more about smart metering as the afternoon prog...
Lord De Mauley | 704 c1498 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment No. 24 is entirely permissive, allowing the Government to consider the use of re...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 704 c1502-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 25: 25: After Clause 81, insert the following new Clause— ““Display of informa...
Baroness Wilcox | 704 c1506-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment raises an interesting issue and I am glad to have had the opportunity to hea...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 704 c1502 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I certainly agree. One dimension of the complexity is that we do not want the unfortunate ...
Lord Dubs | 704 c1502 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords for supporting these amendments and to my noble friend for wh...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 704 c1501 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not arguing for delay. We intend to bring back an amendment at Third Reading that, I ...
Lord Teverson | 704 c1501-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, something that has concerned me a little, and which the Minister did not address, is the p...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 704 c1498-501 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Dubs for these amendments and for the way in which h...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 704 c1501 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister said that additional studies will be carried out into models, and that the Go...
Lord Teverson | 704 c1507 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an interesting proposal. I was feeling positively enthusiastic and crusading—I can...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 704 c1507-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, has poured a little more cold water on the idea than I will...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 704 c1510 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister did not mention the unfairness implicit in the amendment between people who l...
Lord Oxburgh | 704 c1510 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the Minister aware that in eastern Australia this rising block tariff is used on domest...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 704 c1510 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are certainly concerned about the waste of energy. The noble Lord identified one form o...
Lord Oxburgh | 704 c1510 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is a Select Committee report on it. They do not need to go.
Lord Davies of Oldham | 704 c1510 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in that case they will be totally reassured that they will be contributing to very limited...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 704 c1511 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am indebted to my noble friend because once again he did something that characterises ma...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 704 c1511-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 26: 26: After Clause 83, insert the following new Clause— ““Smart meters: inst...
Lord Teverson | 704 c1513-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome the amendments moved by the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, and the noble Bar...
Baroness Wilcox | 704 c1516 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased to accept the Minister’s concession. It is an indication of both the importan...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 704 c1514-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I pay tribute to my noble friend Lord Campbell-Savours, the noble Baroness, Lady Wilcox, a...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c1517-20 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 29: 29: After Clause 89, insert the following new Clause— ““Power to amend lic...
Lord Teverson | 704 c1516 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 27: 27: After Clause 83, line 17, at end i...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 704 c1517 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friend for his interesting response, which will be greatly welcomed in th...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c1523-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can certainly assure the Minister that I have never doubted for a second the Government’...
Lord Oxburgh | 704 c1524-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 29A: 29A: After Clause 91, insert the following new Clause— ““Electricity and ...
Lord Mogg | 704 c1520-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I may be hidden, but I would like to make a short intervention. I speak as the chairman of...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 704 c1521-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to both noble Lords who have spoken in this debate—the noble Lord, Lord Jenk...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c1527-30 (Link to this contribution) I do not want in any sense to criticise the noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh, because not only is he is extr...
Lord Oxburgh | 704 c1527 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I totally agree with what the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, said, but the effect of my amendmen...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c1526-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my Amendment No. 30 has been linked with the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Oxbur...
Lord Mogg | 704 c1532-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I feel there is an inevitability about this intervention in that I feel a job description ...
Lord Whitty | 704 c1532 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I absolutely agree with that. I was not criticising anybody for having another go and gett...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c1534 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord, but these are hugely important issues. He will be ...
Lord Teverson | 704 c1530-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I found the contribution of the noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh, excellent. It is almost a textbo...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c1532 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord said that we cannot put this right in the last two days’ consideration of t...
Lord Mogg | 704 c1534-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have no difficulties with the obligation on the Secretary of State; what follows in the ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 704 c1535-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an extremely important debate. We have discussed access to transmission syst...
Lord Oxburgh | 704 c1538 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendments Nos. ...
Lord Renton of Mount Harry | 704 c1543-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend did better than I did because I have not. From a customer point of view, t...
Lord Renton of Mount Harry | 704 c1542-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 32B: 32B: After Clause 91, insert the following new Clause— ““Nuclear power ge...
Lord Puttnam | 704 c1542 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister. I not only accept what he said, but I wish to add that his departmen...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 704 c1541-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a great pleasure to respond to my noble friend. He and I were introduced into your L...
Lord Puttnam | 704 c1538-40 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 32A: 32A: After Clause 91, insert the following new Clause— ““Energy public in...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 704 c1545 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33: 33: Clause 94, page 83, line 16, after ““contains”” insert ““or regulation...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 704 c1545 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 34 to 37: 34: Schedule 5, page 139, leave out lines 35 to 44 and insert ““— ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 704 c1544-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, let me start by commenting on EDF. I have nothing to add to what I said in the House last ...
Lord Renton of Mount Harry | 704 c1545 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, no one would object to or disagree with the noble Lord's final sentence. I am disappointed...
Lord Teverson | 704 c1544 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was very interested to hear the noble Lord, Lord Renton, moving his amendment, but the o...
Lord Whitty | 704 c1477-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, since Amendment No. 14 stands in my name, I am very happy that the Minister has produced a...
Baroness Hayman | 704 c1477 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment No. 14 by reason of pre-emption.
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 704 c1478 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is no need for me to respond in detail other than to say to my noble friend that he ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 704 c1478 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government have been as good as their word and met the point that I made. We shall wat...
Lord Jones of Birmingham | 704 c1479 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take the opportunity to speak for the first time from the Cross Benches to say that I su...
Viscount Montgomery of Alamein | 704 c1478-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 15: 15: Clause 80, page 73, line 15, at end insert— ““( ) in subsection (1) af...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 704 c1476-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 13: 13: Clause 80, page 73, line 13, leave out from ““(1)”” to end of line 15 ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 704 c1476 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the Bill be now further considered on Report. Moved accordingly, and, ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 704 c1488-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a great pleasure to respond to such a lively debate. I am sure that we are all jolly...
Lord Teverson | 704 c1488 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for that correction and withdraw the remark. There is, as we were t...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 704 c1490-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that I did disparage what the noble and learned Lord said. I paid tribute t...
Viscount Montgomery of Alamein | 704 c1490 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Jones of Birmingham on his important maiden speech from the C...
Baroness Wilcox | 704 c1487 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure that this amendment requires us to discuss expenditure at this stage.
Lord Monson | 704 c1487 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Baroness sits down, perhaps I may ask whether she agrees that yesterday h...
Lord Teverson | 704 c1487-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome this amendment because, as the noble Viscount, Lord Montgomery of Alamein, said,...
Baroness Wilcox | 704 c1487 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must first apologise for my delayed arrival. I hope that noble Lords will realise as the...
Lord Hoyle | 704 c1486 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not going to talk about the sexual activities of animals or Eskimos or even follow th...
Lord Tanlaw | 704 c1484-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend on his excellent maiden speech. I share with him a declared...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 704 c1484 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment and I am delighted to see my noble friend Lord Davies of Oldham in...
Lord McCluskey | 704 c1483-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as another Scottish Member of this House I support entirely and wholeheartedly the amendme...
Lord Lee of Trafford | 704 c1483 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment and many of the arguments made. It is a privilege to follow the ma...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 704 c1482-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think there is anything wrong with this amendment. It is a perfectly good idea to...
Lord Howe of Aberavon | 704 c1481-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an unusual topic for me to intervene on, but I support all the arguments already p...
Lord Rogan | 704 c1480-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the writer of Ecclesiastes assures us that there is nothing new under the sun, that there ...
Baroness Billingham | 704 c1479-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a straightforward and simple request. We are asking for a scientific paper to revi...
Lord Jones of Birmingham | 704 c1479 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, once every five years my birthday falls on the very day when the clocks go back. For all o...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 704 c1510 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course the noble Baroness is right. I merely sought to produce one illustration of the ...
Lord Monson | 704 c1488 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, will he accept that there is no such thing as European ti...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 704 c1530 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know enough about how Ofgem works to know whether my noble friend Lord Jenkin is ...
Baroness Wilcox | 704 c1512-3 (Link to this contribution) moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 26, Amendment No. 26A: 26A: After Clause 83, line 8, at en...
Lord Whitty | 704 c1531-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have today and at earlier stages of the Bill gone into the whole area of what constitut...
Lord De Mauley | 704 c1535 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it may be an understatement to say that this issue has attracted a great deal of attention...
Subjects
Climate change Licensing Energy Electricity generation Energy supply Electricity Natural gas Nuclear power Meters Prices Renewable energy Technology Wind power Summertime Carbon emissions
Legislation
Energy Bill 2007-08
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