Debate on bill on Thursday, 30 October 2008, in the House of Lords.

Education and Skills Bill

Education and Skills Bill. Lords Report stage. Part 1 of 2 records.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 704 c1692-727
Session: 2007-08
Department: Department for Children, Schools and Families
Legislative stage: Report stage
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Education and Skills Bill. As amended in Committee.
Monday, 21 July 2008
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Baroness Thornton | 704 c1722 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the Report stage, so I think that noble Lords are able to make only one speech.; Lord Lucas | 704 c1722 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Report stage is very tiresome from that point of view, particularly when we are getting in...; Lord Dearing | 704 c1722 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be very brief. It strikes me that the noble Lord, Lord Layard, is not asking for a...; Lord Young of Norwood Green | 704 c1723-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I could not help reflecting that, in dealing with my first amendment, I am up against a fo...; Baroness Blackstone | 704 c1717-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have put my name to the amendment and I strongly support what my noble friend Lord Layar...; Baroness Morris of Yardley | 704 c1719-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have signed up to this amendment and wish to speak in favour of it in support of my nobl...; Baroness Whitaker | 704 c1720-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise for not being able to take part at earlier stages of the Bill. I speak now in ...; Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 704 c1721 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remember being rather attracted by this concept in Committee and I am further beguiled b...; Lord Lucas | 704 c1721-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a very important amendment. I find myself entirely in agreement with what the nobl...; Baroness Blackstone | 704 c1693 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, unfortunately, I was not here when this issue was discussed in Committee but I would like ...; Earl of Listowel | 704 c1693-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Dr Roger Morgan, the person charged with listening to the voice of children and young peop...; Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 704 c1694-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, that a lot has changed in the 14 weeks betwe...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 704 c1695-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her thorough answer. I forgive her; it was remiss of me not to we...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 704 c1692-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1: 1: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, at end insert— ““( ) This Part does not apply ...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 704 c1693 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in Committee was it not indicated that teenage mothers who had children under 12 months wo...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 704 c1696-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2: 2: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, at end insert ““, and (d) is not engaged in v...; Lord Lucas | 704 c1704-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that my noble friend might in due course have an opportunity not to go down this ro...; Baroness Perry of Southwark | 704 c1705 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot fault an iota of the very impassioned, excellent argument of the noble Baroness, ...; Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 704 c1706 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, not only for tabling the amendment but for the ...; Lord Elton | 704 c1705-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall revert to the Prison Service when I speak to my amendment later. I had intended to...; Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 704 c1707-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remind the House that the proposals in the Bill would not make it compulsory for young p...; Earl of Listowel | 704 c1706-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, thank the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, for bringing back this important debate. ...; Baroness Walmsley | 704 c1708-10 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4: 4: Clause 2, page 2, line 3, at end insert ““, or (d) have signed, and be p...; Baroness Walmsley | 704 c1708 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we obviously have not persuaded the Minister, but I fear that this fixation with compulsio...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 704 c1710 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I added my name to the amendment proposed by the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, because we...; Lord Lucas | 704 c1698 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the Minister going to speak to her amendment in this group? If not, it will be difficul...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 704 c1698 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these are eminently sensible amendments. There is nothing better a young person can do tha...; Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 704 c1699-701 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope I can provide the clarity that the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, is looking for. I ha...; Earl of Listowel | 704 c1699 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall briefly comment on what the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, said about the importance ...; Lord Lucas | 704 c1698-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to speak, but I want to listen to the Minister first. I am sorry, I am being totall...; Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 704 c1698 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the amendments and endorse the points made. Training in the voluntary sect...; Baroness Morris of Bolton | 704 c1704 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we made it quite clear at Second Reading and in Committee that we would much rather the Go...; Baroness Fookes | 704 c1704 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if this amendment were agreed, I could not call Amendment No. 4, by reason of pre-emption....; Baroness Walmsley | 704 c1702-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3: 3: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, leave out from ““applies”” to end of line 3 o...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 704 c1701-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister. She has clarified most of the issues that I wished to be cl...; Earl of Listowel | 704 c1714 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, is very persuasive. However, we have entered a new econom...; Earl of Listowel | 704 c1715 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her persuasive and helpful response. Might she consider producing...; Earl of Listowel | 704 c1717 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also support the noble Lord, Lord Layard. In childcare, many people, such as Dr Gillian ...; Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 704 c1715 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Bill represents an absolutely integral part of our commitment in the Children’s Plan. ...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 704 c1717 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we on these Benches support the noble Lord’s amendment. As a party, we have long maintaine...; Lord Layard | 704 c1715-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 8: 8: Clause 8, page 4, line 29, after ““learning”” insert ““away from the ind...; Lord Lucas | 704 c1711 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can pick the noble Baroness up on this; it is the point that I was trying to make on the...; Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 704 c1711 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have already sat down.; Lord Lucas | 704 c1711 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may ask the noble Baroness a couple of questions on her amendment. If such an ag...; Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 704 c1710 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Adonis explained in Committee that our reluctance to accept the propo...; Baroness Verma | 704 c1713 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is clear that there is unhappiness on many sides about the issue of compulsion; placing...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 704 c1712-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 5: 5: Clause 2, page 2, line 11, at end insert— ““( ) The duty under this sect...; Baroness Walmsley | 704 c1712 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for both of her contributions. I am quite satisfied that she wi...; Lord Elton | 704 c1711 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I say ““hear, hear””, from a standing rather than sitting position, to add force to what t...; Earl of Listowel | 704 c1711 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps it would be appropriate for me to comment now, before the Minister replies. Will t...; Lord Layard | 704 c1726-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for his reply and for his offer of further dialogue, whic...; Lord Davies of Oldham | 704 c1727 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned and, in moving the Mot...; Lord Young of Norwood Green | 704 c1726 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I were expert enough to give a precise assurance on that I would; but I can assure my n...; Baroness Morris of Yardley | 704 c1726 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friend for his consideration of the points that I raised on non-governmen...; Lord Young of Norwood Green | 704 c1725-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with my noble friend that that is not the purpose of the amendment, but it would s...; Baroness Blackstone | 704 c1725 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was not suggesting that someone would be better off unemployed than in a dead-end job. I...; Lord Ramsbotham | 704 c1705 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree strongly with the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley. While she was speaking, I was min...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 704 c1714 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remind the noble Baroness that, under Amendments Nos. 221 and 222, there is certainty; c...; Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 704 c1714-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lady Morris for giving us her sense of realism and her reminder of...; Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 704 c1711-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very much enjoying this opportunity, having tabled an amendment, to speak again. I th...; Lord Layard | 704 c1722 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, do not most of the successful distance-learning programmes that we know of—the Open Univer...; Baroness Morris of Yardley | 704 c1713 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak in favour of the Government’s position. I cannot recall any piece of legislation t...; Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 704 c1715 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for her reply. I remind her, as I reminded the noble Baroness, Lady M...
Subjects: Education Children in care Apprentices Employment Health services Enforcement Exemptions Learning disability Local government Qualifications Parents Mental health services Part-time education Training Young people Voluntary work School leaving Specialised diplomas Connexions Service Care leavers
Legislation: Education and Skills Bill 2007-08
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Education and Skills Bill

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