Debate on bill on Monday, 22 June 2020, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Gardiner of Kimble and Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist.

Fisheries Bill [HL]

Lords report stage. First day. New clause debated and withdrawn. Amendment to clause 1 agreed to on division (310 votes to 250). Other amendments debated and withdrawn.

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 804 cc24-345
Session: 2019-21
Department: Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: Government defeats; New clauses; Hybrid proceedings
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Fisheries Bill (HL) 2019-21.
Wednesday, 29 January 2020
Bills
House of Lords; Deposited Paper DEP2020-0371
Tuesday, 30 June 2020
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Bates | 804 cc24-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, a limited number of Members are here in the Chamber, respecting social distancing, and ...; Lord Teverson | 804 c25 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Teverson
1: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—
“Fi...; Lord Teverson | 804 cc25-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we very much come back to something that is completely fundamental to the concept of th...; Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 804 c26 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with the concept of the amendment from the noble Lord, ...; Lord Hain | 804 cc26-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I speaking to Amendment 1, I will speak also to Amendments 4 to 6. What concerns me abo...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 804 c28 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was very interested to hear the reasons the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, gave for bring...; Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c28 (Link to this contribution)
Lord Mackay of Clashfern. No? I call the noble Earl, Lord Caithness.; Earl of Caithness | 804 cc322-29 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry that my noble and learned friend Lord Mackay of Clashfern is not able to joi...; Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 804 c29 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friend Lord Teverson has set out the reasons for this amendment, which we deba...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 804 cc29-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for raising this issue again, following...; Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c30 (Link to this contribution)
Shall we try again to see if we can get the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern? Lor...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 804 c30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this proposal’s reference to “the United Kingdom” requires consideration, given the mat...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 804 cc30-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful the noble Lord for his amendment and to all noble Lords who have taken pa...; Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c32 (Link to this contribution)
I have received a request from the noble Earl, Lord Caithness, to speak after the Minister.; Earl of Caithness | 804 c32 (Link to this contribution)
Can my noble friend the Minister comment on what the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitchurch, sa...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 804 c32 (Link to this contribution)
On the noble Baroness’s intention, we do not think that it would be helpful to the fishing indust...; Lord Teverson | 804 cc32-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank everybody, particularly the Minister, for their contributions.
I am sure ...; Lord Krebs | 804 c33 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Krebs
2: Clause 1, page 1, line 12, leave out subsection (2) and insert...; Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c33 (Link to this contribution)
I remind noble Lords that Members other than the mover of an amendment and the Minister may speak...; Lord Krebs | 804 cc33-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we spent a great deal of time discussing sustainability during earlier stages of the Bi...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 804 c34 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I lend my support to this amendment. There is a certain attraction in having one object...; Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 804 cc34-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Krebs. I know that my local...; Lord Blencathra | 804 cc36-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened carefully to the arguments made by the proponents of the amendment and ...; Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 804 c37 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I fully support Amendment 2, in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Krebs, and others. It ...; Lord Cameron of Dillington | 804 cc37-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is probably my naivety, but it seems to me that Amendment 2 is one of those amendmen...; Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c38 (Link to this contribution)
I think we have lost the noble Lord. We will go on to the next speaker and perhaps come back to h...; Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 804 cc38-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, a large number of noble Lords are taking part in this important debate on Amendments 2 ...; Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 804 c39 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as previous speakers have said, this is a fundamental part of the Bill, and I feel very...; Baroness Young of Old Scone | 804 cc39-40 (Link to this contribution)
I support Amendment 2 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Krebs. The end of our participation in ...; Lord Lansley | 804 cc40-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very glad to have the opportunity to contribute on Report. I declare an interest i...; Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c323 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy of Cradley, has withdrawn, so I now call the noble and...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 804 cc323-42 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment is of considerable importance. It seeks to set aside all the other objec...; Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale | 804 cc42-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the common fisheries policy was certainly flawed at times in its execution, but it had ...; Lord Mann | 804 cc43-4 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord McConnell, speaks with great knowledge and wisdom on the pressures brought b...; Earl of Caithness | 804 cc44-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a very interesting debate. My instinct is to support this amendment whole...; Lord Teverson | 804 cc45-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if I may just respond first to the noble Earl, Lord Caithness, this amendment does exac...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 804 cc46-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am pleased to have added my name to Amendment 2 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord K...; Baroness Henig | 804 c47 (Link to this contribution)
Before I call the Minister, I shall call the noble Lord, Lord Cameron of Dillington, who was not ...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 804 cc47-51 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, what an interesting debate. I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Krebs, for initiating...; Lord Cameron of Dillington | 804 c51 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my reference to the Marine (Scotland) Act was really trying to say that the authorities...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 804 c51 (Link to this contribution)
I would say to the noble Lord, Lord Cameron, that there have now been many iterations of the Bill...; Lord Krebs | 804 cc51-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all who have taken part in this important debate; we have heard some interestin...; Baroness Henig | 804 cc53-7 (Link to this contribution)
We now come to the group consisting of Amendment 3. I remind noble Lords that Members other than ...; Lord Krebs | 804 c57 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Krebs
3: Clause 1, page 2, line 17, leave out subsection (6) and insert...; Lord Krebs | 804 cc57-327 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope and expect that this amendment will not take as long as Amendment 2, so I will b...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 804 cc327-58 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Krebs, on bringing forward this amendment, which I ...; Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 804 c58 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Krebs, has put this very succinctly. I have concerns, not just abo...; Lord Teverson | 804 c58 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I like this amendment very much. The noble Lord, Lord Krebs, has managed to write out a...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 804 cc58-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Krebs, for tabling the amendment and for succinct...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 804 cc59-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Krebs, for this amendment, because it provides me...; Lord Krebs | 804 c60 (Link to this contribution)
I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this short debate. I think that we are all agreed ...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 804 c61 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Mackay of Clashfern
4: Clause 1, page 2, line 29, leave out subsection ...; Lord Bates | 804 c61 (Link to this contribution)
I remind noble Lords that Members other than the mover of an amendment and the Minister may speak...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 804 cc61-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I listened with a certain amount of concern to what the noble Lord, Lord Hain, said abo...; Lord Lansley | 804 cc62-328 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 23 in my name is in this group. It and Amendment 4 are grouped together becau...; Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 804 cc328-63 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Hain, I agree that the common fisheries policy, under the Eur...; Lord Naseby | 804 cc63-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise to my noble friend the Minister for not being able to take part in the Seco...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 804 c64 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank my noble and learned friend Lord Mackay of Clashfern for bringing forward Amend...; Lord Teverson | 804 cc64-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not have very strong opinions on these amendments or the way in which they are dra...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 804 c67 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am highly satisfied with that answer and with pleasure I beg leave to withdraw my ame...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 804 c67 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Mackay of Clashfern
5: Clause 1, page 2, line 35, at end insert—
...; Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c67 (Link to this contribution)
We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 5. I remind noble Lords that Members other than...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 804 c329 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment is intended to focus on the need to consider the workforce in the fishin...; Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 804 c68 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the principles behind the amendment moved by the noble and learned Lord, Lord...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 804 c68 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too support the amendments and thank my noble and learned friend Lord Mackay of Clash...; Lord Lansley | 804 cc68-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I join my noble and learned friend Lord Mackay and other noble Lords in paying tribute ...; Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 804 c69 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendments 5 and 6. As all noble Lords have said, the fishing ...; Lord Grantchester | 804 cc69-70 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern, for tabling thes...; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 804 cc70-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for my noble and learned friend Lord Mackay’s proposed amendments on two ...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 804 c72 (Link to this contribution)
I am very happy to withdraw Amendment 5, and not to move Amendment 6. I thank the Minister for he...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 804 c330 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch
7: Clause 2, page 3, line 6, at end insert—
...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 804 cc330-73 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak also to Amendment 53, tabled in my name. Amendment 7 would require a joint...; Lord Krebs | 804 c73 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitchurch, for tabling Amendments 7 and 53. ...; Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 804 c73 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too thank the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitchurch, for bringing forward these tw...; Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c74 (Link to this contribution)
Do we have the noble Lord, Lord Randall of Uxbridge? We do not seem to. Perhaps we will try to ge...; Earl of Caithness | 804 cc74-331 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, you are going too quickly; the unmute button did not come on, but I have got it now.; Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 804 cc331-75 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened carefully to the debate and to the contributions from the noble Barones...; Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 804 c75 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitchurch, for tabling this amendment. We hav...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 804 cc75-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for her amendment, which would require the joi...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 804 cc78-9 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister and all noble Lords who have contributed to this really important discussion...; Lord Teverson | 804 c79 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Teverson
8: Clause 2, page 3, line 13, at end insert—
“( ) sets o...; Baroness Garden of Frognal | 804 c79 (Link to this contribution)
I remind noble Lords that Members other than the mover of an amendment and the Minister may speak...; Lord Teverson | 804 cc79-80 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, rather late in the proceedings, I declare an interest as co-chair of the Cornwall and I...; Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 804 cc80-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Teverson. As the UK shares ...; Baroness Young of Old Scone | 804 cc81-333 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too support Amendments 8, 12 and 13, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, and oth...; Lord Lansley | 804 c82 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in response to the noble Baroness, Lady Young of Old Scone, I was grateful for her impl...; Lord Naseby | 804 cc82-335 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not support the amendment, which does not seem practical. Of course, there has to ...; Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 804 cc335-83 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these three amendments all deal with the migration of fish across national boundaries. ...; Lord Grantchester | 804 cc83-4 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for tabling these amendments. I support Amendments 8 and 1...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 804 cc84-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for the opportunity to discuss the...; Lord Teverson | 804 c86 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister very much for that positive and upbeat response, and I thank all noble Lords...; Lord Lansley | 804 c86 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Lansley
9: Clause 2, page 3, line 13, at end insert—
“(1A) The po...; Baroness Henig | 804 c86 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we now come to the group beginning with Amendment 9. I remind noble Lords that Members ...; Lord Lansley | 804 cc86-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want first to say a warm thank-you to my noble friend the Minister and officials in h...; Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 804 c88 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend Lord Lansley not only on bringing forward Amendment 9 bu...; Lord Cameron of Dillington | 804 cc88-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is always my ambition to kick-start a change in a Bill in Committee and, hopefully, ...; Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 804 c89 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I find that I have a certain sympathy with Amendments 9 and 28. Like the noble Lord, Lo...; Baroness Young of Old Scone | 804 cc89-90 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lansley, for sorting me out on Amendment 51 when I jumped the gun on...; Baroness Henig | 804 c90 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness, Lady McIntosh of Pickering, does not wish to speak on this amendment so I cal...; Lord Teverson | 804 c90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will be brief. Something that I tried to do in Committee but have not pursued on Repo...; Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 804 c90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too thank the noble Lord, Lord Lansley, for explaining the purpose of these amendment...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 804 cc91-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to my noble friend Lord Lansley for his proposed amendments, which r...; Lord Lansley | 804 c92 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend, and I reiterate my thanks to him and his colleagues in the depa...; Lord Teverson | 804 c341 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Teverson
10: Clause 2, page 3, line 35, leave out from “restore” to end...; Lord Teverson | 804 cc341-93 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lansley, for setting a precedent for us. Parliament is bui...; Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 804 c93 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to my Amendments 14, 15 and 54. Amendment 14 would require the management...; Lord Grantchester | 804 cc93-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for Amendment 10. I will speak to Amendment 16 i...; Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 804 c94 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 10 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Teverson. I am attract...; Baroness Young of Old Scone | 804 c94 (Link to this contribution)
On Amendment 10, the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, talked about having ambition beyond simply restor...; Lord Cameron of Dillington | 804 c95 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 14 in the name of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of...; Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 804 cc95-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for moving Amendment 10 and I welcome the opportunity t...; Lord Teverson | 804 cc97-8 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that reply. I have looked at Clause 48 and I have to admit that she is r...; Lord Lansley | 804 c98 (Link to this contribution)
Moved by
Lord Lansley
11: Clause 2, page 3, line 36, at end insert—
“( ) If, pr...; Lord Bates | 804 c98 (Link to this contribution)
We now come to the group consisting of Amendment 11. I remind noble Lords that Members, other tha...; Lord Lansley | 804 cc98-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 11 relates to the question of whether, if there is an inconsistency between t...; Baroness Young of Old Scone | 804 c99 (Link to this contribution)
When I originally read this amendment, I thought I supported the proposal made by the noble Lord,...; Lord Teverson | 804 c99 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will be very interested in the Minister’s reply.; Lord Grantchester | 804 cc99-100 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 11, which was moved by the noble Lord, Lord Lansley, raises an important ques...; Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 804 cc100-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to my noble friend for his amendment. The fisheries administrations ...; Lord Lansley | 804 c102 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to my noble friend. It might have been brisk, but it was also thorough. It hel...
Subjects: Devolved matters Common fisheries policy Conservation Climate change Crew Employment Fisheries Licensing Environment protection EU law Fishing vessels Economic situation Fish Fishing gear Northern Ireland Marine animals Migrant workers Scotland Training Safety Sustainable development Wales Seas and oceans Wildlife Quotas Total allowable catches UN Convention on the Law of the Sea Freshwater fish Philippines UK relations with EU Aquaculture
Legislation: Fisheries Bill (HL) 2019-21
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Fisheries Bill [HL]

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