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Debate on bill on Monday, 13 March 2006, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Hain. The answering member was David Lidington.

Northern Ireland (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill

Northern Ireland (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion for proceedings in Committee, on Report and Third reading agreed to on question (formal). Money resolution agreed to on question (formal)

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
443 c1166-247 
Session
2005-06
Department
Northern Ireland Office
Legislative stage
Second reading
Procedure
Programme motions
Money resolutions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Jeffrey M Donaldson | 443 c1234-6 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with the hon. Gentleman. It matters not to my constituents whether a police officer...
Sammy Wilson | 443 c1236 (Link to this contribution) We have had a wide-ranging debate. Indeed, the views expressed have ranged from that of the hon. Mem...
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Jeffrey M Donaldson | 443 c1234 (Link to this contribution) When I heard the hon. Member for Belfast, South (Dr. McDonnell) say earlier that the SDLP stood for ...
Speaker | 443 c1234 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman is ranging a little too widely. Could we now get back to debating the spec...
Jeffrey M Donaldson | 443 c1234 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I was ranging a little wide of the miscellaneous provisions, Madam Deputy Speaker.
Lembit Opik | 443 c1234 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that, while we all want a police service that represents a cross-secti...
Lady Hermon | 443 c1231-2 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has not explained why the anomaly existed for such a long time. May I place on the rec...
Lady Hermon | 443 c1229-31 (Link to this contribution) It is a delight to follow the hon. Member for Belfast, East (Mr. Robinson). I found myself in consid...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 443 c1231 (Link to this contribution) When the hon. Lady made that point in a Committee considering another piece of legislation, I made a...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1226 (Link to this contribution) We oppose the hon. Gentleman’s changes.
Peter Robinson | 443 c1226-9 (Link to this contribution) Let me make the position clear. When members of my party decided to take up seats in the Executive a...
Peter Robinson | 443 c1226 (Link to this contribution) Yes, but we were opposed to it. The hon. Gentleman is supporting it. His position is quite inconsist...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1233-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman needs to recall that 50:50 recruitment was proposed in the context of retaining a...
Lembit Opik | 443 c1233 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Gentleman remembers our debates here predicting not only resentment but inju...
Jeffrey M Donaldson | 443 c1233 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the opportunity to participate in the debate and to follow the hon. Member for North Down ...
Lord Bannside | 443 c1192 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the fact that people can register up to a few days before the vot...
Eddie McGrady | 443 c1197-9 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Foyle (Mark Durkan) strongly outlined the problem that we have with cl...
Lembit Opik | 443 c1192-7 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is correct. In theory, there is every opportunity for people to register, b...
Eddie McGrady | 443 c1200 (Link to this contribution) The intimidation comes from the paramilitaries attached to political parties other than those repres...
Lady Hermon | 443 c1200 (Link to this contribution) I know that the hon. Gentleman will not disclose the names of constituents who have been intimidated...
Lembit Opik | 443 c1201 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the creeping erosion of our democracy is going even further than he...
Lord Cormack | 443 c1200-1 (Link to this contribution) It is a sobering moment because the words that the hon. Member for South Down (Mr. McGrady) just utt...
Lord Bannside | 443 c1203-5 (Link to this contribution) The Northern Ireland (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill has certainly been well named. The ““miscellane...
Lord Cormack | 443 c1201-2 (Link to this contribution) You would probably rebuke me, Madam Deputy Speaker, if I went off on a long excursion into Wales. Ho...
David Anderson | 443 c1205 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to Members for having had to leave the Chamber for a short time earlier. Everyone in th...
David Anderson | 443 c1207-8 (Link to this contribution) We can all learn from our mistakes. I have learnt from mine. That is why I am here: otherwise I woul...
David Anderson | 443 c1205-6 (Link to this contribution) Any part that relates to the impasse that we have been in for the past seven years or to anything th...
Lembit Opik | 443 c1205 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the hon. Gentleman at such an early stage, but I think that he said that the...
Lembit Opik | 443 c1205 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
David Anderson | 443 c1206 (Link to this contribution) He may well be. Besides, it is called democracy. If the people decide that Martin McGuinness is the ...
Ben Wallace | 443 c1206 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman think it wise to provide for Martin McGuinness, for example, possibly to be ...
Laurence Robertson | 443 c1207 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware that an action taken by his own party—the creation of the new electricit...
David Anderson | 443 c1206-7 (Link to this contribution) That is what I meant when I said there might be discussions to establish how the devolution of polic...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 443 c1212-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has repeated that line so often that he is beginning to believe it. If he reads t...
Lady Hermon | 443 c1209 (Link to this contribution) : I know that the right hon. Member for North Antrim (Rev. Ian Paisley) described the Bill as someth...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 443 c1209 (Link to this contribution) I accept that entirely, and it was clear from the hon. Gentleman’s speech that, although he is a str...
Peter Robinson | 443 c1210 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend recall that it was actually the Democratic Unionist party that, during discussio...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 443 c1210 (Link to this contribution) Of course, the triple lock that the Secretary of State referred to means that it is not just the Gov...
Jim Devine | 443 c1208 (Link to this contribution) Is it not fair to say that 20 years ago, the hon. Gentleman would have described Nelson Mandela and ...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 443 c1208 (Link to this contribution) I listened carefully to the hon. Member for Blaydon (Mr. Anderson) and I have to say that some of hi...
David Anderson | 443 c1209 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will accept that I made it clear that terrorists and criminals should not have a ...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 443 c1208-9 (Link to this contribution) Others have also tried comparing Northern Ireland to South Africa, but it is not very helpful becaus...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 443 c1210-2 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and this issue, which was fully debated during the election camp...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1225-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has misrepresented the Secretary of State as well as the SDLP. I do not believe t...
Peter Robinson | 443 c1226 (Link to this contribution) I am puzzled why anyone who believes in power sharing and an inclusive Government in Northern Irelan...
Peter Robinson | 443 c1225 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman may wish to wait a moment before he intervenes, as he may have more to say. The ...
Peter Robinson | 443 c1221-5 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to follow the hon. Member for Lancaster and Wyre (Mr. Wallace), whose experience in N...
Ben Wallace | 443 c1218-20 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his reply, but some of the answers given by the Secretary of State...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 443 c1217-8 (Link to this contribution) For the benefit of the hon. Gentleman and the rest of the House I refer him to the discussion paper ...
Ben Wallace | 443 c1216-7 (Link to this contribution) I understand why the Government have introduced the Bill and I understand their justification that w...
Alasdair McDonnell | 443 c1213-6 (Link to this contribution) I wish to confine myself to the miscellaneous aspects of the miscellaneous provisions in the Bill. T...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 443 c1213 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman invites me to guess, so I presume that he invites me to look in his direction on ...
Ben Wallace | 443 c1176 (Link to this contribution) Does the Secretary of State accept that there is a principle incorporated in the Bill that will chan...
Lord Hain | 443 c1176 (Link to this contribution) Not for the first time in being generous in taking interventions, a point that I was about to deal w...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 443 c1176 (Link to this contribution) Does the Secretary of State accept that that provision will be seen, and is seen widely in Northern ...
Lord Hain | 443 c1176-8 (Link to this contribution) That is not the only issue, if it is an issue at all. Not only Sinn Fein was concerned with the issu...
Peter Robinson | 443 c1178 (Link to this contribution) I get the impression that the Secretary of State is bringing his remarks to a close, but he has not ...
David Lidington | 443 c1179-80 (Link to this contribution) The heart of the Bill is the section dealing with the proposed devolution of policing and criminal j...
Lord Hain | 443 c1175 (Link to this contribution) I can, as I will explain, give the hon. Lady a positive response to the questions she has asked. The...
Lady Hermon | 443 c1175 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State kindly elaborate on where he thinks that intimidation of legitimate and ...
Lord Hain | 443 c1175-6 (Link to this contribution) Concerns were expressed to me—not particularly in relation to the IRA, but generally—about the clima...
Lord Hain | 443 c1181 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is very generous in giving way. Perhaps I can take of advantage of him to provide...
David Lidington | 443 c1181 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State.
Peter Robinson | 443 c1181 (Link to this contribution) : The issue raised in the question asked by the hon. Member for Foyle (Mark Durkan) is not whether a...
David Lidington | 443 c1181 (Link to this contribution) Given the background of the lady who has been appointed, I would hope that inquiries of that type ha...
Lord Bannside | 443 c1181 (Link to this contribution) I should like to bring the hon. Gentleman back to his point that people with connections to terroris...
David Lidington | 443 c1181-2 (Link to this contribution) Yes. I was about to make exactly that point. The Secretary of State referred to the events of last y...
Lord Hain | 443 c1180 (Link to this contribution) The matter has been raised with the hon. Gentleman rather than with me, but I would have been happy ...
David Lidington | 443 c1181 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for his comments. We will have opportunities to pursue the m...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1180 (Link to this contribution) : The hon. Gentleman made a number of points about the parties related to loyalist paramilitaries an...
David Lidington | 443 c1180 (Link to this contribution) : The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. I had not been aware of it before he gave me news of ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 443 c1187 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will be aware that a consultation on those very points was completed at the end o...
Lord Hain | 443 c1186 (Link to this contribution) It is not clear whether the hon. Gentleman accepts my basic point that the Security Service needs to...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1186 (Link to this contribution) I have already said that we should stick to what Patten recommended, and Patten clearly envisaged th...
Lord Hain | 443 c1186 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I am trying the hon. Gentleman’s patience, but we all do so to one another in the House. It ...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1186-7 (Link to this contribution) I should have thought that a comparison with Herod as children’s commissioner indicated that I do no...
David Lidington | 443 c1182 (Link to this contribution) At one stage, Ministers in the Irish Government called on the IRA to disband—the Justice Minister di...
Andrew Turner | 443 c1182 (Link to this contribution) I agree with every word that my hon. Friend says, but does he agree that although stated ideology is...
David Lidington | 443 c1182-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. Ideology is important because we are talking about an organisation that tak...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1184-6 (Link to this contribution) The Bill before us is an odd one. It is something of a dog’s breakfast in that it contains all sorts...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 443 c1182 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman’s approach is absolutely right. Whether or not the IRA is on a permanent and irre...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1189-91 (Link to this contribution) I accept fully what the hon. Gentleman has said. It reminds me of a conversation that I tried to hav...
Lembit Opik | 443 c1191-2 (Link to this contribution) As you will know, Madam Deputy Speaker, since the last time that we had a debate on Northern Ireland...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1189 (Link to this contribution) I welcome that commitment from the Secretary of State. I hope that there will be nothing like what I...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1188-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Secretary of State for his intervention, but we have engaged very positively with all th...
Lord Hain | 443 c1189 (Link to this contribution) I agree that it would be wholly wrong if the SDLP or the UUP found themselves excluded in those circ...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1187-8 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that the commission should have lesser powers than those outlined in the Paris princ...
Lord Hain | 443 c1188 (Link to this contribution) It is not a question of importing the comprehensive agreement wholesale into legislation. The Minist...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1187 (Link to this contribution) Given that the commitments were made as far back as 2000, that the response to the consultation is n...
Lady Hermon | 443 c1187 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman referred to the Paris principles. Those principles set out the characteristics an...
Lord Cormack | 443 c1243 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree that there is no point in Sinn Fein joining the Policing Board, much as we w...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 443 c1242-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank hon. Members from all parts of the House for what has been a fascinating and largely good-te...
Laurence Robertson | 443 c1239-42 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I find it rather odd, which is all I need to say on that point. It does seem to be contradictor...
Lembit Opik | 443 c1239 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his words about my observations. Does he recall how often Ministers i...
Laurence Robertson | 443 c1238 (Link to this contribution) It has been a wide-ranging and interesting debate, which was ably—as usual—opened by the Secretary o...
Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 443 c1238 (Link to this contribution) The Bill will extend the investigatory powers provided for in the Serious Organised Crime and Police...
Sammy Wilson | 443 c1236-8 (Link to this contribution) Breakfast, was it? Well, I think it is supper now. I think that we are all becoming dog-tired. We ha...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 443 c1243-4 (Link to this contribution) We have said—this was mentioned by my hon. Friend the Member for South Down—that we want national se...
Ben Wallace | 443 c1243 (Link to this contribution) Is it correct that irrespective of whether, through the triple lock, we devolve policing and justice...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 443 c1244-6 (Link to this contribution) I cannot give way, because I must complete the point. [Interruption.] I hope that it will be; we ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 443 c1243 (Link to this contribution) I certainly hope so, and I condemn the acts of criminality that are occurring. We want to ensure tha...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 443 c1243 (Link to this contribution) I will, but I want to make progress on these points.
Lord Hain | 443 c1173 (Link to this contribution) I shall leave the right hon. Member for North Antrim (Rev. Ian Paisley) to sort out his differences ...
Lord Hain | 443 c1174 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry if the hon. Gentleman felt that I had not answered his question. Of course this would be ...
John Bercow | 443 c1173 (Link to this contribution) The assumption of an order-making power as a matter of prudent proportion is one thing, but the mann...
Lord Hain | 443 c1173 (Link to this contribution) I am taking a power to do this because it is important to have that option available. I am not plann...
Lord Cormack | 443 c1173 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give an undertaking that he would not arbitrarily determine the date of ...
Lord Hain | 443 c1172-3 (Link to this contribution) I note the outrage that the hon. Member for Belfast, East (Mr. Robinson) expressed when he said that...
Lembit Opik | 443 c1172 (Link to this contribution) Does the Secretary of State accept that, if he and the Government are acting reasonably, they will g...
Peter Robinson | 443 c1172 (Link to this contribution) What does the hon. Gentleman think has happened on previous occasions?
Lord Bannside | 443 c1173 (Link to this contribution) The Liberal Democrats previously supported the changes that were made to election dates. I do not re...
Lord Hain | 443 c1173 (Link to this contribution) It is not something that I would want to do except with consent. The hon. Gentleman makes a reasonab...
Lord Hain | 443 c1174 (Link to this contribution) This has arisen partly out of the consultation with the Northern Ireland political parties. It is de...
Andrew Turner | 443 c1174 (Link to this contribution) I understand the objective that the Secretary of State seeks to achieve, but I do not understand why...
Lord Hain | 443 c1174-5 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I should enlist the hon. Gentleman to help me on the Front Bench to answer these questions f...
Peter Robinson | 443 c1174 (Link to this contribution) Is it not also the case that we are not comparing like with like? The registration process in Northe...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 443 c1175 (Link to this contribution) Can the Secretary of State clarify the role of the Electoral Commission? Clarity would be appreciate...
Sammy Wilson | 443 c1169-70 (Link to this contribution) Does the Secretary of State accept that the relationship between the security services and the polic...
Lord Hain | 443 c1170 (Link to this contribution) I have made sure that both the Police Service of Northern Ireland and the Security Service are satis...
Lord Hain | 443 c1169 (Link to this contribution) I do not envisage any tussles in public. I think that the situation will bed down quickly, as it has...
Lady Hermon | 443 c1169 (Link to this contribution) Can the Secretary of State clarify who will adjudicate on what is a matter of national security and ...
Lord Hain | 443 c1169 (Link to this contribution) These are matters that have been worked through with the Security Service. It is a fair question, bu...
Jeffrey M Donaldson | 443 c1169 (Link to this contribution) We understand what the Secretary of State is saying in relation to the integration of national secur...
Lord Hain | 443 c1169 (Link to this contribution) What I said, and it is helpful to clarify it for the right hon. Gentleman, is that security matters ...
Lord Bannside | 443 c1169 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether I caught the Secretary of State’s language. If I mistook what I thought he sai...
Lord Hain | 443 c1166-9 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. It is in the nature of adversarial politics...
Lord Hain | 443 c1171 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that that will be the case; otherwise, neither the Chief Constable nor the Security S...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1171-2 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State said that the Patten report did not recommend that national security should b...
Lord Hain | 443 c1172 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that interpretation. Paragraph 6.22 of the Patten report, although it did not go int...
Lembit Opik | 443 c1172 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State respond to the concern of Liberal Democrats on the opportunity to change...
Lord Hain | 443 c1171 (Link to this contribution) The Select Committee very appropriately made that point. We have recently seen events in the Repu...
Lord Cormack | 443 c1171 (Link to this contribution) A few moments ago, the Secretary of State used the phrase, ““pure crime””, which is slightly strange...
Ben Wallace | 443 c1171 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State said that no one has challenged the principle, but perhaps I may challenge th...
Lord Hain | 443 c1170 (Link to this contribution) Due to the relationship between the PSNI and the Security Service, what might have happened in the p...
Eddie McGrady | 443 c1170 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State has confused the issue. Given the complexity of intelligence gathering in Nor...
Lord Hain | 443 c1170-1 (Link to this contribution) I do not disagree with that proposition. I know that the hon. Gentleman agrees that it is difficult ...
Lembit Opik | 443 c1170 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the Secretary of State agrees that we will return to many of those points in Committe...
Laurence Robertson | 443 c1238-9 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, they may not even wait until night. I am sure that the House will endorse my hon. Friend’s c...
Jeffrey M Donaldson | 443 c1233 (Link to this contribution) I concur with the hon. Gentleman’s comments. Many people recognise with hindsight that many of the p...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 443 c1206 (Link to this contribution) Can my hon. Friend confirm my understanding that again there is a triple lock on the devolution of p...
Mark Durkan | 443 c1212 (Link to this contribution) I remind the hon. Gentleman that it was his party that agreed with Sinn Fein and the two Governments...
Lord Hain | 443 c1178-9 (Link to this contribution) It certainly is not off the table and the Bill may well be a vehicle for addressing those issues, wh...
Lembit Opik | 443 c1189 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that, like me, the hon. Gentleman is encouraged by the Secretary of State’s reassurance, b...
John Bercow | 443 c1173 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the Secretary of State did not mean to glide over the specific point of my question. ...
Subjects
Disclosure of information Criminal proceedings Devolved matters Administration of justice Decommissioning Amnesties Fraud Finance Elections Firearms Donors Energy Electricity Electoral register National security Northern Ireland Police Northern Ireland Assembly Political parties Terrorism Sustainable development Weapons Timetables Chief Electoral Officer for Northern Ireland Reserved matters Statutory instruments Northern Ireland Consolidated Fund
Legislation
Northern Ireland (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2005-06
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