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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 3 May 2006, in the House of Lords.

Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Bill [HL]

Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage second day. Grand Committee off the floor of the House (Moses room). Schedules 3-5 as amended agreed to. Clauses 6-50 agreed to, clauses 10,11,14,21,22,26-30,32,34,35,37,43-5 as amended. New clauses considered. Bill reported with amendments (Hl Bill 101 2005-06)

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
681 c223-82GC 
Session
2005-06
Department
Department for Education and Skills
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Adonis | 681 c270-1GC (Link to this contribution) I am devastated that I did not have the opportunity to respond to my noble friend on those earlier a...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 681 c268GC (Link to this contribution) I cannot call Amendment No. 130 because it has been pre-empted by Amendment No. 129. [Amendment No....
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Lord Harris of Haringey | 681 c267-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for that. I am not entirely sure that it significantly changes the ...
Baroness Thornton | 681 c276-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 162A: "After Clause 40, insert the following new clause—" ““SURRENDER OF PASS...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c276GC (Link to this contribution) It has to be probing in Grand Committee. I accept what the Minister has said, but, in the spirit of ...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c251-2GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. I most certainly agree with his final words. What concerns me is...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c249GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his comments. It seems that we are at one on various aspects of this. I wil...
Lord Adonis | 681 c261-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 117 to 123:"Page 46, line 18, after ““Children Act 1989 (c. 41)”” insert ““or ...
Lord Adonis | 681 c261GC (Link to this contribution) Until the noble Baroness spoke to her amendment, I was not exactly sure where she was coming from be...
Lord Adonis | 681 c260GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 114 to 115:"Page 14, line 29, leave out ““or the corresponding controlled acti...
Lord Adonis | 681 c242-6GC (Link to this contribution) As my noble friend has just said, we are covering a number of terms in the amendments that probe at ...
Baroness Greengross | 681 c237-8GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baronesses and the noble Lord for that eloquent description of something I feel ex...
Lord Adonis | 681 c271GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 148 to 151: "Page 21, line 24, after ““list,”” insert ““require IBB to””" "P...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 681 c270GC (Link to this contribution) I do not wish to oppose this clause. However, I would be grateful if my noble friend could give the ...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 681 c270GC (Link to this contribution) It has not been spoken to because we did not debate the group that related to Amendment No. 130, but...
Lord Adonis | 681 c269-70GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 134 to 139: "Page 18, line 27, leave out from ““activity”” to end of line 29 ...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 681 c268GC (Link to this contribution) In that case, I am grateful to my noble friend for that comment and I beg leave to withdraw the amen...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c278GC (Link to this contribution) I have to admit that I have not read the amendment and the proposed new clause. However, I thoroughl...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c278GC (Link to this contribution) I confess that I have read the amendment. I have two points to raise. The first relates to an issue ...
Lord Adonis | 681 c279-80GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 163 to 171: "Page 26, line 10, at end insert—" ““(   )   he receives a welf...
Lord Adonis | 681 c280GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 172 to 173: "Page 27, line 24, at end insert—" "““educational institution”” ...
Lord Adonis | 681 c273-4GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness has asked me a large number of questions. I am not sure, because I have not been ...
Lord Adonis | 681 c271-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 159: "Before Clause 38, insert the following new clause—" ““PROVISION OF INFO...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c275GC (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to Amendment No. 179 in this group. The amendment would ensure the consistent implem...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c274GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that full reply and look forward to anything further that he can provide. I...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c274-5GC (Link to this contribution) had given notice of her intention to move Amendment No. 162: "After Clause 40, insert the following...
Lord Adonis | 681 c251GC (Link to this contribution) My reply is the same as that to the debate on whether Clause 10 should stand part. While we certainl...
Lord Adonis | 681 c251GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that schools will do the same. They are progressively providing those facilities to parents.
Lord Adonis | 681 c248-9GC (Link to this contribution) My best response to the noble Baroness is to say that wherever we refer to a stick in the Bill, it i...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c260-1GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 116:"Page 16, line 1, at end insert—" ““(d) issue conditions to be complied wi...
Lord Adonis | 681 c264-6GC (Link to this contribution) Any concerns raised by my noble friend, who has vast experience in this area, we take with the utmos...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c256-7GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness withdraws her amendment, the Minister referred in the discussion of this g...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c257GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendment No. 103 not move...
Lord Adonis | 681 c257GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 106:"Page 8, line 43, leave out ““qualifying welfare services”” and insert ““wel...
Lord Adonis | 681 c246GC (Link to this contribution) Those are highly pertinent examples of failure to act and of neglect.
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c246-7GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. His words may set at rest the minds of both employers and employees. ...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c238GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 82:"Page 4, line 25, at end insert—" ““(   )   An individual commits an offenc...
Lord Adonis | 681 c239GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 83 and 84:"Page 4, line 41, leave out ““relating to children””""Page 4, line 4...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c236GC (Link to this contribution) I entirely accept that and hope that I did not word it in that way.
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 681 c236GC (Link to this contribution) I did not mean to imply that your Lordships were being offensive. People who are in receipt of direc...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c233-4GC (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak to Amendment No. 107. Clause 14 provides a list of activities that are exempt from t...
Lord Laming | 681 c232-3GC (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak to Amendment No. 79, which would remove the words ““or vulnerable adult””. It would ...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c236GC (Link to this contribution) First, I thank the noble Baroness for her response on Amendment No. 107, although I am not entirely ...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c231GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. I accept that, in his words, the social benefits are unquantifiable; ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 681 c228-9GC (Link to this contribution) If the Committee will excuse me, perhaps I may respond to a point made by the noble Lord, Lord Lamin...
Lord Adonis | 681 c228GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 74:"Page 44, line 30, at end insert—" ““(1A) An activity of a description fall...
Lord Adonis | 681 c223-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 61:"Page 41, line 35, at end insert—" ““ (5A) The exercise of a function of— (...
Lord Laming | 681 c225-6GC (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to Amendment No. 75. As the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, said, this amendment also...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 681 c226-7GC (Link to this contribution) We have intentionally sought to make the definition of regulated activity wide to provide protection...
Lord Adonis | 681 c262GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 126 and 127: Page 17, line 24, leave out subsection (3). Page 17, line 3...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c282GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. I am of course aware that the Government have been consulting on...
Lord Adonis | 681 c271GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 153 and 154: "Page 24, line 9, at end insert—" ““(   )   Her Majesty’s Chie...
Lord Adonis | 681 c271GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 156: "Page 24, line 15, at end insert—" ““(   )   The Secretary of State may ...
Lord Adonis | 681 c271GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 157 and 158: "Page 24, line 30, leave out from ““activity”” to ““and”” in lin...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 681 c270GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord cannot speak to Amendment No. 145 because Amendment No. 144 has already been agreed t...
Lord Adonis | 681 c271GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 147: "Page 20, line 39, leave out subsection (7)." On Question, amendment agre...
Lord Adonis | 681 c270GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 140: "Page 18, line 42, leave out ““27(2) or (3)”” and insert ““27 or (Personne...
Lord Adonis | 681 c268GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 131 and 132: "Page 18, line 7, leave out subsections (8) to (10)." "Page 18,...
Lord Adonis | 681 c268GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 129: "Page 18, line 3, leave out subsection (7)." On Question, amendment agree...
Lord Adonis | 681 c268GC (Link to this contribution) I think that the best assurance I can give my noble friend is that I will write to him on the specif...
Lord Adonis | 681 c280GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 174: "Page 28, line 3, leave out ““under paragraph 19”” and insert ““prescribin...
Lord Adonis | 681 c278-9GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may make two points in response to my noble friend, who has raised an issue of legitimate ...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c251GC (Link to this contribution) I object to Clauses 11 and 12 standing part of the Bill. I shall take the two together. My concerns ...
Lord Adonis | 681 c251GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 99 and 100:"Page 6, line 26, leave out ““relating to children””""Page 6, line ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 681 c254-6GC (Link to this contribution) The introduction of the new vetting and barring scheme marks a significant step forward in adult pro...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 681 c254GC (Link to this contribution) I have a great deal of sympathy with this group of amendments. Indeed, I am quite surprised that the...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c253-4GC (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak to Amendment No. 103 in this group. We touched on the spirit of this amendment in ou...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c252-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 102:"Page 8, line 33, leave out paragraph (a)." The noble Baroness said: In mov...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 681 c252GC (Link to this contribution) Before I call Amendment No. 102, I should tell the Committee that if Amendment No. 103 is agreed to,...
Lord Adonis | 681 c250GC (Link to this contribution) We are entirely at one with the noble Baroness in wishing to provide the maximum protection to all c...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c249-50GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 96:"Page 6, line 18, at end insert—" ““(   )   A self-employed individual in a...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c250-1GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. All I can say is that I hope that the online service comes on-st...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c247-8GC (Link to this contribution) I oppose the question that Clause 10 should stand part of the Bill because I believe it is excessive...
Lord Adonis | 681 c247GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 92 to 93:"Page 6, line 4, leave out ““relating to children””""Page 6, line 5, ...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c251GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister makes a very good point. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, w...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c261GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response, and look forward to his letter. I am so sorry he did not real...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c264GC (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Lord, Lord Harris. I recall the noble Lord referring to this point during Second...
Lord Adonis | 681 c267GC (Link to this contribution) The local authority must think both (a) and (b)—if my noble friend follows; it must think both that ...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 681 c267GC (Link to this contribution) That is very helpful. I am sure that the board will consider all the other matters. That may be suff...
Lord Adonis | 681 c257GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 108 and 109:"Page 8, line 45, leave out ““(8)”” and insert ““(8)(a), (b) or (e...
Lord Adonis | 681 c258-9GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness has made a number of good points; indeed she could hardly do otherwise since she ...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c259-60GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response. He is right to say that there may be a case for making a dist...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 681 c246GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for his assurances on this point and for the clarification he has j...
Lord Adonis | 681 c246GC (Link to this contribution) We certainly intend to produce guidance. On who will be providing direct information and assistance,...
Lord Adonis | 681 c238-9GC (Link to this contribution) The amendments seek to ensure that where individuals were not subject to vetting procedures as they ...
Lord Laming | 681 c242GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Harris, has given me the nod to attempt to speak to Amendment No. 142. If I mak...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c239GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response. I have written down the words ““Licensing Act””. I find it am...
Lord Laming | 681 c236-7GC (Link to this contribution) Like the noble Baroness, Lady Buscombe, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Royall, for a very...
Baroness Greengross | 681 c231-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 78:"Page 3, line 21, after ““services”” insert ““or through direct payments or i...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c231GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response. I accept, as I think all employers would, that the burdens ar...
Lord Adonis | 681 c229-31GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving me the opportunity to say a little more about the cos...
Lord Adonis | 681 c229GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 76:"Page 44, line 41, after ““(1)”” and insert ““, (1A)””" On Question, amendme...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c228GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her reply. I very much agree with her statement that she was in favour of i...
Lord Adonis | 681 c224GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 62:"Page 41, line 38, leave out ““or (5)”” and insert ““, (5) or (5A)””" On Que...
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c226GC (Link to this contribution) I have considerable sympathy for the amendments. I must confess that I have not looked at their draf...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 681 c262-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 128: Page 17, line 45, at end insert— "( ) The harm test may only be satisfie...
Lord Adonis | 681 c262GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 124 and 125: Page 16, line 11, leave out "reasonably" Page 16, line 20, ...
Lord Adonis | 681 c282GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 176 to 178: "Page 49, line 42, leave out ““21(4)”” and insert ““21””" "Page ...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 681 c270GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 145 has already been spoken to—
Lord Adonis | 681 c270GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 144: "Page 19, line 36, leave out subsection (8)." On Question, amendment agre...
Lord Adonis | 681 c268-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 133: "After Clause 27, insert the following new clause—" ““PERSONNEL SUPPLIER...
Lord Adonis | 681 c281-2GC (Link to this contribution) A provision of the kind envisaged by the noble Baroness would be unusual, although, I am told, not a...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c281GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 175: "Page 28, line 5, at end insert ““either with or without modifications””" ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 681 c278GC (Link to this contribution) I rise to break my silence on the Bill and to support the amendment. I want to ask the noble Barones...
Baroness Thornton | 681 c278GC (Link to this contribution) In the terminology I used, I tried to reflect what was in the Sexual Offences Act—but I am definitel...
Baroness Thornton | 681 c279GC (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for that fairly encouraging answer. The point about the three days’ duration...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c276GC (Link to this contribution) As I said, in view of the Minister’s commitment to come back with a government amendment on the duty...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c272-3GC (Link to this contribution) After that marathon, I rise to oppose that Clause 40 stand part of the Bill. The clause provides for...
Lord Adonis | 681 c275-6GC (Link to this contribution) As the noble Baroness, Lady Buscombe, said, I have given a number of assurances about the guidance i...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c256GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that explanation. However, I fail to see why someone who comes to a person’...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c247GC (Link to this contribution) In that case I am well satisfied and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, wi...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 681 c266-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am enormously grateful to my noble friend for that very full and thorough reply. We will come on t...
Lord Adonis | 681 c257GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 104:"Page 8, line 34, leave out ““a prison”” and insert ““an establishment in wh...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c257-8GC (Link to this contribution) I have given notice of my intention to oppose Clause 18 standing part of the Bill in order to probe ...
Lord Adonis | 681 c260GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 111 to 113:"Page 13, line 28, at end insert—" ““(   )   request the person w...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c246GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. On Amendment No. 85, the best way for a potential employee to fi...
Lord Adonis | 681 c246GC (Link to this contribution) I can certainly give my noble friend that assurance. We will do so.
Lord Laming | 681 c246GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for the Minister’s full and detailed reply, which was most reassuring. The noble ...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 681 c242GC (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak in support of Amendment No. 142, not because of any inadequacies in what the noble L...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c237GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness, Lady Greengross, withdraws the amendment, I should like to add my voice t...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c239-42GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 85:"Page 5, line 2, at end insert—" ““(   )   In subsection (7) an ““occasiona...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 681 c234-6GC (Link to this contribution) Crucial to this debate is the fact that direct payments are about putting individuals in control of ...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c232GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Greengross, raises a number of very important issues. I am sorry; I see tha...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c232GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful. I blame my cold—I was not quite on my toes. The noble Baroness, Lady Greengross, mak...
Lord Adonis | 681 c231GC (Link to this contribution) It will be part of the roll-out in 2008, when the new scheme is fully introduced.
Baroness Buscombe | 681 c229GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 77:"Page 3, line 16, at end insert—" ““(   )   Regulated activity providers wi...
Lord Laming | 681 c229GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful. [Amendment No. 75 not moved.]
Lord Laming | 681 c227-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that full reply. As she was going through it, I was a little uncer...
Baroness Lockwood | 681 c223GC (Link to this contribution) I shall begin by saying that if there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, this Commit...
Lord Adonis | 681 c224GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 65 to 67:"Page 42, line 26, leave out ““are made”” and insert ““exist””""Page ...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c224-5GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 73:"Page 44, line 30, at end insert—" ““(f) any service provided wholly or mai...
Subjects
Disability Children Disclosure of information Abuse Direct payments Employment Evidence Education Exemptions Employment agencies Internet Learning disability Northern Ireland Protection Parents Professions Mental capacity Monitoring Passports Vetting Vulnerable adults Training Sexual offences Regulation Travel restrictions Self-employed Independent Safeguarding Authority
Legislation
Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Bill (HL) 2005-06
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