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Legislative debate on Thursday, 20 July 2006, in the House of Commons, led by Tony McNulty. The answering member was Patrick Mercer.

Prevention and Suppression of Terrorism

Draft SI on Terrorism Act 2000 (proscribed organisations) (amendment). Debate on motion to approve. Agreed to on question.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
449 c490-509 
Session
2005-06
Department
Home Office
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Tony McNulty | 449 c492 (Link to this contribution) There certainly is; I agree with my hon. Friend. He will know that during the passage of the Bill th...
David Winnick | 449 c492 (Link to this contribution) I would have thought that most people, including those in the Muslim community, would say, ““It’s ab...
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Tony McNulty | 449 c492 (Link to this contribution) There is, so I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s comment. He will know that an order subject to t...
Julian Lewis | 449 c492 (Link to this contribution) Over the period in which the legislation has been in force, is there evidence that any of the groups...
Tony McNulty | 449 c490-1 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that there is any intention of introducing proscription orders over the recess. In th...
Lord Redwood | 449 c490 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister give the House an indication of how many other organisations are under intensive r...
Tony McNulty | 449 c493 (Link to this contribution) The narrow confines of the order relate only to the organisations that are being proscribed under th...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 449 c493 (Link to this contribution) May I ask about the removal of organisations from the proscribed list? Apart from the point that was...
Tony McNulty | 449 c493 (Link to this contribution) I cannot offhand, not least because the organisations that have been proscribed under the Terrorism ...
Mike Hancock | 449 c492 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister give us details of any charges that have been brought against individuals who have ...
Tony McNulty | 449 c490 (Link to this contribution) Again, I take my hon. Friend’s point. I shall not reconsider organisations that are already on the l...
Chris Bryant | 449 c490 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend explain why we have not got on today’s list the organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir, who...
Tony McNulty | 449 c490 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That the draft Terrorism Act 2000 (Proscribed Organisations) (Amendment) Order 2006, ...
David Marshall | 449 c490 (Link to this contribution) The order adds names to the list. Will the Minister explain what an organisation, once on the list, ...
Tony McNulty | 449 c490 (Link to this contribution) I take my hon. Friend’s point. This is not a definitive list in terms of proscription. There are any...
Andrew Dismore | 449 c493 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I could help my hon. Friend with a previous intervention. In fact, Anjem Choudry, one of the...
Tony McNulty | 449 c493 (Link to this contribution) I will leave it to my hon. Friend to give the oxygen of publicity to those people and their previous...
Rudi Vis | 449 c493 (Link to this contribution) I recall that in 2001 we had one vote on the proscription of 21 organisations. If any of those organ...
Tony McNulty | 449 c493-4 (Link to this contribution) No, there would not. No matter how many organisations are on the order, they are treated under law a...
Tony McNulty | 449 c495 (Link to this contribution) I understand what the hon. Gentleman is trying to say, but I shall not, with the indulgence of the H...
Evan Harris | 449 c495 (Link to this contribution) When the Minister cited that provision he did not read from the website of al-Ghurabaa, so it was no...
Mike Weir | 449 c494 (Link to this contribution) I have no dispute with the Minister about the proscription of TAK, but he has announced the proscrip...
Tony McNulty | 449 c495 (Link to this contribution) I assume that the hon. Gentleman was here at the start of my speech. I said very clearly that the or...
Evan Harris | 449 c494-5 (Link to this contribution) Paragraph 7.1 of the explanatory memorandum explains that under section 3 of the Terrorism Act 2000,...
David Drew | 449 c497 (Link to this contribution) I share the hon. Gentleman’s views about HUT, particularly about its statements, which it made openl...
Patrick Mercer | 449 c497 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. I entirely agree. I cannot understand why...
Lord Redwood | 449 c496 (Link to this contribution) How many organisations that are as bad as the ones that we are proscribing today should be proscribe...
Patrick Mercer | 449 c496-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend. The answer is that there are any number. As soon as I name on...
Patrick Mercer | 449 c495-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his statement and for giving us the facility to discuss the order before we...
Andrew Dismore | 449 c498 (Link to this contribution) I, too, welcome the statement by my hon. Friend the Minister for Policing, Security and Community Sa...
Patrick Mercer | 449 c498 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right, of course. Many of the questions that I have asked today may well be co...
Rudi Vis | 449 c498 (Link to this contribution) Organisations are sometimes not proscribed because it is easier for the police to keep an eye on the...
Patrick Mercer | 449 c498 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman. We had such discussions when we were serving together on the Defenc...
Mike Hancock | 449 c497 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the points that he is making are the issues that cause so much co...
David Heath | 449 c501-2 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman in one respect—that we must not proscribe organisations simply becau...
Evan Harris | 449 c502 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend. Arguably, section 3 of the Terrorism Act 2006 could also be used. He is...
David Heath | 449 c500-1 (Link to this contribution) I made that point at the time, and it does concern me. In debating such matters, we have to rely a g...
Mike Weir | 449 c501 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman, particularly in relation to Kurdish organisations. There has been o...
Andrew Dismore | 449 c498-9 (Link to this contribution) We are getting a little off the point. The serious issue is how we keep up with the continual name c...
Julian Lewis | 449 c498 (Link to this contribution) I cannot resist a brief trip down memory lane. Although it is true that Trotskyists and other far le...
Rudi Vis | 449 c500 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that very few Members had any idea of the basic information about more...
David Heath | 449 c500 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for the way in which he introduced the orders and for his offer of consultation...
Andrew Dismore | 449 c499-500 (Link to this contribution) I presume that my hon. Friend means Lebanon, which I have not mentioned, as I do not think that we h...
Rudi Vis | 449 c499 (Link to this contribution) Two members of Hezbollah are in the Government. It is a little difficult to proscribe part of the Go...
George Galloway | 449 c506 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I did not rise to the hon. Gentleman’s wholly gratuitous—...
Speaker | 449 c506 (Link to this contribution) I have not heard anything that is out of order. Members who make speeches must take responsibility f...
David Heath | 449 c502 (Link to this contribution) Under the terms of the order, which does not specify a section, I doubt whether a court would put su...
David Heath | 449 c503 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is right to take that view. I am not acting as an advocate for the organisation, I am s...
Lord Gove | 449 c504-5 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the Minister and the Government on proscribing al-Ghurabaa and the Saved Sect. Those ...
Andrew Mackinlay | 449 c503-4 (Link to this contribution) I refer to the explanatory memorandums that were before the House in 2001. Those documents were full...
Lord Gove | 449 c505 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for bringing me back to the matter under discussion, Madam Deputy Speaker. Why is the Mus...
Mike Hancock | 449 c508-9 (Link to this contribution) The Minister was extraordinarily grateful in taking interventions—[Hon. Members: ““Generous.””]. The...
Tony McNulty | 449 c509 (Link to this contribution) I think that the hon. Gentleman made a Freudian slip initially—I am certainly not grateful for that ...
Tony McNulty | 449 c507-8 (Link to this contribution) I take that point, too. I cannot, however, tag an order subject to the negative procedure to one sub...
David Heath | 449 c507 (Link to this contribution) I was about to intervene on the Minister to thank him for what he said, and to suggest that we need ...
Speaker | 449 c507 (Link to this contribution) That is not a matter for the Chair, and the debate can continue.
Crispin Blunt | 449 c507 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. My hon. Friend the Member for Surrey Heath (Mi...
Speaker | 449 c507 (Link to this contribution) Certainly, it is the convention of the House that Members stay and be present for both the opening a...
Gerald Kaufman | 449 c507 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Is not it a serious discourtesy to the House that the hon...
Tony McNulty | 449 c507 (Link to this contribution) I shall deal with the points raised in this very reasonable debate that were specifically about the ...
Mike Weir | 449 c506-7 (Link to this contribution) It is clear that terrorist organisations continually split up and change their names, and it is ther...
Tony McNulty | 449 c502-3 (Link to this contribution) Not least for the benefit of others who may go down that route, let me say that the PMOI currently h...
Tony McNulty | 449 c494 (Link to this contribution) I take the hon. Gentleman’s point, but in the context of the order, there is clear evidence against ...
Lord Gove | 449 c506 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Will the Minister ensure that, when these provisions are reviewed...
Speaker | 449 c505 (Link to this contribution) Order. May I remind the hon. Gentleman that we are discussing the groups that are named in the order...
Subjects
Appeals Assets National security Proscribed organisations Terrorism Teyrebaz Azadiye Kurdistan Saved Sect Baluchistan Liberation Army al Ghurabaa Statutory instruments
Legislation
Terrorism Act 2000 (Proscribed Organisations) (Amendment) Order 2006
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