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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Monday, 24 July 2006, in the House of Lords.

Armed Forces Bill

Armed Forces Bill. Lords Committee stage first day. Clauses 1-10 agreed to, clause 9 as amended. (Part 1 of 2)

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
684 c1592-610 
Session
2005-06
Department
Ministry of Defence
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Armed Forces Bill
Monday, 24 July 2006
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Lyell | 684 c1595 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend Lord Astor. He made a very competent and clear point on persons who should...
Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 684 c1595 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may take a second of the Committee’s time to say what a pleasure it is for all of us to se...
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Lord Drayson | 684 c1595-7 (Link to this contribution) I, too, am pleased to see the noble Lord, Lord Lyell, in his place. I am sure that the whole House w...
Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 684 c1597 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord for dealing with the points which I raised about the words ““la...
Lord Drayson | 684 c1592 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Moved acc...
Lord Astor of Hever | 684 c1592-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1: Page 1, line 7, after ““law”” insert ““or a civilian subject to service dis...
Earl Attlee | 684 c1593-4 (Link to this contribution) Before speaking to the amendments, I remind the Committee that I have an interest as a serving offic...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 684 c1597 (Link to this contribution) I support the Minister in his argument about not extending the offences in Clauses 1 and 2 to, "““ci...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 684 c1600 (Link to this contribution) I indicated that I propose to informally degroup it.
Lord Kingsland | 684 c1600 (Link to this contribution) I will reserve my remarks about Amendment No. 14 until it has been spoken to.
Lord Kingsland | 684 c1600 (Link to this contribution) I beg your pardon. Have I been premature in speaking now?
Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 684 c1599 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may feed into this brief discussion in the context of Amendment No. 9 by saying that justi...
Lord Kingsland | 684 c1599-600 (Link to this contribution) Often, on operations, an individual will be given an order to accomplish a mission that is phrased i...
Earl Attlee | 684 c1599 (Link to this contribution) My Amendments Nos. 11 and 12 are in this group. The Bill quite properly provides for an offence of o...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 684 c1598-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 9: Page 2, line 15, leave out ““use his utmost exertions to”” The noble Lord ...
Lord Astor of Hever | 684 c1597-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all those who have spoken to this group of amendments. I, too, should like to say h...
Lord Kingsland | 684 c1600 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may now say something about Amendment No. 14.
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 684 c1600-1 (Link to this contribution) I have not as yet made the case for Amendment No. 14, with the greatest respect. Perhaps I should in...
Lord Kingsland | 684 c1601 (Link to this contribution) I now understand the source of my confusion. From the fixture list, if I can refer to it as that, Am...
Lord Craig of Radley | 684 c1601 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, in his Amendment No. 10. The wording ““despondent...
Lord Drayson | 684 c1601-2 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, and a number other noble Lords have referred to the report ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 684 c1602-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate. I am persuaded that a very full ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 684 c1603 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 14: Page 3, line 5, at end insert- ““( ) It shall be a defence for a person ch...
Lord Garden | 684 c1600 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend in Amendment No. 10 and the question of ““despondent or alarmed””, which r...
Lord Craig of Radley | 684 c1606 (Link to this contribution) The word that I stumbled over when I read this amendment was ““prove””. The amendment says that the ...
Lord Bramall | 684 c1605 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree very much with the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, on this. This amendment is what the...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 684 c1605-6 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I might clarify my position, as we are in Committee. I remind the Committee that Flight-Lieu...
Viscount Slim | 684 c1606-7 (Link to this contribution) I come to some nuts and bolts with regard to the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford....
Lord Drayson | 684 c1607 (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 14 and 25 would make it a defence to any charge of obstructing operations or deserti...
Lord Kingsland | 684 c1604-5 (Link to this contribution) Two different situations are being described here which we must try to distinguish. The first is whe...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 684 c1604 (Link to this contribution) I oppose the amendment. Anyone who has been in a very tight corner where discipline is totally essen...
Lord Judd | 684 c1604 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, and hope that the Minister will give very serious...
Earl Attlee | 684 c1603 (Link to this contribution) I oppose this amendment. It is not the duty of junior officers to determine the legality or even the...
Earl Attlee | 684 c1609-10 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister’s response. My only difficulty, which I will have to think about care...
Earl Attlee | 684 c1608 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 15: Page 3, line 14, after ““any”” insert ““personal”” The noble Earl said: I...
Lord Garden | 684 c1608-9 (Link to this contribution) While I am generally sympathetic to the noble Earl’s approach to this question and to having consist...
Earl Attlee | 684 c1609 (Link to this contribution) I would just add that my amendment was targeted at servicemen, not civilians.
Lord Drayson | 684 c1609 (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 15 and 16 limit the offence of looting from a person to personal property, including...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 684 c1607-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his reply, and to all noble Lords who have taken part in this very...
Lord Garden | 684 c1594-5 (Link to this contribution) The Liberal Democrats have no amendments in this group, but I am sympathetic to the first eight amen...
Baroness Crawley | 684 c1610 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House be resumed. In moving this Motion, I suggest that the Committee stage b...
Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 684 c1606 (Link to this contribution) This amendment simply makes it a defence to prove that something is an unlawful enterprise. In some ...
Subjects
Disciplinary proceedings Disclosure of information Discipline Crime Armed forces Armed conflict Deployment Courts martial Civilians Desertion International law Officers Terrorism Theft Civil disorder
Legislation
Armed Forces Bill 2005-06
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