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Further Education and Training Bill [HL]

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Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

688 c309-72GC 

Session

2006-07

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee

Related items

Further Education and Training Bill (HL) . Explanatory notes HL Bill 6-EN also published.
Monday, 20 November 2006
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Adonis | 688 c372GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36: 36: After Clause 9 , insert the following new Clause— ““Directions In sect...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c320-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 4: 4: After Clause 1 , insert the following new Clause— ““Area partnership lea...

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Lord Northbourne | 688 c364-6GC (Link to this contribution) I also tried but failed to get the Public Bill Office to accept an amendment. It was not in exactly ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c354GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that I addressed these points when I read out the draft regulations, which include the Corpor...

Baroness Turner of Camden | 688 c349-50GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 23: 23: Clause 4 , page 4, line 16, leave out ““may”” and insert ““shall”” Th...

Lord Adonis | 688 c359GC (Link to this contribution) I can certainly reassure the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, that Clause 6 intends the word ““choice”...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c348GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. Having raised a similar subject on a number of occasions in your...

Lord Adonis | 688 c348GC (Link to this contribution) I do not have to hand the list of bodies to be consulted. As I say, these are draft regulations and ...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c312GC (Link to this contribution) We are not in favour of micromanagement either, so we certainly support at least the ethos, or princ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c311GC (Link to this contribution) The board can co-opt advisers but not additional full members of the council.

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c371GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his response. I had expected him to say very firmly that part-time...

Bishop of Manchester | 688 c368GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. As always he shows great sympathy for the issues raised from the...

Lord Northbourne | 688 c368GC (Link to this contribution) I do not agree with the noble Lord and I shall bring the matter back on Report.

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c370GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, has mentioned three very important groups—part-time students, the ve...

Lord Adonis | 688 c370-1GC (Link to this contribution) As the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, has said, part-time students are the lifeblood of many colleges. ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c325GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may, first, correct the noble Viscount, Lord Eccles, who referred several times to there b...

Lord Dearing | 688 c320GC (Link to this contribution) How did you know? As a sidelight on leisure learning, I happen to have been looking into languages. ...

Baroness Darcy de Knayth | 688 c360GC (Link to this contribution) Unfortunately, my noble friend Lord Low has had to leave, but I know that he wanted to speak on Clau...

Lord Adonis | 688 c361-2GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that the noble Baroness needs to apologise; the noble Lord, Lord Low, came in while s...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c362GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply and for reading from the statement of priorities. Everyone involv...

Lord Norton of Louth | 688 c367GC (Link to this contribution) On a technical point, there is a difference between saying something is not necessary and something ...

Lord Northbourne | 688 c367-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that there are several points. I am more concerned about disadvantaged pupils being prep...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c354GC (Link to this contribution) In drawing together the complexities that the noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, who is no longer in his p...

Lord Adonis | 688 c352GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lady Turner and other noble Lords spoke eloquently about the importance of the Londo...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c357GC (Link to this contribution) It occurs to me that if we are going to have directions given by the Secretary of State, directions ...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c342GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response to the amendments to which I spoke. The issue really boils do...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c343GC (Link to this contribution) I should like to point out that the role to be played by the sector skills councils in both the deve...

Lord Adonis | 688 c345GC (Link to this contribution) Was the noble Viscount speaking to Clause 3 stand part or to his Amendments Nos. 19, 22, 24 and 25?

Lord Northbourne | 688 c347GC (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief. I support the noble Viscount. I will be speaking on roughly the same subject in re...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c349GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendments Nos. 20 to 22 n...

Lord Adonis | 688 c326-7GC (Link to this contribution) There are a lot of figures here. It would be best for me to write to the noble Viscount to set out t...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c327-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister for his response. Before responding directly, I should like to ma...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c334-5GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response. Sub-paragraph (v) really extends from Section 10 of the Child...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c332GC (Link to this contribution) I have a great deal of sympathy with the thrust of this amendment, particularly proposed sub-paragra...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c340GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that reply. He has said where the areas of responsibility will be....

Viscount Eccles | 688 c339GC (Link to this contribution) I support the approach taken by the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp. She said in the course of her remark...

Lord Dearing | 688 c309-10GC (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Baroness. I understand why a chairman would be interested in having fewer mem...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c309GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1: 1: Clause 1 , page 1, line 6, leave out ““for ““12”” substitute ““10”””” an...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c311GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister. We will have to think about whether we want to bring this matter back. We feel...

Lord Adonis | 688 c312-3GC (Link to this contribution) I am devastated that the noble Baroness is not holding her breath for my reply to her amendment. I a...

Viscount Allenby of Megiddo | 688 c309GC (Link to this contribution) If there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Committee will adjourn as soon as th...

Baroness Crawley | 688 c372GC (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Thursday at 2 pm.

Lord Adonis | 688 c371GC (Link to this contribution) I undertake to consider that further. I appreciate the point that the noble Baroness is making.

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c371GC (Link to this contribution) With that undertaking, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Ame...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c369-70GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33: 33: Clause 7 , page 6, line 30, after ““receive”” insert ““part-time or fu...

Lord Norton of Louth | 688 c371GC (Link to this contribution) I am not persuaded by that argument. I cannot see what harm is being done. As the noble Lord said, t...

Lord Dearing | 688 c323GC (Link to this contribution) At Second Reading I spoke in support of a move to the regions, but I share the concerns expressed ab...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c320GC (Link to this contribution) I entirely take the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, about leisure and work, but I defy...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c320GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Viscount makes a very good point. One interesting feature is that people who go into leisu...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c319-20GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response but I find it rather disappointing. I do not think that he ans...

Lord Adonis | 688 c316-8GC (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with the noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, and the sentiments expressed by the noble Vis...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c315-6GC (Link to this contribution) Like the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp of Guildford, we support the noble Lord, Lord Leitch, in viewing...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c316GC (Link to this contribution) I know that this matter concerns priorities and money. However, the Minister will be aware that ther...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c313-5GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3: 3: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause— ““Main Duties of the Co...

Lord Low of Dalston | 688 c361GC (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister speaks, perhaps I may intervene briefly. I thank the Minister very much for his ...

Bishop of Manchester | 688 c363-4GC (Link to this contribution) In the absence of my friend the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Southwark, who is unable to be ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c367GC (Link to this contribution) There is no way in which I would want off-the-cuff to address an issue on which I would need to take...

Lord Northbourne | 688 c367GC (Link to this contribution) I should like to make the point that the noble Lord has not responded to anything that I said, excep...

Lord Adonis | 688 c368GC (Link to this contribution) I take the points made by the noble Lord and I will reply to them more fully, but it should be made ...

Baroness Turner of Camden | 688 c353GC (Link to this contribution) I thank everybody who contributed to this short debate. I think that everybody acknowledged the impo...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 688 c351-2GC (Link to this contribution) I associate myself with the amendment moved by my noble friend Lady Turner of Camden and with the re...

Lord Dearing | 688 c352GC (Link to this contribution) I too support the amendment. As the noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, said, the effectiveness of London a...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c350-1GC (Link to this contribution) As the noble Baroness indicated, the support for such a change goes wider than the current Mayor. I ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c357GC (Link to this contribution) Our objective is that the board’s strategy should be produced on the basis of wide consultation, eng...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c354-5GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27: 27: Clause 4, page 5, line 4, at end insert— ““( ) provision requiring the...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c354GC (Link to this contribution) I can do nothing other than to thank the Minister and say that I might well need to have a further d...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c341GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. I shall think about it.

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c344-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for his reply and agree with him that greater use of sector skill...

Lord Adonis | 688 c343-4GC (Link to this contribution) I entirely endorse the remarks of the noble Baroness about the importance of the sector skills counc...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c345GC (Link to this contribution) I have listened as carefully as I could to everything that has been said. I must admit to having bee...

Lord Adonis | 688 c346GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Viscount said that there had been a flood of words, most of which, I have to say, were fro...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c345GC (Link to this contribution) I was speaking to Clause 3 stand part.

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c347GC (Link to this contribution) I have a lot of sympathy with my noble friend’s amendments, and I hope that the Minister will reassu...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c328-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 7: 7: Clause 2, page 2, line 5, at end insert ““such that each council has bet...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c335-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10: 10: Clause 2 , page 2, line 46, leave out ““financial year”” and insert ““...

Lord Adonis | 688 c329GC (Link to this contribution) We agree with the noble Baroness that it is vital that both the national and the regional learning a...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c337-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 13: 13: Clause 2 , page 3, line 6, at end insert— ““( ) In preparing the guida...

Lord Adonis | 688 c336-7GC (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 10 and 11 and 15 to 17 tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, accord with the ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c340-1GC (Link to this contribution) When I write to the noble Viscount setting out the geographical areas that we expect the 150 local p...

Lord Adonis | 688 c339-40GC (Link to this contribution) I shall first deal with Amendment No. 41, where I can meet most of the issues raised by the noble Ba...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c311-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2: 2: After Clause 1 , insert the following new Clause— ““Role of the Council ...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c310GC (Link to this contribution) I join the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, in thanking the Minister for keeping us, as always, very w...

Lord Adonis | 688 c310-1GC (Link to this contribution) I was rather hoping that the noble Baroness would go on to give my answer for me; alas, she has left...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c311GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply, but there will already be an enormous amount of streamlining of ...

Lord Tordoff | 688 c372GC (Link to this contribution) The Committee stands adjourned until Thursday.

Lord Adonis | 688 c371GC (Link to this contribution) The question is whether it is necessary. We regard the Learning and Skills Council as a competent bo...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c324-5GC (Link to this contribution) Before I speak to the question whether Clause 2 should stand part of the Bill, I should like to set ...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c325-6GC (Link to this contribution) On administrative costs, the same letter sets the budget for 2007-08 at £219 million. I have to say ...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c322-3GC (Link to this contribution) In speaking to the second two amendments in the group, I refer back to the reference made by my nobl...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c318-9GC (Link to this contribution) If I was being disparaging—I thought I was being more despairing—I can assure the Minister that that...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 688 c316GC (Link to this contribution) I wish to underline that last point. The demography of our country is shifting significantly. As a c...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c313GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply, the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, for her support and my noble ...

Lord Norton of Louth | 688 c313GC (Link to this contribution) I have a general point to make. I appreciate the Minister’s point about not getting rid of the whole...

Lord Adonis | 688 c313GC (Link to this contribution) I think that I need to address the particular areas of service provision that the noble Lord has in ...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c366GC (Link to this contribution) We support what the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Manchester and the noble Lord, Lord Northbo...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c359-60GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 30: 30: Clause 6 , page 6, line 17, at end insert— ““(dc) act with a view to s...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c361GC (Link to this contribution) I will not say too much because the Minister is already aware from my comments earlier about the rin...

Baroness Darcy de Knayth | 688 c361GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to my noble friend for not realising that he was here. I knew that he had to go, and I l...

Lord Dearing | 688 c366GC (Link to this contribution) I should like to say a few words in support of the arguments put forward by the right reverend Prela...

Lord Adonis | 688 c368GC (Link to this contribution) That is a profound problem in the education service that we are seeking to address using the measure...

Lord Adonis | 688 c366-7GC (Link to this contribution) In response to the right reverend Prelate, we believe that further education colleges should take th...

Lord Northbourne | 688 c368GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord, but what happens to those children who have, as it is said, ““...

Lord Adonis | 688 c367GC (Link to this contribution) I sought to respond to the noble Lord when I replied to the right reverend Prelate. I took his remar...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c353-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 26: 26: Clause 4 , page 4, line 40, at end insert— ““(6A) In preparing the str...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 688 c352GC (Link to this contribution) I support this amendment. I shall not repeat the arguments that we have just heard, which I support,...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c359GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reassurance. I hope that the Government will move rapidly towards closi...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c357-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 29: 29: Clause 6 , page 6, line 17, at end insert ““of course and place of lea...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c356GC (Link to this contribution) I look forward to receiving the letter. There may well be a difference of view between us. As I said...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c356-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 28: 28: Clause 4, page 5, line 4, at end insert— ““( ) provision for securing ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c355-6GC (Link to this contribution) I was glad to hear the supportive remarks of the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, about the membership o...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c342-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 18: 18: After Clause 2 , insert the following new Clause— ““Sector Skills Coun...

Viscount Eccles | 688 c346-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 19: 19: Clause 4, page 3, line 37, leave out ““directions and”” The noble Vis...

Lord Adonis | 688 c347-8GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that I can address the concern raised by the noble Viscount, which was echoed by the two nobl...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c347GC (Link to this contribution) Having seen similar provisions in other legislation, I think I am right in saying that they have bee...

Lord Adonis | 688 c348-9GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may come back to this issue for the benefit of the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee. One of the...

Baroness Hamwee | 688 c348GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Viscount responds, I cannot help observing that the Secretary of State may give dir...

Lord Adonis | 688 c333-4GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, has made part of my speech for me. We think the amendment is, as th...

Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 688 c333GC (Link to this contribution) I see the point of such a body having a declared set of objectives, and proposed sub-paragraphs (i),...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c329-30GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for assuring me that these councils should include all those people we...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 688 c330-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 9: 9: Clause 2 , page 2, line 35, at end insert ““which must include a duty to...

Baroness Walmsley | 688 c337GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. On the first group of amendments, he was concerned that what we ...

Lord Adonis | 688 c341GC (Link to this contribution) The local authority will always be notified. I take it that it therefore has the right to express it...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c341GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his comprehensive reply and for addressing many of our concerns. However, w...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 688 c339GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 41 in this group is intended to ensure that local authorities remain involved in decis...

Subjects

Access Disability Costs Apprentices Adult education Employment Further education Greater London Greater London Authority Learning disability Learning and Skills Council for England Educational institutions Local government Qualifications Membership Public appointments Staff Part-time education Standards Training Religion Sector skills councils Labour market Regional councils London Skills and Employment Board

Legislation

Further Education and Training Bill (HL) 2006-07

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