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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 21 May 2008, in the House of Lords.

Health and Social Care Bill

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Parliamentary proceeding
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701 c529-94GC 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department of Health
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Thornton | 701 c577-8GC (Link to this contribution) New Section 45D(1) and (2) insert a safeguard into the domestic regulation-making power. That safegu...
Earl Howe | 701 c584-5GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 169: 169: Clause 123, page 70, line 28, at end insert— ““(ba) the infection or...
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Earl Howe | 701 c594GC (Link to this contribution) I am going to have to think very carefully about that one—that the significance of the risk is impli...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c557-8GC (Link to this contribution) There may be occasions when it is one of his colleagues’ responsibilities to solve the problem. That...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c551-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 142: 142: Clause 114, page 58, line 30, at end insert— ““(1A) Any person eligi...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c564-5GC (Link to this contribution) Before discussing the specific amendments I should point out that this measure is in the Bill becaus...
Baroness Stern | 701 c571-2GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendments Nos. 166 and 167 in the group. As the rest of the amendments in my name ...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 701 c529GC (Link to this contribution) Before we start, I have to make the usual announcement. If there is a Division in the Chamber while ...
Earl Howe | 701 c550-1GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way before she advises the Grand Committee on what sh...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c538GC (Link to this contribution) I understand that the GMC has been keen to separate the investigation from the adjudication, which i...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c581GC (Link to this contribution) I add my support to the principle behind this group of amendments. While I can see that you need to ...
Baroness Stern | 701 c584GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for her helpful answer and for agreeing to take away matters and look ...
Earl Howe | 701 c578GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness decides what to do with her amendment, I have a question. Am I not right t...
Earl Howe | 701 c580-1GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments that were so ably spoken to by the noble Baroness, Lady Stern. My comments ...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c594GC (Link to this contribution) I understand that the intention behind these amendments is to ensure that where there is an insignif...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c594GC (Link to this contribution) It may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until tomorrow at 12 noon.
Baroness Thornton | 701 c557GC (Link to this contribution) It may be appropriate that somebody else in the organisation does so.
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c554-5GC (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, these new sections codify and make statutory the position of the medical directo...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 701 c560-1GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 145: 145: Clause 114, page 61, leave out lines 37 to 39 and insert— ““(3) A st...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c560GC (Link to this contribution) I shall need to reflect on the questions that the noble Baroness asked, because she has made legitim...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c559GC (Link to this contribution) The medical director’s line of accountability will continue to be to the board. Clearly, responsible...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c567-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 155 and 156: 155: Schedule 9, page 170, line 42, after ““State”” insert ““ap...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c566GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 152: 152: After Clause 117, insert the following new Clause— ““Hearing Aid Cou...
Earl Howe | 701 c566-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 153: 153: Schedule 9, page 169, line 30, leave out ““any description of social...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c563-4GC (Link to this contribution) I would certainly like to speak to the amendment in my name but do so considering the generous invit...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c569GC (Link to this contribution) Has it occurred to the noble Earl that these powers already exist in the Civil Contingencies Act, wh...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c576GC (Link to this contribution) My understanding as a lay person is that the Civil Contingencies Act is there to deal with the gaps ...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c568GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 158 and 159: 158: Schedule 10, page 174, line 28, at end insert— ““ In secti...
Earl Howe | 701 c568-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 161: 161: Clause 123, page 68, leave out lines 15 to 17 The noble Earl said: ...
Earl Howe | 701 c529-31GC (Link to this contribution) We come now to the important subject of the standard of proof to be applied in fitness-to-practise p...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 701 c545GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that helpful reply. As we are in Committee, and we cannot divide in any cas...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c544-5GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 137 would amend the Dentists Act 1984 to allow retired dentists to remain on the denti...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c534-7GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 107 requires all the healthcare professions’ regulatory bodies and the new Office of the Heal...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c533-4GC (Link to this contribution) This is a terribly difficult issue and I was interested in the questions that my noble friend and th...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c532-3GC (Link to this contribution) As a member of the medical profession, although it is a long time since I practised, I was quite ple...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c531-2GC (Link to this contribution) I will speak also to the Question whether Clause 119 should stand part of the Bill. It is included i...
Earl Howe | 701 c538-9GC (Link to this contribution) This has been a useful debate. I thank the Minister for her reply. What doctors will want to be conf...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c577GC (Link to this contribution) Assessing risk is, ultimately, trying to predict an unknown. One of the difficulties when faced with...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c582-3GC (Link to this contribution) New Section 45L(3) of Clause 123 sets the maximum time for which a justice of the peace can order in...
Baroness Stern | 701 c578-9GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Earl, Lord Howe, for understanding so clearly what the Joint Committ...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c588-9GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendment No. 175 which is tabled in my name and the names of my noble friend Lady ...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 701 c586-8GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendment No. 175, which should have had my name attached to it but, for some reaso...
Earl Howe | 701 c593-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 170: 170: Clause 123, page 70, line 29, after ““a”” insert ““significant”” Th...
Baroness Murphy | 701 c589-90GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to be keeping people from their dinners, but I want to make a few points about this group...
Earl of Onslow | 701 c557GC (Link to this contribution) If the man is responsible for running something, why should it be the responsibility of somebody els...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c555-6GC (Link to this contribution) I do not want to say much on this issue, as it really has all been said; it has been put so elegantl...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c556-7GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 142 would place a requirement in the Bill for responsible officers to be registered wi...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c561GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 146: 146: Clause 114, page 61, line 44, leave out from beginning to end of lin...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c560GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for her reply. In light of that, I beg leave to withdraw th...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c559-60GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister and I am particularly grateful to the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and ...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c558-9GC (Link to this contribution) Is there not the potential here to undermine an organisation’s whole board of management? I cannot s...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c567GC (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend, and perhaps I may suggest that from now on he should join the Bill team.
Earl Howe | 701 c576GC (Link to this contribution) There was one question that I do not think the noble Baroness answered, although I thank her for her...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c573-5GC (Link to this contribution) As the noble Earl said, we now turn to Part 3. Clause 123 updates the Public Health (Control of Dise...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c575GC (Link to this contribution) I want to explore and get quite clear the relationship between the Civil Contingencies Act and these...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c550GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for the Minister’s clarification. I can see that the wording of my amendment woul...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c538GC (Link to this contribution) I accept what the noble Baroness says, but I shall read out a quotation from the report by Nigel Ple...
Baroness Stern | 701 c576-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 163: 163: Clause 123, page 68, line 46, leave out from ““unless”” to ““the”” i...
Baroness Stern | 701 c579-80GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 168: 168: Clause 123, page 70, line 19, after ““review”” insert ““by a magistr...
Baroness Stern | 701 c585-6GC (Link to this contribution) I would like briefly to speak to Amendments Nos. 173 and 174. Amendment No. 173 concerns the proport...
Earl Howe | 701 c593GC (Link to this contribution) This has been a good and interesting debate and I thank the Minister for her comprehensive reply, wh...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c590-2GC (Link to this contribution) Under the provisions of Clause 123, a justice of the peace must be satisfied that four criteria are ...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c558GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the Minister but I am extremely unhappy about this. She says that the respon...
Earl of Onslow | 701 c557GC (Link to this contribution) I heard the Minister say that the amendment would make responsible officers investigate every system...
Earl Howe | 701 c552-4GC (Link to this contribution) It is clear from my own recent discussions with the medical profession and bodies that represent doc...
Earl Howe | 701 c561-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 150: 150: Clause 116, page 63, line 25, leave out ““may”” and insert ““would, ...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c561GC (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the Committee do now adjourn for 10 minutes and that we reconvene at 5.57 pm. Mo...
Earl Howe | 701 c565-6GC (Link to this contribution) That was a helpful reply, which I shall have to reflect on. The example that she gave illustrates wh...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 701 c567GC (Link to this contribution) I am advised by colleagues that this is a pretty unprecedented moment. Amendment No. 153 would make ...
Earl Howe | 701 c567GC (Link to this contribution) This is extremely good news. I can only express my heartfelt gratitude to the Minister for having ac...
Baroness Murphy | 701 c572-3GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak briefly to probing Amendment No. 166A. I support the amendments of the noble Baroness,...
Earl Howe | 701 c569-71GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness makes an extremely important point. I was going to ask the Minister whether she c...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c545-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 139: 139: Clause 110, page 55, line 34, after ““general),”” insert — ““(a) ”” ...
Baroness Cumberlege | 701 c547-8GC (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend. I fear that I am boring for Britain on the subject of the independence of...
Earl Howe | 701 c546-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Amendments Nos. 139A and 141 are grouped with the amendment of the noble Baroness. Amendment No. ...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 701 c539-44GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 137: 137: After Clause 107, insert the following new Clause— ““Dentists regist...
Baroness Thornton | 701 c548-50GC (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 139 and 140 would widen the powers and duties of the Council for Healthcare Regulato...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c551GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendments Nos. 139A and 1...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 701 c537-8GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister made a statement on which I would appreciate some background. It was that the use, unti...
Earl Howe | 701 c539GC (Link to this contribution) The point that I am making is not so much about the theory as about the practice. We are in a transi...
Baroness Tonge | 701 c539GC (Link to this contribution) I accept what the noble Earl has just said, but would it not equally apply to all professionals? Tha...
Subjects
Disciplinary proceedings Disclosure of information Dental services Criminal proceedings Civil proceedings Cooperation Dentistry General Medical Council Health services Fees and charges Health professions HIV/AIDS General practitioners Misconduct NHS Magistrates' courts Non-departmental public bodies Registration Standards Regulation Social workers Council for Healthcare Regulatory Excellence General Dental Council Hearing Aid Council Statutory instruments
Legislation
Health and Social Care Bill 2007-08
National Assembly for Wales (Disqualification) Order 2006
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