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Debate on bill on Thursday, 6 November 2008, in the House of Lords.

Planning Bill

Planning Bill. Lords report stage first day.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
705 c329-53,362-428 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department for Communities and Local Government
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Related items
Planning Bill. As amended in Committee. (vote).
Thursday, 23 October 2008
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Hart of Chilton | 705 c334-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I oppose these amendments, which seek to make the IPC a referral body. I have carefully li...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 705 c336-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to be able to follow the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, because I, too, want the B...
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Lord Burnett | 705 c339-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I draw the House’s attention to my interests on the Register. My law firm carries out cons...
Lord Soley | 705 c337-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have not spoken before on this Bill, largely because I regard it as probably the most pr...
Lord Burnett | 705 c340 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my point is that there were no national policy statements. The inspector had nothing up to...
Lord Soley | 705 c340 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was not criticising the inspector in any way. I think that he did a good job. The issue ...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 705 c341-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, declare interests, which are in the Register. My law firm also deals with planning...
Lord Tyler | 705 c333-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to make a brief contribution to this very important debate. I think it is tr...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 705 c332-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment goes to the heart of the role of the Infrastructure Planning Commission whic...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c331-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not want to repeat all that I said at the Committee stage, but I will repeat what for...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c329-31 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1: 1: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, at end insert ““for the purpose of advising th...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c350-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a long, interesting and in some ways very detailed debate, which I find sadd...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c349-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will not give way to the noble Lord as I need to press on. While, of course, it will nee...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c347-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can answer that. At the moment, we have an end-to-end review—the Killian/Pretty review—w...
Lord Burnett | 705 c347 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for giving way. I think there is consensus around the H...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c345-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am extremely grateful to everyone who has spoken in this debate. The noble Lord, Lord Wi...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 705 c344 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I promise the Minister that I will be brief, particularly at this stage and hour. I am gra...
Lord Cobbold | 705 c362-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3: 3: Clause 1, page 1, line 7, at end insert— ““( ) There is to be a body of ...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 705 c354 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving this Motion, I sugg...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c396-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 18: 18: Clause 5, page 3, line 22, leave out ““suitable (or potentially suitab...
Bishop of Liverpool | 705 c395 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to the debate on this group of amendments....
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c394-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have spent the past three weeks giving help to all sides of the House. The noble Earl is...
Earl of Caithness | 705 c394 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the Minister give further consideration before the next stage to the amendment that w...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c393 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that is right. I am sure that is what is meant. Only two weeks ago, noble Lords we...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c392-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister leaves that point, one of the essential features of the decisions that...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 705 c390 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, how does the Minister reconcile what he has just said with the actual words in the amendme...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c387-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Cameron of Dillington, has reminded me that I also should have repeat...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 705 c387 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Liverpool in his amendments on climate ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c389 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the Minister considering the right question when he says that it is a matter for the IP...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c388-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a great pleasure to respond to this group of amendments. I know that my noble friend...
Lord Reay | 705 c383-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am quite happy to do that. I start by repeating an interest, which I declared in Committ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c385-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, to follow what my noble friend Lord Reay said, it has often been said that the Government ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c383 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am in the hands of the House. As I will also respond to other amendments, is the noble L...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c389 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I well understand the noble Lord’s point, but it does not detract from the general thrust ...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c379-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased to have an opportunity to return to this matter. On the great tribute that th...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c379 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, returning to the Disability Discrimination Act, the noble Baroness has described to me the...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c378-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 17A: 17A: Schedule 1, page 143, line 2, at end insert— ““Disability Discrimina...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c382-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my pager message says that we are in contempt of the amendments, but it meant content. We ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 705 c382 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment moved by the right reverend Prelate, which would strengthen the Bi...
Bishop of Liverpool | 705 c381-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 17B: 17B: Clause 5, page 3, line 13, at end insert— ““(3A) Before designating ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c380 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that and for the Minister’s apology for not being able to produce the an...
Baroness Northover | 705 c383 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I join my noble colleague Lady Hamwee in supporting the right reverend Prelate’s amendment...
Lord Reay | 705 c383 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have tabled an amendment to a government amendment in this group. Would the Minister lik...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c374 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a very useful and helpful discussion. Indeed, the noble Baroness went a long...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c376 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the compliment, and I am very glad to see the government amendment, whic...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c374-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 17: 17: Schedule 1, page 140, line 1, leave out ““42(2)”” and insert ““(Guidan...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c377 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, raised a very important point. I can reassure him that we are...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c376-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that it will not be too tedious if I raise again the question that I raised in Comm...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c377-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the government amendments are, indeed, helpful, but my noble friend Lord Jenkin of Roding ...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 705 c377 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for listening to what I said in Committee and for reacting to it. I a...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c378 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can probably surprise all noble Lords by showing how fast this Government work. Since my...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c378 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, I am sure he realises that ““in the first half of next ye...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c378 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I completely agree with the noble Lord, but I am reassured by the fact that we have starte...
Lord Cobbold | 705 c366-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response, but it is very disappointing. I am grateful to the...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c367 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 7 to 15: 7: Schedule 1, page 138, line 29, after first ““making”” insert ““o...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c364 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is no doubt that ““council”” has a particular connotation, which does not apply in t...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c364-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we all have a sense of déjà vu and frustration about this. The noble Lord has pursued the ...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c363 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment No. 6 in this group is in my name. The noble Lord, Lord Cobbold, did a most vali...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c363-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the group contains government amendments to the schedule which aim to deal with the diffic...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c370-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an important group of amendments, and I am grateful for the support for our amendm...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c369-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, am puzzled by the proposal in government Amendment No. 94 and I look forward to he...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c369 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is a major issue other than public confidence: making sure that evidence is tested. ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c367-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 16: 16: Schedule 1, page 139, line 20, at end insert— ““11A (1) The Secretary ...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c427 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36: 36: Clause 9, page 5, line 29, leave out ““the House of Commons”” and inse...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c427 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an extremely interesting, helpful and clarifying debate, because we have mad...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c425-6 (Link to this contribution) Yes, they will indeed, my Lords. They will have legal effect, but they are not legislation in the wa...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c421 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I did not make myself clear, it is because I feel very strongly on these matters. Perha...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 705 c421 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it may be my fault, but I fail to understand the noble Lord’s point about the approval of ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c421 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness has never been a Member of the House of Commons, which is the main deci...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c425 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the noble Baroness remember saying in an earlier debate on this subject that planning...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c423-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a powerful and enjoyable debate. I am grateful to everyone who has taken part....
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 705 c422-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as this is the first time I have spoken as opposed to intervening at this stage, I declare...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c421-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Dixon-Smith, said that his version was shorter and simpler, which may...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c417-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, sometimes that might be the nature of progress. On many occasions, this House has been pre...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 705 c418 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, put my name to Amendments Nos. 34 and 35 because I believe that Clause 9 is at the...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 705 c418 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I indicated in relation to Amendment No. 1, I attach a great deal of importance to the ...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 705 c417 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what does the noble Lord envisage happening if one House should approve and the other shou...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c417 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I admit that that would cause a great deal of difficulty, and I have not gone through that...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c418-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I spoke strongly in favour of the sense of this amendment in Committee. I have been reread...
Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 705 c419 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. If my memory is correct, we had a similar ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c419-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what has happened to casinos since then? Well, who was right? If the Government had been c...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c413 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 28 and 29: 28: Clause 6, page 3, line 42, at end insert— ““(1A) A review may...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c413-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 31: 31: Clause 8, page 5, line 15, leave out second ““or”” The noble Lord sai...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c412 (Link to this contribution) Not at all, my Lords. I almost forgot to address Amendment No. 40. I have some sympathy with the nob...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c412-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I implied at the beginning of the debate that we were in a chicken-and-egg situation. If w...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c412 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should be grateful if the noble Baroness will do that. The note that she kindly sent on ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c416-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 34: 34: Clause 9, page 5, line 21, at end insert ““for the approval by affirma...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c416 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 32: 32: Clause 8, page 5, line 17, at end insert— ““(g) a National Park author...
Lord Judd | 705 c415 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hardly need to be urged to thank my noble friend for the amendment. It is good that it i...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 705 c415-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak briefly to the amendments in the name of my noble friend Lord Berkeley, who ...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c406 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 23: 23: Clause 5, page 3, line 31, at end insert— ““(5A) If a national policy ...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c406 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 25: 25: Clause 5, page 3, line 33, at end insert— ““(6A) The reasons must (in ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 705 c406-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27: 27: Clause 6, page 3, line 40, at end insert— ““( ) The Secretary of State...
Earl of Caithness | 705 c407 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when the Minister speaks to her Amendment No. 28, will she explain why it is necessary to ...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c407 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have Amendment No. 40 in this group. It would amend Clause 11, which lists points reflec...
Duke of Montrose | 705 c407-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not have an amendment down in this group, but I understand that all noble Lords who h...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 705 c408-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not intended to speak but, given the comments made by the noble Duke, the Duke of Mo...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c409-11 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that intervention from such an expert. We talk about expertise in the Ho...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c412 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know how long it would take. If the NPS is suspended, the IPC will refer decision...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c398-401 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend is right that important issues have been raised by the noble Baroness. I a...
Baroness Hamwee | 705 c401-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for that. I will not press the point on the statutory undertaker, although I...
Lord Judd | 705 c398 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at the outset of my remarks, it is appropriate to say to the noble Baroness that were she ...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c404-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for that remark; she put the position more powerfully tha...
Earl Cathcart | 705 c402-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 21: 21: Clause 5, page 3, line 31, at end insert— ““( ) set out the flood risk...
Earl of Caithness | 705 c403-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment. I referred to flooding at Second Reading and, given...
Earl Cathcart | 705 c406 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister. I presume that the IPC would have to look at flooding and ask whethe...
Earl Cathcart | 705 c405-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Caithness for his support. From the Minister’s reaction, I se...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c406 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Earl withdraws the amendment, I should like to make a clarification to en...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c427 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 37: 37: Clause 10, page 5, line 41, at end insert— ““(3) For the purposes of s...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 705 c428 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that consideration on Report be now adjourned. Moved accordingly, and, on Q...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c428 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 38 and 39: 38: Clause 11, page 6, line 2, after ““that”” insert ““the condit...
Baroness Andrews | 705 c428 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 41: 41: Clause 11, page 6, line 11, after second ““statement”” insert ““or the...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 705 c340-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I oppose the amendments, and I do so for the reasons that I explained before when we spoke...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 705 c344 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having listened carefully to the noble Lord, Lord O’Neill of Clackmannan, it occurs to me ...
Baroness Whitaker | 705 c384-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the focus returns to climate change, perhaps I may support Amendments Nos. 23 and 3...
Baroness Whitaker | 705 c420 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I interrupt the noble Lord with great timidity. When I was briefed as a civil servant on h...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 705 c416 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I gave a silent welcome to some of the Government’s earlier amendments, such as Amendments...
Baroness Ford | 705 c404 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not recognise the caricature of PPS25 in the way it has been described today. In my e...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c335-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a long-running argument. It has run through the debates in another place and...
Lord Best | 705 c343-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am wondering what is left for me to add in opposition to these amendments. Perhaps I may...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c390-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my reading of the amendments tabled by the right reverend Prelate is that it is a requirem...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 705 c417 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the noble Lord suggest, from the Conservative Front Bench, that an unelected House of...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 705 c411 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the noble Baroness can clarify something for me. If there is to be a review in whole or ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 705 c393-4 (Link to this contribution) Good; that is a good start, my Lords. The point about regional matters was very well put. I very muc...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 705 c386-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group is a bit of a jumble containing amendments on climate change, important landsca...
Subjects
Disability Devolved matters Accountability Climate change Countryside Cultural heritage Airports Design Legal profession Environment protection Infrastructure Legislation Floods Local government Ministerial powers Planning permission Public appointments Planning Publicity Railways Parliamentary scrutiny Public participation Passenger transport executives National parks Scotland Transport Regional planning and development Sustainable development Wind power Broads Authority Infrastructure Planning Commission National policy statements
Legislation
Planning Bill 2007-08
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