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Grand Committee proceedings (HC) on Thursday, 20 October 2011, in the House of Commons, led by Cheryl Gillan. The answering member was Lord Hain.

Work Programme (Wales)

The Government's Work programme and its implications for Wales. Debate by the Welsh Grand Committee. (Committee sitting in Wrexham). Resolved that the Committee has considered the matter. Agreed to on question.

Secondary information

Type
Grand Committee proceedings (HC)
Reference
WGC c15-66 
Session
2010-12
Department
Wales Office
Committee
Welsh Grand Committee
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons Grand Committees
Proceeding contributions
Nia Griffith | WGC c40 (Link to this contribution) What comparison has the hon. Gentleman made between the figures he has for Wales and those for compa...
Alun Cairns | WGC c40 (Link to this contribution) The Thatcher years completely transformed the economy and structure in Wales in a positive way. I wa...
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Chris Ruane | WGC c44 (Link to this contribution) I will start positively, from a local perspective, and discuss the successful back-to- work initiati...
Hywel Williams | WGC c32 (Link to this contribution) (Translation) : As I said earlier, this is a long-term problem and we need long-term answers, which ...
Chris Ruane | WGC c32 (Link to this contribution) I can confirm that, according to an answer to a parliamentary question that I tabled, that was also ...
Karen Lumley | WGC c25 (Link to this contribution) Has the shadow Minister actually costed all of that? How much will it cost the British taxpayer?
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c21 (Link to this contribution) I agree entirely with my hon. Friend. I hear from businesses across Wales and the United Kingdom tha...
Chris Ruane | WGC c47-8 (Link to this contribution) I do not know what the Secretary of State has against graduates getting jobs. If lots of time has be...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c16 (Link to this contribution) It was not a Welsh Grand Committee, no, because I thought it was more urgent than that. It was a spe...
Ian Lucas | WGC c16 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way and I do not want to detain her, but I cannot...
Alun Cairns | WGC c39 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to contribute to this important debate and to serve under your chairmanship here in...
Sian C James | WGC c37-9 (Link to this contribution) Diolch yn fawr. I am certain that each and everyone of us in attendance here today is a realist. ...
Roger Williams | WGC c36-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that assistance. I saw him come in with some figures; I knew he had some ...
Elfyn Llwyd | WGC c40 (Link to this contribution) Would the hon. Gentleman care to tell us about the huge and sparkling economic successes of the That...
Alun Cairns | WGC c40 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady for raising that point, because I will be coming on to it, particular...
Alun Cairns | WGC c39-40 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree more with my hon. Friend. This debate is extremely important. The unemployment ...
David TC Davies | WGC c40 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend cast his mind back to when the entire country was on strike and on the brink of ...
Alun Cairns | WGC c40-1 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree more with my hon. Friend. He has reminded us of the context and the legacy that wa...
Alun Cairns | WGC c42-3 (Link to this contribution) I certainly will. I point to the Jaguar Land Rover investment in the midlands as one success. I spok...
Ian Lucas | WGC c42 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give us some evidence to substantiate his claim that enterprise zones have b...
Alun Cairns | WGC c43-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that question because I can nail it once and for all. It could not have happened b...
Chris Ruane | WGC c43 (Link to this contribution) On objective 1, why did the hon. Gentleman’s Conservative Government not put in for this objective 1...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c44 (Link to this contribution) When I was in Rhyl market, I had the opportunity to taste the products of the Taste Academy. I thoug...
Alun Cairns | WGC c46 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for making that point, but does he not recognise in the data tha...
Chris Ruane | WGC c44-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Lady for that positive contribution. She mentioned Rhyl market, which we set ...
Chris Ruane | WGC c46 (Link to this contribution) Policy should be dovetailed with every initiative. As I was saying on the Rhyl city strategy, when 6...
Roger Williams | WGC c32 (Link to this contribution) There is some truth in the hon. Gentleman’s point, but often people are unemployed when employment i...
Hywel Williams | WGC c32 (Link to this contribution) (Translation) : I welcome that point. Improvements to infrastructure are important, but we have not ...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c32 (Link to this contribution) Like the hon. Member for Brecon and Radnorshire, I feel as though I am driving on the right-hand sid...
Hywel Williams | WGC c31-2 (Link to this contribution) (Translation) : The right hon. Gentleman makes an excellent point. I shall address it later when I r...
Hywel Williams | WGC c33 (Link to this contribution) (Translation) : I wish I had thought of that. That is a very concise way of putting it.
Alun Cairns | WGC c33 (Link to this contribution) (Translation) : The hon. Gentleman mentioned promoting the private sector to create jobs. Does he ag...
Hywel Williams | WGC c32-3 (Link to this contribution) (Translation) : That is a valid point, and I referred to that earlier. We must all raise our game; i...
Jessica Morden | WGC c33 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the report points to the fact that the Work programme runs the ve...
Chair of Welsh Grand Committee | WGC c34 (Link to this contribution) Order. The sitting is suspended until 2 pm.
Hywel Williams | WGC c33-4 (Link to this contribution) (Translation) : I am sure that if we carry on with that kind of comment Mr Havard will intervene. It...
David Jones | WGC c34 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the hon. Gentleman is saying about VAT. Does he agree that builders are particularly wor...
Hywel Williams | WGC c34 (Link to this contribution) (Translation) It is lovely to speak again under your chairmanship, Mr Caton. I shall be brief becaus...
Chris Ruane | WGC c33 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that, under the Tories, it is a job to get work?
Hywel Williams | WGC c33 (Link to this contribution) (Translation) : That is an interesting point, but research from the ’80s shows clearly that one of t...
Hywel Williams | WGC c34-5 (Link to this contribution) (Translation) I declare an interest. I intend to repair my house in the near future. Building regula...
Roger Williams | WGC c35-6 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Caton. To respond to the point made by the ...
Alun Cairns | WGC c36 (Link to this contribution) I draw my hon. Friend’s and the Committee’s attention to figures on GCSE performance published today...
Elfyn Llwyd | WGC c23 (Link to this contribution) I support the right hon. Gentleman’s remarks, but I ask him to address the cuts to the public sector...
Lord Hain | WGC c23-5 (Link to this contribution) I could not have put it better than the right hon. Gentleman has and I completely agree with him. Fo...
Chris Ruane | WGC c26 (Link to this contribution) thank my right hon. Friend for giving way. I have a document here from the WCVA on youth unemploymen...
Lord Hain | WGC c25-6 (Link to this contribution) There was a serious problem with young people not in education, employment or training. We introduce...
Jonathan Evans | WGC c25 (Link to this contribution) Surely the right hon. Gentleman is not alleging that the Joseph Rowntree Foundation or the Prince’s ...
Lord Hain | WGC c25 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend says, it will cost a lot less than the £46 billion rise in the deficit. We have co...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c26-7 (Link to this contribution) I have been listening carefully to the right hon. Gentleman and he is wrong to caricature any Govern...
Lord Hain | WGC c26 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend’s evidence, which the Secretary of State and her colleagues are inadvertently or deli...
Lord Hain | WGC c27 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State is simply not aware of the facts on the ground. They are exactly as I have de...
Stuart Andrew | WGC c27 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman not agree that the Government’s plans will remove the 16-hour rule, wh...
Lord Hain | WGC c27-8 (Link to this contribution) I agree with removing the 16-hour rule. The hon. Gentleman makes a fair point. The problem, as has b...
Chair of Welsh Grand Committee | WGC c28 (Link to this contribution) Order. I intend to call Mr Hywel Williams next. You indicated earlier, Mr Williams, that you wish to...
Hywel Williams | WGC c28 (Link to this contribution) (Translation): Thank you very much, Mr Havard. I hope that the people listening through the translat...
Hywel Williams | WGC c29 (Link to this contribution) (Translation): If I may say so, I was tempted to make the same joke, but I decided it was wiser not ...
David Jones | WGC c29 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has commented on the crest above your head, Mr Havard. It is worth recording that...
Hywel Williams | WGC c29-31 (Link to this contribution) (Translation) : Yes. I was driving in Sicily, Italy, this summer, and I can guarantee that it is not...
Roger Williams | WGC c29 (Link to this contribution) Intervening in English on a speech in Welsh is, I have found, a bit like driving a right-hand drive ...
Lord Hain | WGC c31 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for allowing me to intervene; diolch yn fawr. He makes a valid point. If ...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c19 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry but I do not think that remark is worth acknowledging. The Prime Minister of the United K...
Chris Ruane | WGC c19 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way on the subject of Sharp?
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c20 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for making that point. I was looking at these figures. He must h...
Ian Lucas | WGC c20 (Link to this contribution) On the key question of job creation, I give credit to the Government that in May this year they crea...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c20 (Link to this contribution) No. Governments do not create jobs, contrary to popular opinion; their job is to create the right...
Chris Ruane | WGC c20 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way on that point?
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c19-20 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention. I certainly talk about Flintshire business week because it is a...
Hywel Williams | WGC c19 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Lady and I hope to make a positive point about Flintshire business w...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c19 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way to the hon. Member for Vale of Clwyd, because I am not sure his intervention wil...
Hywel Williams | WGC c19 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Chris Ruane | WGC c20 (Link to this contribution) Don’t patronise us. The Secretary of State is patronising us all.
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c20 (Link to this contribution) I can assure the hon. Gentleman that saying that from a sedentary position is really—
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c21-2 (Link to this contribution) I do understand and I have a great deal of sympathy. As the hon. Lady knows, the full roll-out of th...
Jessica Morden | WGC c21 (Link to this contribution) Before the Secretary of State concludes her remarks, will she talk about a group referred to by the ...
Lord Hain | WGC c22-3 (Link to this contribution) I welcome you to the Chair, Mr Havard, and thank the people of Wrexham and the county council for ho...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c20 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to my hon. Friend.
Jonathan Evans | WGC c20-1 (Link to this contribution) I caution my right hon. Friend against being drawn down this road by the Opposition, who are a bunch...
David TC Davies | WGC c48 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman not accept that any growth was based entirely on borrowing and that we canno...
Chris Ruane | WGC c48 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is speaking as though unemployment is a price worth paying. I have been reminded ...
Lord Hart of Tenby | WGC c49 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the Committee for my late arrival and that of my hon. Friend the Member for Vale of G...
Ian Lucas | WGC c49 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Chairman. Is it in order that two Members who were not here at the beginning...
Stuart Andrew | WGC c47 (Link to this contribution) However, when the hon. Gentleman turns the argument on something so important into that sort of pers...
Chris Ruane | WGC c47 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is very lucky to have come off long-term unemployment as a Conservative MP. I am ...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c47 (Link to this contribution) May I put the hon. Gentleman right on the future jobs fund? I would not want him to leave this Commi...
Stuart Andrew | WGC c46 (Link to this contribution) I enjoy seeing the hon. Gentleman and his colleague, the hon. Member for Wrexham; they are like Labo...
Chris Ruane | WGC c46 (Link to this contribution) Well, that is better than Laurel and Hardy.
Ian Lucas | WGC c53 (Link to this contribution) I am terribly sorry, but, because of the behaviour of Back Benchers, we have limited time.
Ian Lucas | WGC c53 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to have the opportunity to discuss the Work programme, which is an important issue, and...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c53 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Hart of Tenby | WGC c51-2 (Link to this contribution) I was about to say something that the hon. Gentleman might find helpful. There is worry that an area...
Chair of Welsh Grand Committee | WGC c52 (Link to this contribution) I want to start the winding-up speeches at 3.35 pm, and three hon. Members have indicated that they ...
Lord Hart of Tenby | WGC c50-1 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has obviously not had the same conservation with the FUW that she had with NFU Cymru. ...
Ian Lucas | WGC c51 (Link to this contribution) Unlike the United Kingdom Government.
Lord Hart of Tenby | WGC c49-50 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Caton. As I attempted to make clear, I apologise to the Committee for my late arrival,...
Nia Griffith | WGC c50 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware that the Farmers Union of Wales is most perturbed that the Agricultural ...
Chair of Welsh Grand Committee | WGC c49 (Link to this contribution) That is not really a point of order. Who is called is up to the Chair. I hope that everybody who has...
Chair of Welsh Grand Committee | WGC c15 (Link to this contribution) Clearly we have until 1 o’clock for the discussion to take place and then the meeting will suspend. ...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c15 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Committee has considered the matter of the Government’s Work programme an...
Elfyn Llwyd | WGC c15-6 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady is right and I agree with everything that she has said, although I am a little c...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c16 (Link to this contribution) I am surprised that the right hon. Gentleman still makes that point, because he knows that I arrange...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c16 (Link to this contribution) No, I am not embarrassed about the policy in the slightest. In fact, I disagree with the hon. Gentle...
Chris Ruane | WGC c16 (Link to this contribution) Why was the Secretary of State not present? What was more pressing than the biggest constitutional c...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c17-8 (Link to this contribution) Forgive me, Mr Havard. I thought my comment was on the work programme for MPs and that you were lett...
Chris Ruane | WGC c18 (Link to this contribution) I was at that meeting, too, last night. The powerhouse of the Flintshire economy is Airbus. Airbus w...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c16-7 (Link to this contribution) Interestingly, I thought that this was of such importance to Wales that I asked my hon. Friend the U...
Chair of Welsh Grand Committee | WGC c17 (Link to this contribution) Order. That was a useful exchange in the spirit of what was discussed earlier, but as we are now in ...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c18 (Link to this contribution) I think the hon. Gentleman fundamentally misunderstands. I have no problem with the Government inter...
Nia Griffith | WGC c59 (Link to this contribution) No, I have not got time, because the hon. Member for Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire took up...
Chair of Welsh Grand Committee | WGC c66 (Link to this contribution) May I conclude proceedings by repeating the thanks of the Committee to the council staff, the police...
Nia Griffith | WGC c63 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
David Jones | WGC c63-5 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. The hon. Lady would not give way and little time is left to me. The fact is that the...
Lord Hain | WGC c63 (Link to this contribution) Our credit rating was good under Labour.
David Jones | WGC c63 (Link to this contribution) The credit card was heavily used under Labour. Furthermore, we have created regional growth funds, c...
Nia Griffith | WGC c59-62 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will be leading the next Iceland or marketing or whatever it is. We heard from my hon...
David Jones | WGC c62-3 (Link to this contribution) (Translation ): I am sure that I speak on behalf of the whole Committee when I say that it is a plea...
Cheryl Gillan | WGC c53 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to be in the hon. Gentleman’s constituency, and I have been as warm to him as possibl...
Elfyn Llwyd | WGC c57 (Link to this contribution) (Translation) One of the problems we have with economic policies prepared in Westminster is that the...
David TC Davies | WGC c57 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Elfyn Llwyd | WGC c57-8 (Link to this contribution) There is no time, obviously. We must consider UK Government agencies, such as the passport agency...
Nia Griffith | WGC c58-9 (Link to this contribution) It is a great honour to be here in Wrexham under the motto, ““Labor Omnia Vincit””—““Work conquers e...
Ian Lucas | WGC c53-5 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady has not discussed the matter with me. The first time that I discussed it with he...
Ian Lucas | WGC c55 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid I do not have time to give way. The hon. Gentleman had 15 minutes, despite not having at...
Jessica Morden | WGC c55-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall be extremely brief and speak fast to allow my colleague the right hon. Member for Dwyfor Mei...
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Employment schemes Wales Work programme
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