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Debate on bill and Committee of the Whole House (HL) on Tuesday, 28 June 2005, in the House of Lords.

Charities Bill [HL]

Charities Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage first day. Clauses 1, 3-19 agreed to. Clause 2 agreed to as amended. Schedules 1-5 agreed to.

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673 c131-94, 210-38 
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2005-06
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Home Office
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Deposited Paper HDEP 2005/343
Wednesday, 6 July 2005
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Deposited Paper HDEP 2005/338
Monday, 4 July 2005
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Crawley | 673 c238 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to. ...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c229-30 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend’s amendment. He said that a charity would need gross assets of £100,000. T...
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Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c229 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 32:"Page 11, line 37, leave out ““£5,000”” and insert ““£10,000””" The noble Lo...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c228 (Link to this contribution) If it affects any decision, direction or order of the Charity Commission.
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c228 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord was referring to a general ability to appeal. What does that then cover? How does the...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c228-9 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has made a gallant attempt in the face of some powerful arguments. I am afraid I do not...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c228 (Link to this contribution) I would have thought that the lay person would like to have some sort of steer on   how that works. ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c227 (Link to this contribution) I realise that the Minister is working his way through the argument, but I simply do not understand ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c228 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but this is so important. How is it vague in scope to say that you have a general right ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c227-8 (Link to this contribution) Judgment has already been passed, I fear. If you have, set out in terms, the situation in which you ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c230 (Link to this contribution) I hate to break ranks on this, but I am not entirely persuaded about increasing the   figure for reg...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c231 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Shutt, is quite right. The threshold gets worn and as it is walked over it beco...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c221-2 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord   Swinfen, has made a strong case for substantial reform to enable charities in...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c217-21 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 25:"After Clause 8, insert the following new clause—" ““CHAPTER 2A THE CHARITY...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c223 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister sits down, how does he answer what seemed to me to be the main point made by the...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c222-3 (Link to this contribution) I argue that there is already a statutory body which will investigate complaints of maladministratio...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c216 (Link to this contribution) I shall more than happily share the correspondence with all those who have taken part in the debate ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c217 (Link to this contribution) In the interests of speeding up the proceedings, I am more than happy to take this amendment away fo...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c216-7 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 23:"Page 9, line 24, at end insert—" ““(  ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c217 (Link to this contribution) Judging by their effect, the few words of the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson, were of an eloquence that is...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c217 (Link to this contribution) If the Minister offers to take it away, he need not apologise. I gratefully accept that. I am just s...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c227 (Link to this contribution) I shall try to address those two points. I want to make it clear to Members of the Committee that th...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c227 (Link to this contribution) There is something that I do not think that the Minister has tackled so far. The Charity Law Associa...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c226-7 (Link to this contribution) We debated the amendment on 23 February. Thinking back, I think that we must have debated a lot on 2...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c223-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank in particular the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, for his support. He said that he should like to...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c223 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord can answer his own amendment, but as he has drafted the amendment you do not have to ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c223 (Link to this contribution) I am thinking aloud here, but I wonder whether an ICR of a statutory nature would work any different...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c226 (Link to this contribution) The fact that one would be saving six pages gives the lie to the notion that the Government’s approa...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c226 (Link to this contribution) I generally support this amendment and the group of which it is part. As the noble Lord, Lord Hodgso...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c224-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 26:"Page 85, line 29, leave out from beginning to end of line 11 on page 86 and ...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c191-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 19:"Page 7, line 22, at end insert—" ““6.   In managing its affairs, the Commi...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 673 c192 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord   Hodgson, rightly said that we debated this amendment in Grand Committee last ...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c192 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for those further reassurances. I have taken care to read the le...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c192-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 20:"Page 7, line 22, at end insert—" ““6.   In performing its functions the Co...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c211-2 (Link to this contribution) We debated this amendment in Grand Committee on 23 February, when I agreed to reflect further on wha...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c212 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister and I am sorry that we have had to go over this ground again. On this ...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 673 c193-4 (Link to this contribution) Again, we discussed this issue at Second Reading, as the noble Lord rightly said. The Committee disc...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c194 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for her response. However, I find it rather disturbing. She talks about c...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 673 c194 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House be resumed. In moving the Motion, perhaps I may suggest that the Commit...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c210-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 21:"Page 8, line 23, at end insert—" ““(   )   requiring the Tribunal to publi...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c214-5 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister sits down, he said that the Attorney-General might be drawn into the proceedings...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c215 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister’s response. In fact, my amendment and that   of the noble Lord, Lord ...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c213-4 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps it would be for the convenience for the Committee if I spoke to Amendment No. 24, which is i...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c214 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Swinfen, for coupling his amendment with that of the noble Lor...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c212-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 22:"Page 9, line 17, at end insert—" ““(   )   The Lord Chancellor may, after ...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c216 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Minister would copy such a letter to me; I would be most grateful. When considering the ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c215 (Link to this contribution) The point is that there is a public interest test. For that reason it would be desirable for the Att...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c215-6 (Link to this contribution) That exchange does not take us anywhere with regard to my amendment. My amendment is addressed to tr...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c215 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I could make an intervention at this point to respond to the point made by the noble Lord, L...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c215 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the noble Lord, Lord   Phillips, will forgive me for a moment. The Attorney-General woul...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c181-2 (Link to this contribution) I must confess that I have two minds about the amendment. I hear what the noble Lord, Lord Borrie, s...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c182 (Link to this contribution) I take the amendment as one encouraging the Charity Commission to look in a friendly manner on the n...
Lord Joffe | 673 c182 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. The very essence of the charitable sector is innovation and creativity—doin...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c182-3 (Link to this contribution) This has been a useful short debate on the amendment. In the end, I very much come down on the side ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c183 (Link to this contribution) Taking account of the main strand of the Minister’s argument, which is that the Charity Commission d...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c183-4 (Link to this contribution) Innovation is very much allied to being effective, because to be effective one must innovate and get...
Lord Joffe | 673 c184 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Borrie, referred to administration, which is almost the direct opposite of inno...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c184 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Joffe, for that intervention. It was a very disappointing resp...
Lord Geddes | 673 c186 (Link to this contribution) I must advise the Committee that there have voted Contents: 93, Not-Contents: 93. There being an equ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c186 (Link to this contribution) I deeply regret, the Deputy Chairman having made that correction, that I shall not be proceeding wit...
Lord Dahrendorf | 673 c187 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Lord, Lord   Swinfen, in his Amendment No. 18. In his generous and helpful lette...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 673 c187-8 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the noble Lord, Lord Swinfen, in his amendment. I spoke on the same subject at Secon...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c186-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 17:"Page 7, line 14, leave out ““, so far as relevant,””" The noble Lord said: ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 673 c188-9 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend Lord Swinfen in introducing the word ““reasonable””. When the Bill was dis...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 673 c189-90 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to return to the fray and to find ourselves just where we were when I left it. I see the...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c188 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend in his Amendment No. 17. Indeed, I rang the Public Bill Office yesterday t...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c188 (Link to this contribution) I support Amendment No.   18. While I think that Amendment No. 17 is unnecessary, Amendment No. 18 i...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c190-1 (Link to this contribution) Fair enough. The Government have   moved some way on the Bill. As the noble Lord, Lord Phillips of S...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c190 (Link to this contribution) I thank all those who spoke in this short debate—particularly those who supported my amendments. The...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 673 c190 (Link to this contribution) In this Bill there have been innumerable instances of the Government giving way. We have listened ve...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c237-8 (Link to this contribution) Noble Lords are right; we discussed and debated this issue back on 14 March at col. 419. At that tim...
Lord Naseby | 673 c166 (Link to this contribution) I had not intended to take part in this debate but, having listened to those who have contributed, I...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c237 (Link to this contribution) I say briefly that we   on these Benches support the amendment. We discussed the inappropriate natur...
Lord Craig of Radley | 673 c236 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister. As the clock is pointed to 10, this is the moment to say that I shall carefull...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c236-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 34:"Page 18, line 37, leave out from ““effective”” to end of line 38." The nobl...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c238 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord does not, but he is not so brutal as to divide the House at this late hour. I beg lea...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c238 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister sits down, and to prevent me dividing the House, will he answer my point about t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c238 (Link to this contribution) ““Social and economic”” is a term that can be used to provide context and to reflect the fact that t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c236 (Link to this contribution) I have a response for the noble and gallant Lord. The charity base in Scotland, as he says, does not...
Lord Craig of Radley | 673 c236 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for what he has said and the other two noble Lords who spoke. The Minister did ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c234-6 (Link to this contribution) The Government have included a power in the Bill under Clause 11(12)(b) allowing my right honourable...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c234 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the amendment. There is no issue of public probity or trust here. These are special ...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c234 (Link to this contribution) My name is attached to the amendment and I am delighted to be able to support the noble and gallant ...
Lord Craig of Radley | 673 c232-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33:"Page 14, line 20, at end insert—" ““(   )   After paragraph (a) insert— ““...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c232 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend Lord Swinfen for his support and for his interesting suggestion that he made...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c232 (Link to this contribution) My response to the noble Lord, Lord Swinfen, is much as it will be to the noble Lord, Lord Shutt. We...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 673 c231 (Link to this contribution) I am tempted. The reason why I am tempted is because of other experiences with thresholds. I asked a...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c230-1 (Link to this contribution) Just as the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, was getting to his feet, temptation in the form of the noble ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c216 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Baroness Turner of Camden | 673 c150 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for that explanation. As he rightly says, the ground was covered substantial...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c139-40 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for giving way, as I am trying to help the debate, which is a difficult one. ...
Lord Craig of Radley | 673 c137 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response and all Members of the Committee who have supported me in this...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c137 (Link to this contribution) Towards the end of my comments, I said that I thought that there was some scope for further discussi...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 673 c137 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord said that what the noble and gallant Lord wants could happen anyway under Clause 2(2)...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c136 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that this is a trivial matter. I can understand fully the seriousness of the points t...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 673 c136 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord indicated that he thinks that this is fairly a trivial matter.
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c136 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can deal first   with the point raised by the noble Lord, Lord   Campbell of Alloway. I am...
Lord Renton | 673 c136 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord answers my noble friend, would he be so good as to point out which part of Cla...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c157-8 (Link to this contribution) In that case, perhaps the noble Earl can offer me better advice on the matter than others. We have ...
Lord Borrie | 673 c158 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to all those who have taken part in this debate. I am particularly grateful to my...
Lord Lucas | 673 c158 (Link to this contribution) I, too, was very attracted by what the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, said. I think that he was ...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 673 c158 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend Lord Borrie replies, may I point out that vouchers are based on grant and not...
Earl of Onslow | 673 c157 (Link to this contribution) I thought that the noble Lord needed help with the word ““socialist””, for surely this Government la...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c157 (Link to this contribution) My recollection is that the noble Earl, Lord Onslow, is a graduate of Eton, so perhaps he knows more...
Lord Borrie | 673 c158-9 (Link to this contribution) I think that my noble friend was concerned with the credibility of the whole charity system so long ...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 673 c159 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10:"Page 3, line 26, leave out ““may”” and insert ““must””" The noble Lord said...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c157 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lord Borrie says that it is in law. The important thing, as I have said, is the publ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c156-7 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord   Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, made the important point that we have sought to ac...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 673 c157 (Link to this contribution) May I ask my noble friend a very simple question? Does he believe that Eton is a charity?
Earl of Onslow | 673 c155 (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest. As I said on a previous occasion, my education at Eton was rather a waste of ...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 673 c155-6 (Link to this contribution) When this issue has been   discussed over the years there has been a misunderstanding on the opposit...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 673 c154-5 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts. I am speaking to matters which were spoken...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 673 c157 (Link to this contribution) May I press my noble friend on this matter? It is quite a simple question. Does he really believe th...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 673 c150 (Link to this contribution) A question was raised in the previous debate that is touched on in this one. I support my noble frie...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c150 (Link to this contribution) That is right; I offered a definition of religion, which holds good for this Bill as well.
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c150 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 7:"Page 3, line 3, at end insert—" ““(5A)   Any reference in any enactment or ...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c150-1 (Link to this contribution) I seek knowledge from the Minister. In the previous Committee, we discussed some issues put to us by...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c151 (Link to this contribution) While the Minister is cogitating on that fast ball from the noble Lord, Lord   Hodgson of Astley Abb...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c151 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, to answer the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, first, they are not covering McC...
Lord Borrie | 673 c151-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 8:"Page 3, line 19, at end insert ““and, where the charitable purpose is claimed...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 673 c153 (Link to this contribution) I added my name to the amendment tabled by my noble friend because it seemed to me a sensible way to...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c153-4 (Link to this contribution) It will probably come as no surprise to the noble Lords, Lord Borrie and Lord Wedderburn, that I hav...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c144-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I believed that this would be a lengthy discussion and I was not disappointed. I have list...
Earl of Onslow | 673 c147 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord did say that it could qualify. I am not trying to catch anyone out or be difficult; I...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c147 (Link to this contribution) That may well be the case,   but I am not going to make that judgment this afternoon.
Earl of Onslow | 673 c147 (Link to this contribution) Can the noble Lord possibly explain what the public benefit of Animism is?
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c147 (Link to this contribution) It is not for me to make that argument. It is for Animists to do that.
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 673 c148 (Link to this contribution) I do not want a longer list; I have not asked for a longer list. I am asking for a level playing fie...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 673 c148-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 3:"Page 2, line 10, at end insert ““or other systems or philosophies of belief o...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 673 c147-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate. What my noble friend Lord Bassa...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c148 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. The point surely is that which was made by the noble...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c149-50 (Link to this contribution) We covered the ground introduced through the amendment thoroughly in the previous debate. Those argu...
Lord Joffe | 673 c177-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name appears in support of this amendment. Although its substance is only the   single ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c174-5 (Link to this contribution) We return to the issue of independence. I thought we had already got ourselves to a good position du...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c175-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the   Minister for a very worthy reply and for his encouraging words about the futu...
Lord Borrie | 673 c181 (Link to this contribution) We had an interesting debate in Grand Committee on this proposal. I went back to read the closing re...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c180-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 15:"Page 6, line 30, at end insert—" ““7.   Facilitating development and innov...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 673 c179-80 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his warm support of the principle behind the amendment, even though he has ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c179 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to respond to this amendment because, although I ultimately have to resist ...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c178-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had originally proposed to oppose this amendment, because it seemed to me that putting “...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 673 c178 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Pitkeathley, as it is ...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c170 (Link to this contribution) What I was getting at was whether the charity would be able to claim back income tax that had been p...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c170 (Link to this contribution) I think that the answer to the noble Lord’s question is ““No””, but I would like to set that out mor...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c170-1 (Link to this contribution) I venture to suggest that the noble Lord, Lord Bassam, meant to say, ““The answer to the noble Lord ...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c172-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 13:"Page 77, leave out lines 35 to 42 and insert—" ““5   (1)   The Commission ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c172 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Bassam, for his response. I do not think that that fear of a deemed dis...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c173-4 (Link to this contribution) In the Joint Scrutiny Committee, one recurring theme was the need to allow   the Charity Commission ...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 673 c171 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, will he agree that the provision that he has proposed in this amend...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c172 (Link to this contribution) The Government introduced the community amateur sports scheme (CASC) as an alternative to charitable...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c171-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 12:"Page 4, line 18, at end insert ““unless and until it registers as such, in w...
Lord Dahrendorf | 673 c166-7 (Link to this contribution) I have been impressed by the debate and I have listened carefully to the arguments. The noble Lord, ...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c168 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister confirm that where a school, or indeed any charity, charges fees for a service that...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 673 c168 (Link to this contribution) My only comment—and again I am speaking without having gone into the issue very carefully—is that th...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c167-8 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness sits down, may I reassure her that in my view her colleagues in Scotland a...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 673 c167 (Link to this contribution) I go back to when I was chairman of a local education authority of a large rural   area of Scotland,...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c169-70 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, the contents of the document would be taken into consideration if there were some form of l...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 673 c169 (Link to this contribution) Will my noble friend tell us what is the legal status of that document?
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c168-9 (Link to this contribution) We have certainly had a   wide-ranging debate on this amendment, with support for the proposal made ...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c168 (Link to this contribution) We have had some expert, persuasive and honeyed words from the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, in introdu...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 673 c159-60 (Link to this contribution) If the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Wedderburn, had included a substitution of the word “...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c165-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome the amendment, which I think is a good idea, but if it became part of the Bill t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c160 (Link to this contribution) I am very much drawn to what the noble Lord, Lords Swinfen, had to say on this issue. The constructi...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c160 (Link to this contribution) The Bill as it stands is right:"““The Commission may from time to time revise any guidance issued””....
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c161-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 11:"Page 3, line 32, at end insert—" ““(   )   In carrying out such consultati...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 673 c163 (Link to this contribution) I want briefly to intervene because my colleagues and former colleagues in the House of Commons shou...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 673 c163 (Link to this contribution) My name is down in support of the amendment. I rise briefly to place on the record how modest I thin...
Earl of Onslow | 673 c165 (Link to this contribution) I should just like to put in a tiny caveat here. I was very influenced by what the noble Lord, Lord ...
Lord Best | 673 c163-5 (Link to this contribution) My name appears in support of this amendment. I echo the words of the noble Lord, Lord   Campbell-Sa...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c134-6 (Link to this contribution) Before I get into the meat of the arguments that have been advanced in support of these two amendmen...
Lady Saltoun of Abernethy | 673 c134 (Link to this contribution) It has always been my understanding in legislating that when a list of purposes is given in detail, ...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 673 c134 (Link to this contribution) I have not previously taken part in the Bill, but perhaps I may very briefly support these amendment...
Lord Renton | 673 c136 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord answers—
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c136 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the noble Lord will let me finish. I listened to the force of the argument made by the nobl...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 673 c136 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord appears to be dealing with this as a matter of construction. His argument is based, a...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 673 c131 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lady Scotland of Asthal, I beg to move that the House do now ...
Lord Craig of Radley | 673 c131-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 2, line 7, at end insert—" ““(za)   the advancement of the effectivene...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c133 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment, to which I have added my name. When we went through the Bill last time roun...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 673 c133-4 (Link to this contribution) I have some sympathy with the amendment moved by the noble and   gallant Lord and supported by the n...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c144 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Earl for his intervention. The point that I was making was that in futur...
Earl of Onslow | 673 c144 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can the noble Lord educate me? He says that in the Bill, religion is promotable whether it...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c143 (Link to this contribution) I am sympathetic to what I take to be the general thrust of argument of those in whose names the ame...
Baroness Whitaker | 673 c142-3 (Link to this contribution) I have a couple of points to make on the amendment which I support for all the reasons so eloquently...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c143-4 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord carried forward the argument that I was on the point of making: that the South Place ...
Lord Borrie | 673 c143 (Link to this contribution) The South Place Ethical Society was able to convince the court that it was charitable, not because i...
Earl of Onslow | 673 c140 (Link to this contribution) When the noble Lord referred to a supreme being, was he implying that charity law applies only to re...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 673 c140 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord as two points arise immediately from his argument. I was about to si...
Lord Borrie | 673 c141-2 (Link to this contribution) I put my name down to this amendment to add my support. As we all know—or at any rate, as those who ...
Lord Swinfen | 673 c140-1 (Link to this contribution) I intervene on this amendment, although it might have been better had I intervened on Amendment No. ...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 673 c160-1 (Link to this contribution) In moving the amendment I suggested that, if the principle were accepted at Committee stage the amen...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 673 c176-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 14:"Page 6, line 4, after ““promote”” insert ““and increase””" The noble Barone...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 673 c171 (Link to this contribution) No, my amendment is not in the Scots Bill. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by lea...
Lord Renton | 673 c134 (Link to this contribution) I wish strongly to support the amendment. The previous legislation, starting with the 1601 Act, whic...
Lord Wedderburn of Charlton | 673 c137-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 2:"Page 2, line 10, at end insert ““or belief””" The noble Lord said: In moving...
Subjects
Complaints Clubs Appeals Charities Armed forces Assets Charity Commission Fees and charges Exemptions Ethics Private education Public appointments Regulation Scotland Registration Schools Religion Tax allowances Taxation Sports Charity Tribunal
Legislation
Charities Bill (HL) 2005-06
Link
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