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Debate on bill on Monday, 23 October 2006, in the House of Commons, led by Parmjit Dhanda. The answering member was Tim Loughton.

Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Bill (HL)

Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Bill (HL). Ways and means motion agreed to on question. Report stage. New Clause 1 debated and agreed to. New Clause 2 (discussed with New Schedule 1) debated and agreed to. New Clause 3 (discussed with New Clauses 5 to 13) debated and agreed to. New Clauses 4 to 13 aebated and agreed to. New Clause 14 (discussed with New Clause 20) debated and agreed to. New Clause 15 (discussed with New Clauses 17 to 22, New Schedule 2 and 3) debated and agreed to. New Clauses 16 to 23 debated and agreed to. New Clause 23 (discussed with New Clause 24 and New Schedule 4) debated and agreed to. Amendments debated and agreed to. Amendment debated and negatived on division. Third reading debate. Agreed to on question and passed with amendments.

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
450 c1233-352 
Session
2005-06
Department
Department for Education and Skills
Legislative stage
Third reading
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Ways and means resolutions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1329-30 (Link to this contribution) Government amendments Nos. 79 to 82, 84, 106 to 108, 179 and 185 ensure that the Bill does not exten...
Speaker | 450 c1329 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Government amendments Nos. 79 to 82, 84, 94, 97, 99 to 10...
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Ivan Lewis | 450 c1347-8 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. Throughout our debates Members on all side...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1322 (Link to this contribution) First, on guidance on frequency for the courts, the Secretary of State will issue guidance on his br...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1329 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 71, in page 15, line 31, leave out ‘United Kingdom Passport Agency’ and ...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1322 (Link to this contribution) Yes, or if they took such action regularly as a volunteer. That is the key difference, so I hope tha...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1318-9 (Link to this contribution) I understand that that is a regulated activity, but these provisions are not about the frequency of ...
Maria Miller | 450 c1319-21 (Link to this contribution) Yet again, we are considering an important string of amendments—important because ““frequent”” and “...
Annette Brooke | 450 c1321-2 (Link to this contribution) We are grateful that the Government have listened and have tabled amendments in relation to the defi...
Annette Brooke | 450 c1350-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank all the Ministers who were involved with the Bill. They have been extremely courteous throug...
Maria Miller | 450 c1348-50 (Link to this contribution) Conservative Members agree with the intention behind the Bill, and welcome the debate that we have h...
Rob Marris | 450 c1290 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that it is, but I shall develop the point slightly. To repeat myself, the amendment i...
Rob Marris | 450 c1290 (Link to this contribution) Of course there can be a test of intention of misleading, but that introduces a more objective eleme...
Annette Brooke | 450 c1290 (Link to this contribution) Can the hon. Gentleman clarify his remarks? I realise now that he gave us some misleading informatio...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1291 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a good stab at it, but he knows perfectly well that the legislation is not ...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1291-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady failed to answer the question posed to her, so I shall move on. Amendment No. 201 pro...
Baroness Teather | 450 c1290 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree with his hon. Friend the Member for Wolverhampton, South-West (Rob Marris) t...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1290 (Link to this contribution) The amendments reflect the concerns of hon. Members about unfairly criminalising individuals because...
Tim Loughton | 450 c1291 (Link to this contribution) The Minister asked us a question a moment ago. It is precisely because the current framework and the...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1291 (Link to this contribution) The safeguard that the amendment introduces could be exploited by someone to get into schools or wor...
Anne Main | 450 c1300-1 (Link to this contribution) Amendment. No. 116 refers to"““material (in whatever form) which portrays children involved in sexua...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1300 (Link to this contribution) I shall now deal with Government amendments. Amendments Nos. 137 and 138 clarify that no one will be...
Speaker | 450 c1297-1300 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 24—Assessment of Under 18s on t...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1297 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Robert Key | 450 c1305 (Link to this contribution) Where do parents fit in? I have listened carefully, and the hon. Lady is making a lot of sense, but ...
Annette Brooke | 450 c1304-5 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the Government amendments that establish in the Bill that under-18s will not automatically...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1301-2 (Link to this contribution) I am very happy to respond to that point, not least because it is pertinent and relevant to the deba...
Tim Loughton | 450 c1301 (Link to this contribution) We are discussing an important point, which merits a bit more attention than the Minister was prepar...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1301 (Link to this contribution) I will not stray too wide of the subject of the Bill. The hon. Lady has got hold of her press releas...
Annette Brooke | 450 c1305-7 (Link to this contribution) That is the case most of the time. However, it is possible that parents may have abused a child who ...
Annette Brooke | 450 c1307-8 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. If I may just complete my sentence, I promise that I will move on. A...
Speaker | 450 c1307 (Link to this contribution) Order. I have allowed the hon. Lady a glancing reference to her amendment, but as it was not selecte...
Baroness Teather | 450 c1309 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Mid-Dorset and North Poole (Annette Brooke) said clearly in her speech...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1308-9 (Link to this contribution) Let me begin with the therapeutic services that the hon. Member for Mid-Dorset and North Poole (Anne...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1316-7 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move Government amendment No. 28, page 4, line 21, at end insert—
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1309-11 (Link to this contribution) I can tell the hon. Lady that I am committed to ensuring that there is a dialogue, and that we invol...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1317-8 (Link to this contribution) As the Bill has progressed through both Houses, few matters have been more subject to debate and exa...
Speaker | 450 c1317 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government amendments Nos. 29, 31, 33, 37,...
Ivan Lewis | 450 c1277-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes a perfectly reasonable and valid point, and I hope that I can clarify the situat...
Maria Miller | 450 c1277 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the Minister to our debate on the thorny issue of devolution, which contributed greatly bo...
Maria Miller | 450 c1278 (Link to this contribution) Has the Minister sought assurances from Ministers in the Scottish Parliament that there will be not ...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1269-70 (Link to this contribution) I will do so. As I said earlier, the IBB’s annual report is important to hon. Members and Ministers ...
Ivan Lewis | 450 c1276 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 450 c1276 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government new clause 20—Devolution: Wale...
Ivan Lewis | 450 c1276-7 (Link to this contribution) Government new clause 14 enables provision to be made in future to take account of forthcoming Scott...
Baroness Teather | 450 c1268 (Link to this contribution) To go back to the Minister’s previous point, we have tabled an amendment to a later clause that woul...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1268-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes an interesting point. She implies that, contrary to the legal advice that we hav...
Maria Miller | 450 c1269 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister give the House an assurance that if problems arise with either the online database...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1285 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman and other Conservative Members have had their fun with the term ““inadvertent””, ...
Tim Loughton | 450 c1285 (Link to this contribution) With respect, that does not answer the question. The Minister clearly set out his own interpretation...
Tim Loughton | 450 c1285 (Link to this contribution) I think that my hon. Friend is right. The quandary into which the Minister inadvertently ambled earl...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1285 (Link to this contribution) Let me clarify the position for the hon. Gentleman. The employer makes the check at the outset to se...
Tim Loughton | 450 c1282-4 (Link to this contribution) This group contains a good many Government amendments, as well as six new clauses and a new schedule...
Anne Main | 450 c1284 (Link to this contribution) On inadvertent behaviour, does my hon. Friend agree that there is an unequal emphasis in that an emp...
Speaker | 450 c1279 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government new clause 16—Section (Offences...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1280-2 (Link to this contribution) The amendments help to ensure that the offences in the Bill are appropriately focused and that they ...
Ivan Lewis | 450 c1278 (Link to this contribution) I can assure the hon. Lady that reciprocal arrangements have been agreed at an official level, altho...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1279 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Baroness Teather | 450 c1287-8 (Link to this contribution) No, that is not our aim. Clause 7 aims to prevent paedophiles from working in schools, not to punish...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1285 (Link to this contribution) One cannot intervene on an intervention. In a particular case like that, it is right for the courts...
Tim Loughton | 450 c1286 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for St. Albans (Anne Main) may be forgiven for confusing the Minister’s in...
Rob Marris | 450 c1286 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I cannot help the hon. Gentleman on the capital of Kazakhstan, but in the terms of ...
Tim Loughton | 450 c1286 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right in that clause 7 includes the defence that one"““could not reasonably be...
Tim Loughton | 450 c1287 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman would be expected to know how to pronounce Kazakhstan, even if he does not know i...
Baroness Teather | 450 c1287 (Link to this contribution) I broadly welcome the Government’s amendments, which deal with the issues that we discussed in Commi...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1287 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Lady concerned that the amendments could provide loopholes for paedophiles who wish to w...
Anne Main | 450 c1289 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps there was a desire to mislead. The hon. Member for Wolverhampton, South-West (Rob Marris) is...
Rob Marris | 450 c1288 (Link to this contribution) Exactly. But in my intervention I did not intend to seek to indicate to the House that I did not kno...
Anne Main | 450 c1288 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman freely admitted that he did not know how to pronounce Kazakhstan even though he h...
Rob Marris | 450 c1289 (Link to this contribution) There is a crucial difference. In that case, we were talking about the inadvertence of a business, b...
Rob Marris | 450 c1288 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and to the House for not being in the Chamber at the beginni...
Maria Miller | 450 c1252 (Link to this contribution) I wish to clarify what the Minister has just said. Is it the case that amendments on the scope of re...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1252 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that, but the Bill is not the proper vehicle for licensing in that way. I acknowledge t...
Maria Miller | 450 c1253 (Link to this contribution) Given that it is highly improbable that we will reach those amendments because of the mountain of am...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1252-3 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not wish to define today what we may set down as regulated activities tomorrow. To relate t...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1253 (Link to this contribution) If you, Madam Deputy Speaker, do not mind me straying on to that ground to answer the hon. Lady’s po...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1254 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 450 c1254 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government amendments Nos. 68, 19 and 109...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1254 (Link to this contribution) The new clause and amendments Nos. 68 and 109 are designed to provide flexibility for the Secretary ...
Maria Miller | 450 c1255 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his explanation of these important provisions, especially new clause 2, but...
Anne Main | 450 c1255 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that, although capping is welcome to prevent fees rising exorbitantly, the...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1267 (Link to this contribution) I am always interested in meeting with the NSPCC and am happy to do so, but my concern is the idea o...
Maria Miller | 450 c1266 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for furthering the debate on the issue. He says that he feels uncomfortable wit...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1267 (Link to this contribution) Let me give the hon. Lady a specific example. Where an employer has done the necessary checks on an ...
Anne Main | 450 c1267 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister explain to the House again what he means by his statement that inadvertent criminal...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1265-6 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 198 would require the Secretary of State to ensure that further inquiries were made ab...
Annette Brooke | 450 c1264-5 (Link to this contribution) I also welcome many of the Government amendments in this group. I want to address amendment No. 3, w...
Anne Main | 450 c1267-8 (Link to this contribution) I think that I am now in deeper trouble than before I asked the question, as the Minister seemed to ...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1268 (Link to this contribution) As has been said during the debate, this is a complex piece of legislation. I am the first to admit ...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1268 (Link to this contribution) With reference to amendment No. 250—[Interruption.] Perhaps the hon. Member for East Worthing and Sh...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1259 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1257-8 (Link to this contribution) It is for the entire funding of the IBB and its processes, which includes its computers. It is impor...
Anne Main | 450 c1257 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister completely satisfied that it is clear what the funding is intended to pay for? For e...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1257 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 6 would remove the IBB’s power to borrow money in connection with the exercise of any ...
Maria Miller | 450 c1255-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for her contribution. As the Minister is aware, the IBB will lay an annual re...
Maria Miller | 450 c1262-4 (Link to this contribution) I welcome several of the new clauses and amendments, which, again, give us the mechanics of how the ...
Anne Main | 450 c1261 (Link to this contribution) Given that there may be a time lag, if an employer makes an inquiry and there is no information on t...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1261-2 (Link to this contribution) That question raises a couple of issues. First, the hon. Lady has made the good point that we must e...
Speaker | 450 c1259-60 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government new clause 4—Meaning of relevan...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1260-1 (Link to this contribution) The amendments and new clauses relate to various aspects of information flows within the scheme. Ne...
Anne Main | 450 c1239 (Link to this contribution) Given the complicated and non-exhaustive list of people who will be barred, should there not be an o...
Margaret Moran | 450 c1239 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on adopting my ten-minute Bill on moderators and incorporating it in t...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1239 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has made an interesting point, and I shall return to the issue in discussing the amend...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1239-40 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made a fair point, and I pay tribute to her work, which has helped us. She knows ...
Lord Redwood | 450 c1236 (Link to this contribution) indicated dissent. Question put and agreed to.
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1236 (Link to this contribution) This motion has initiated an interesting debate. It would be impolite of me to initiate now the deba...
Speaker | 450 c1237-8 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government new clause 21—Crown application...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1237 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Margaret Moran | 450 c1244 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on championing the matter. As she said, technology is advancing fast a...
Judy Mallaber | 450 c1243-4 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak about amendment No. 242, which is in my name and that of seven other hon. Members, mos...
Maria Miller | 450 c1242-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for her contribution. As a Member who served on the Committee, she is knowled...
Anne Main | 450 c1242 (Link to this contribution) Following on from earlier comments about the Secretary of State and the possibility of the list chan...
Judy Mallaber | 450 c1244-6 (Link to this contribution) I agree. The matter came to my attention through coverage of one of the big CeBIT international fair...
Madeleine Moon | 450 c1240 (Link to this contribution) I am aware of a case in which my local education department passed to the local authority’s tenderin...
Maria Miller | 450 c1241-2 (Link to this contribution) The Bill was first introduced in the other place in February, but, before that, about two years’ wor...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1240-1 (Link to this contribution) The holder of the list and people who have access to it will be part of the scheme. In the case cite...
John Bercow | 450 c1240 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Bridgend (Mrs. Moon) referred to tendering departments. I may or may not be on t...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1240 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an interesting point. A taxi firm working with children or vulnerable adults wo...
Lord Redwood | 450 c1235-6 (Link to this contribution) I have declared my interest in the Register of Members’ Interests; I am a company director, but I am...
Tim Loughton | 450 c1235 (Link to this contribution) This is another form of tax by different terminology, because the sums will all go into the Consolid...
Anne Main | 450 c1235 (Link to this contribution) I have some concerns that if there is not a degree of transparency in terms of the fee structure, so...
Tim Loughton | 450 c1234 (Link to this contribution) The suspicion underlying my hon. Friend’s surmise is true, in that the current discussion is the onl...
John Bercow | 450 c1234 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right to be circumspect about the motion. Its terms might prove to be innocuous; b...
Tim Loughton | 450 c1233-4 (Link to this contribution) I shall not detain the House long, not least because of the enormous number of amendments—some 207 a...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1233 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Member for Wokingham (Mr. Redwood) for those questions. We will have a detail...
Lord Redwood | 450 c1233 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister give the House some indication of how the Secretary of State might use the power if...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1233 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That, for the purposes of any Act resulting from the Safeguarding Vulnerable""Groups ...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1250 (Link to this contribution) We agree with the intention behind amendment No 192. We do not think that someone who is barred shou...
Anne Main | 450 c1250 (Link to this contribution) If, once the Bill was law, a person who previously was not barred but would now be barred had power ...
Annette Brooke | 450 c1247-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for reinforcing my point. I do not see how the provisions can be communicated ...
Paul Burstow | 450 c1248-50 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Amber Valley (Judy Mallaber) on her amendment. I support both the...
Annette Brooke | 450 c1246-7 (Link to this contribution) I endorse the comments of the hon. Member for Amber Valley (Judy Mallaber), whose amendment I suppor...
Anne Main | 450 c1247 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady share my concern that many private fostering arrangements are on an inter-country...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1250-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall describe a new role for the Office of the Public Guardian in a moment. Let me make clear in...
Judy Mallaber | 450 c1252 (Link to this contribution) Would my hon. Friend accept that even those involved in drawing up the voluntary code do not believe...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1250 (Link to this contribution) I promise that I will come to that point, if the hon. Lady is patient. Later we will discuss an amen...
Paul Burstow | 450 c1250 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister’s reassurance on amendment No. 192. He mentioned clause 43, entitled ...
Parmjit Dhanda | 450 c1238-9 (Link to this contribution) The coverage of the new vetting and coverage schemes is at the heart of how the scheme will work. Th...
Tim Loughton | 450 c1302-4 (Link to this contribution) I do not propose to detain the House for long on this group of amendments, especially as we had a le...
Annette Brooke | 450 c1318 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way, because I want to put a specific question, and he might be able...
Rob Marris | 450 c1286 (Link to this contribution) Does not the wording of amendment No. 201 fall into the very trap that the hon. Gentleman gave of th...
Rob Marris | 450 c1289 (Link to this contribution) I had no intention of misleading the House. Had I done so, Mr. Deputy Speaker would have pulled me u...
Tim Loughton | 450 c1289 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman; no doubt the Kazakhstan loophole will be invoked by anybody who...
Subjects
Disability Children Disclosure of information Conditions of employment Criminal records Devolution Fees and charges Electronic surveillance Foster care Governing bodies Information Internet Local government NHS Northern Ireland Recruitment Older people Mental capacity Pornography Monitoring Staff Powers of attorney Offences against children Scotland Registration Vetting Schools Vulnerable adults Sexual offences Regulation Safety Wales Voluntary work Independent Safeguarding Authority
Legislation
Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Bill (HL) 2005-06
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