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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 17 March 2010, in the House of Lords.

Flood and Water Management Bill

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
718 c229-80GC 
Session
2009-10
Department
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
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Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Tope | 718 c279-80GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that I can confidently say that my noble friend Lord Greaves would wish to withdra...
Viscount Ullswater | 718 c275GC (Link to this contribution) I think we should take things in order. Are you suggesting that Amendment 17 is not moved?
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c264-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what a pleasure it is when a contribution from a noble Lord sends a chill wind towards spe...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 718 c245-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, on tabling his amendments on such an...
Lord Greaves | 718 c250GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Dixon-Smith, thinks that £2 million is chicken feed; it depends how many chicke...
Lord Greaves | 718 c258GC (Link to this contribution) Just to be accurate, I think that the noble Lord was referring to the Planning Bill and the Marine a...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 718 c235GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply to my amendment. I realise that what I am proposing is ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c238-9GC (Link to this contribution) 5: Clause 5, page 3, line 34, after "function" insert ", under an enactment," Amendment 5 agreed. ...
Lord Greaves | 718 c239GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment appears on its own, slightly to my surprise. The clause defines "groundwater...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 718 c279GC (Link to this contribution) I am well conscious of the fact that the time that we had planned for this Committee is just about o...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c279GC (Link to this contribution) Of course. If the noble Baroness wants to move the amendment when we reach Clause 18, she can do so ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c277-9GC (Link to this contribution) I cannot give immediate assent to that proposition, but I will take it on board. Certainly, it is co...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c274GC (Link to this contribution) There is one point I have omitted to refer to. I am grateful to the noble Lord for his contribution....
Lord Greaves | 718 c275GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 19 and 50. I apologise to the Committee because I will ha...
Lord Greaves | 718 c275GC (Link to this contribution) No, I am not. I am moving it in order to assist the Committee in the procedure. I shall not expect a...
Duke of Montrose | 718 c275-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 21 and 51, which are tabled in the name of my noble friend Lor...
Lord Greaves | 718 c262-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 14, I will not talk at any length about the need for integrated catchm...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c260GC (Link to this contribution) The trial will cover several areas. I cannot go any further into that because I do not have the iden...
Lord Greaves | 718 c261-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment raises the important matter of catchment area management. I shall speak als...
Lord Greaves | 718 c266-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the contributions to this debate. The noble Lord, Lord Cameron of Dillin...
Baroness Byford | 718 c271-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendments, particularly the one that reminds noble Lords rega...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 718 c270-1GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments in this grouping, particularly those which try to ensure that local landown...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 718 c268-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 16 I shall speak also to the others in this sweeping group of amendmen...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 718 c268GC (Link to this contribution) 16: Clause 7, page 5, line 36, at end insert— "( ) bodies representing the owners and occupiers of l...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 718 c241-3GC (Link to this contribution) I was declaring an interest—I have to get my breath back because I have only one lung—as my former c...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 718 c248GC (Link to this contribution) What the Minister has just said is very welcome. It indicates that the Government recognise that fir...
Lord Greaves | 718 c243-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have in this group Amendment 43 as an amendment to Amendment 42, although clearly it cou...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c249-50GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have tried to emphasise that on this work that we are doing, which is backed up by money...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 718 c248GC (Link to this contribution) When that point was made in Committee in the Commons, it was said that the power that my noble frien...
Lord Addington | 718 c253GC (Link to this contribution) 11: Clause 6, page 5, line 11, at end insert— "( ) "Social tariff" means a charging scheme designed ...
Earl Cathcart | 718 c257-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, has raised questions about the implementation measures in th...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c258GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken—although I must say that I take a little umbrage at...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c259-60GC (Link to this contribution) It’s the same speech in every Bill, as my noble friend has indicated. I assure the noble Lord, Lord ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c260GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my honourable friend in the other place expressed a desire to consult on the guidance. Und...
Baroness Byford | 718 c233GC (Link to this contribution) I ask the noble Lord for some clarification. I declare my family’s farming interests. We are not dir...
Lord Greaves | 718 c233GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for stating clearly that it is not an exclusive list. Perhaps he will be quoted...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 718 c229GC (Link to this contribution) If there is a Division in the Chamber while the Committee is sitting, we will adjourn as soon as the...
Duke of Montrose | 718 c236-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lord Taylor of Holbeach, I shall speak to Amendments 4 and 6 ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c235GC (Link to this contribution) 3: Clause 4, page 3, line 20, after "function" insert ", under an enactment,"
Duke of Montrose | 718 c238GC (Link to this contribution) Do I take it from that that in the Minister’s view the power can be extended to statutory functions ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c237-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Duke, the Duke of Montrose, for that explanation of the opposit...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 718 c234GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I might briefly seek enlightenment. I have tried carefully, through reading the wh...
Lord Greaves | 718 c239GC (Link to this contribution) There are clearly instances when the groundwater is not in contact with the soil and there is a gap ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 718 c240GC (Link to this contribution) I shall defer declaring my interest until I speak later. I, too, am interested in this. The problem ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c239-40GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am eager to take on any responsibility as a Minister, but explaining to the noble Lord, ...
Lord Greaves | 718 c240-1GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister for his comments. I suppose that what I am really talking about i...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 718 c280GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until next Wednesday at 3.45 ...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 718 c279GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister kindly made reference to an amendment which I have not yet been called upon to move, fo...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c280GC (Link to this contribution) 22: Clause 8, page 6, line 39, at end insert— "( ) The Welsh Ministers must lay any guidance in draf...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c280GC (Link to this contribution) 20: Clause 7, page 6, line 11, at end insert "; and it may not be issued if during the period of 40 ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 718 c274-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that further assurance. In listening to the debate it occurred to me that, quite r...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 718 c262GC (Link to this contribution) There is yet another Division in the Chamber. Therefore, the Committee stands adjourned for 10 minut...
Lord Greaves | 718 c260-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s reply. I shall of course withdraw the amendment. I was in...
Lord Greaves | 718 c261GC (Link to this contribution) 14: Clause 7, page 5, line 27, at end insert— "( ) the means by which the strategy will ensure that ...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 718 c272GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that, when he responds to the amendment, the Minister will give his usual speech...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 718 c269-70GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have great pleasure in giving the warmest possible support to every word that has been s...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c267GC (Link to this contribution) Guidance will have to be issued on how this co-operation is to take place. We expect the consultatio...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 718 c243GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the noble Lord if I rushed him. I am glad he has got his breath back.
Lord Dixon-Smith | 718 c249GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we get on to money it gets complicated. We have to remember that the money we are tal...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 718 c251-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is another adding-to-a-list amendment. It is a fairly simple probing amendment which ...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 718 c250-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I apologise for the rambling nature of my first intervention. When I exert myself, ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c252GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can be reasonably brief in response to the noble Lord’s amendment, because there is noth...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c253-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there was I thinking that this was a constructive, short debate when the noble Lord introd...
Lord Addington | 718 c253GC (Link to this contribution) I can be fairly brief about this amendment, which is not so much a probing amendment as a clarificat...
Lord Greaves | 718 c254-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 12, I shall speak also to Amendments 13 and 24 in the same group. My n...
Lord Addington | 718 c254GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank both noble Lords who have provided me with moral support. The purpose of the amend...
Lord Greaves | 718 c254GC (Link to this contribution) 12: Clause 7, page 5, line 23, after "are" insert "expected"
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c258GC (Link to this contribution) I have been with the noble Lord, Lord Redesdale, on several Bills, but the noble Lord, Lord Greaves,...
Lord Redesdale | 718 c260GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. In Ofwat’s primary directives when it was set up—I have looked throug...
Baroness Byford | 718 c260GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister mentioned the land scale trials that are taking place. What area is covered? Is it one ...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 718 c229GC (Link to this contribution) 1: Clause 3, page 3, line 8, at end insert— "( ) entering into voluntary financial arrangements with...
Lord Greaves | 718 c230GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have Amendment 2 in this group, which would add to the end of Clause 3(3), ""but they do...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 718 c229-30GC (Link to this contribution) For the purpose of the whole Committee stage of the Bill, I declare my interests as a farmer, landow...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c235-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 5, which is also a government amendment. I shall then rest...
Duke of Montrose | 718 c238GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his explanation but, as he said, the powers might possibly be exte...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c234-5GC (Link to this contribution) Without going through the Bill clause by clause and itemising the words I cannot reply in full to th...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 718 c239GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not prepare any notes for this amendment, because I was somewhat puzzled about what ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c240GC (Link to this contribution) The reason why we say, ""in direct contact with the ground"," is because we are not talking about w...
Lord Greaves | 718 c239GC (Link to this contribution) 7: Clause 6, page 4, line 1, at end insert "permanently or intermittently"
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 718 c279GC (Link to this contribution) If the noble Baroness wishes to take it out of the group, she is entirely free to do so on the next ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c277GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this short debate. I am pleased to see...
Lord Greaves | 718 c277GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that. This risks getting into the silly situation whereby Ordnance Survey used to ...
Lord Greaves | 718 c275GC (Link to this contribution) 17: Clause 7, page 5, line 36, at end insert— "( ) Parliament,"
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 718 c273GC (Link to this contribution) I am certainly not seeking to stop people who need to study coastal erosion having that done for the...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c273-4GC (Link to this contribution) I am merely indicating why both concepts have to be obligatory upon risk management authorities. The...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 718 c274GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was taught when I first came here to be fairly brief in response to the Minister’s comme...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 718 c264GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest for this part of the Bill as a former chief executive of the Environ...
Earl Cathcart | 718 c263-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lords’ amendments are useful in allowing us to consider catchment areas. I under...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 718 c263GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to my two amendments in this grouping. The noble Lord, Lord Greaves, seemed ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c272-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am always grateful for all contributions to the Committee but I am particularly grateful...
Lord Greaves | 718 c268GC (Link to this contribution) We will not get any further with this today. My problem is that, much as I am a real supporter of pu...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 718 c241GC (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest in that my former parliamentary constituency included the towns of Keswick, Wo...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 718 c241GC (Link to this contribution) We have a Division in the House. The Committee stands adjourned for 10 minutes. Sitting suspended f...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c248GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have taken the argument on board. I agree with every Member of the Committee who has spo...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c246-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have participated in this debate, and I associate my ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 718 c244-5GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps as I am intervening for the second time I should declare my interests. I am a farmer and lan...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 718 c248-9GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister said that money had already been allocated for rescue. One can envisage that plans to a...
Lord Greaves | 718 c250GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord replies on his amendment, I am perfectly happy to smile at the Minister and th...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 718 c250GC (Link to this contribution) It depends how many chickens you have.
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 718 c251GC (Link to this contribution) 9: Clause 6, page 4, line 37, at end insert ", and ( ) Natural England"
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 718 c252GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that very useful clarification. It has helped to put the amendment into con...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 718 c253GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I admire the ingenuity of the noble Lord, Lord Addington, in tabling a sort of paving amen...
Lord Redesdale | 718 c256-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 58. I declare a couple of interests: I am chairman of the Anaer...
Earl Cathcart | 718 c257GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I begin by declaring my interests. I am a farmer and a landowner and I am involved in the ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c234GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we produced the list because those are the most likely areas of activity. However, as I ha...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c232-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lords who have spoken and for the constructive beginning that w...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 718 c231-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it occurs to me how appropriate it is that we are here discussing flood and water manageme...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 718 c238GC (Link to this contribution) That is certainly so, but the existence of statutory functions means that Parliament has reached a p...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 718 c241GC (Link to this contribution) 8: Clause 6, page 4, line 37, at end insert ", and ( ) the fire and rescue authorities"
Subjects
Agriculture Costs Coastal areas Coastal erosion Fees and charges Land Flood control Land drainage Inland waterways Emergency services Fire and rescue services Equipment Horticulture Floods National Assembly for Wales Water Voluntary organisations Wales Rural areas Urban areas Water companies Sewers Rescue services Reservoirs Social tariffs
Legislation
Flood and Water Management Bill 2009-10
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