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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Monday, 4 July 2011, in the House of Lords.

Education Bill

Education Bill. Lords committee stage third day. Clause 4: Exclusion of pupils from schools in England: review, agreed to. Schedule 1: Review of exclusions from schools in England: consequential amendments, agreed to as amended. Clause 5: Repeal of requirement to give notice of detention to parent: England, agreed to. Clause 6: Repeal of duty to enter into behaviour and attendance partnership, agreed to. Clause 7: Abolition of the General Teaching Council for England, agreed to. Clause 8: Functions of the Secretary of State in relation to teachers, agreed to as amended. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
729 c1-68GC 
Session
2010-12
Department
Department for Education
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Committee stage
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New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c24GC (Link to this contribution) On that specific point, I do not have those figures in my head and I will try to find them and send ...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c45-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friend for this amendment. He makes many powerful points about homophobic...
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Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c38GC (Link to this contribution) That simply would not happen. It would not be the case that a nine year-old was kept back late in sc...
Lord Morris of Handsworth | 729 c8-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, dealing with the issue...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c11GC (Link to this contribution) I was for many years one of those utterly infallible heads until my governors thought otherwise. Wil...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c9-11GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the sentiments behind these amendments, and those in the opening remarks of the ...
Lord Peston | 729 c13GC (Link to this contribution) My reading of the Bill is somewhat different from that of the noble Baroness, Lady Perry: it is that...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c63GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having for some years taken an interest in the low status of professionals working around ...
Baroness Jolly | 729 c58-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am happy to support noble Lords’ Amendment 64 and the thrust of Amendment 64A in the nam...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c67-8GC (Link to this contribution) 64AA: Clause 8, page 12, line 22, leave out ““2(3)”” and insert ““2A”” Amendment 64AA agreed. Amen...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c1GC (Link to this contribution) 37: Clause 4, page 8, line 29, leave out from beginning to end of line 12 on page 9
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 729 c9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, some of you might have heard buzzing noises, sounding like bumble-bees, coming out of the ...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c11GC (Link to this contribution) When the noble Baroness talks about heads, I wonder what her thoughts are on the pupil premium that ...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c11GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is right. As a not so infallible Minister, I remember the legislation because there w...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c12-3GC (Link to this contribution) I have a great deal of sympathy with what the noble Baroness said. I am very pleased that she brough...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c11-2GC (Link to this contribution) My thoughts had not gone that far, but my noble friend puts forward a very interesting proposition. ...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c13GC (Link to this contribution) That may be the case but will the noble Baroness agree that in those circumstances at the moment, if...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c13GC (Link to this contribution) I am not saying that it is true or untrue. The difference—it is very small—is that in the past the a...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c6GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is making an important case, as did the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley. Later, we wil...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 729 c1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have done as much as we can to make more room for your Lordships by providing smaller c...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c4-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I pick up initially on some of the points that were made previously, and which the noble B...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 729 c4GC (Link to this contribution) I should advise the Committee that if this amendment is agreed I cannot call Amendments 40 to 47, in...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c1-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 38, 40, 44 to 47, 53 and 55 to 59 in my name. I thank th...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c6-7GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend makes an extremely important point, which I was also going to try to make but he has...
Lord Peston | 729 c7-8GC (Link to this contribution) I express my sympathy with the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, and her amendments. I do not have her ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 729 c13GC (Link to this contribution) I know what effort heads and teachers make when children are reinstated into schools in difficult ci...
Lord Storey | 729 c13-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to talk about Amendment 47, and then make some general comments on the other amendm...
Baroness Benjamin | 729 c14-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I fully support all the amendments in the name of my noble friend Lady Walmsley and I cong...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 729 c16-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the Committee for arriving late. Sitting on the M11 was not the best place ...
Lord Ouseley | 729 c17GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is associated with Amendment 41, which adds a provision to, "““direct that the pup...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c17-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having listened to the arguments I have a great deal of sympathy with all these amendments...
Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 729 c18GC (Link to this contribution) I share the starting assumptions for this debate of the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, but I would be ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 729 c31GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to follow the noble Lord, Lord Knight, because I found it extraordinarily surprisin...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c30-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will briefly make three points, unless something else occurs to me as I am on my feet. F...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c33GC (Link to this contribution) Do those legal safeguards mean that the noble Baroness’s expectation is that parents’ recourse would...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c32-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as we have all agreed, improving standards of behaviour in our schools is of great importa...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c31GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise very briefly to ask the Minister a specific question, which arose from the comments...
Baroness Benjamin | 729 c31GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support both these amendments. There are real concerns, as we have already heard, ...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c34GC (Link to this contribution) Parents do not necessarily answer their phone. The fact that one has sent a letter home with the chi...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c33-4GC (Link to this contribution) Is it not the case that the amendment asks for parents to be given notice? It does not require conse...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c33GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord raises a valid point. There will be a school complaints procedure to which parents ca...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c24GC (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister replies to those questions, perhaps it might be helpful to ask another question ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c25GC (Link to this contribution) It is our intention to publish guidance to cover these issues which we will be able to then share wi...
Bishop of Chester | 729 c24-5GC (Link to this contribution) Can I press the Minister on one point, following on from the noble Lord, Lord Peston, who drew atten...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c27GC (Link to this contribution) 60: Schedule 1, page 59, line 18, at end insert— ““In section 31A of that Act (consideration of adve...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c25-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for his reply and to all Members of the Committee who h...
Baroness Brinton | 729 c28GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak to the amendments in the names of my noble friends Lady Walmsley and Lady ...
Baroness Brinton | 729 c27GC (Link to this contribution) 61: Clause 5, page 10, line 13, after ““Wales”” insert ““or a pupil at a school in England whose par...
Lord Lingfield | 729 c29-30GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that the Minister will confirm that this did not rise just out of a vacuum and t...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c28-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support Amendment 62, which very much follows on from Amendment 61 and has a similar int...
Lord Elton | 729 c24GC (Link to this contribution) May I ask a couple of questions of my noble friend? First, he referred throughout to permanent exclu...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c18GC (Link to this contribution) First, would the noble Baroness not agree that, in that situation, most of us would expect an indepe...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c23-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the purpose is to compensate the local authority for the additional costs of the services ...
Lord Peston | 729 c23GC (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord clarify a minor matter of logic? If he is saying that the review panel has the r...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c21-3GC (Link to this contribution) The evidence was a point made by a noble friend. It is reasonable to think that where the process is...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c21GC (Link to this contribution) I did not mean that, and I do not generally think that schools have an agenda. However, the crux of ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c20-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Storey spoke for us all when he said that we all agree that exclusion...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c19-20GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I remember sitting in a school classroom in a secondary school that is five minutes’ walk ...
Lord Lucas | 729 c19GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am hopeful that my noble friend will answer the question that I asked him at Second Read...
Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 729 c18-9GC (Link to this contribution) It is right that we reach decisions based on responsibility and that the head teacher and the govern...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c54-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a few of the amendments in this group are in my name and it may help the debate if I speak...
Lord Quirk | 729 c57GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the only the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, had been in charge of briefing for the Opposit...
Lord Lingfield | 729 c57-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will not take you back to Henry VIII, as the noble Lord, Lord Puttnam, did. I sympathise...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c49GC (Link to this contribution) I agree wholeheartedly with the noble Lord’s point, which reflects that of my noble friend Lady Mass...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 729 c49GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I briefly add a point about this being a Forth Bridge issue. It is perpetual and we must w...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c49-51GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, like others, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Collins, for raising this important issue...
Lord Collins of Highbury | 729 c51-2GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his remarks and all noble Lords for their contributions to this positive de...
Lord Puttnam | 729 c52GC (Link to this contribution) 64: Clause 7, page 10, line 30, at end insert— ““( ) This section shall only come into force if its ...
Lord Puttnam | 729 c52-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the purpose of this amendment is to challenge the Government but in effect also to challen...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c48GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also support the amendment moved by my noble friend. He made a powerful speech at Second...
Lord Lexden | 729 c48GC (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness also endorse something to do with recording that is tremendously important—t...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c46GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, briefly, I support the amendment and the reasoning behind it. We seem to have been through...
Baroness Brinton | 729 c47-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also support this amendment. It is a helpful move to ensure that schools, Ofsted, the Go...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c41-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand and have much sympathy with the intention of the amendment to promote partner...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c43GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, and my noble friend Lady Morris for their contribut...
Baroness Whitaker | 729 c46GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment for all the reasons that he set out so comprehensive...
Lord Collins of Highbury | 729 c43-4GC (Link to this contribution) 63A: After Clause 6, insert the following new Clause— ““Prejudice-based bullying (1) Any school to w...
Lord Collins of Highbury | 729 c44-5GC (Link to this contribution) In moving the amendment, I acknowledge the support that I have had from both Stonewall and the Equal...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c41GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak very briefly in support of the amendment because it is perhaps one of the most importa...
Baroness Brinton | 729 c38GC (Link to this contribution) Whether it is a nine year-old, an 11 year-old or a 12 year-old, the same safeguarding issues are sti...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c38GC (Link to this contribution) 63: Clause 6, page 10, line 15, leave out ““Section 248”” and insert ““Section 248(3), (4) and (6)(c...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c38-40GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we talked in a previous debate about the Bill’s approach of removing what the Governm...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c40-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, briefly, I support what the noble Baroness, Lady Hughes of Stretford, has just said. It se...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c36GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness sits down, I want to be clear what she is saying. Is she saying it is okay...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c36-7GC (Link to this contribution) We are talking here about a detention which might be as short as 10, 15 or 20 minutes after school. ...
Baroness Brinton | 729 c37-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had two debates on this amendment. The latter one that has emerged about the power...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 729 c36GC (Link to this contribution) Could I respectfully say to the Minister that this is not about powers and process, it is about mess...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c35GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is right. The power to innovate gives schools the right to ask whether they...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c35-6GC (Link to this contribution) I am the Minister who is in receipt of applications for powers to innovate. I have not been overwhel...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c35GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to take up the Committee’s time but this is important. It would not be done on every occa...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c35GC (Link to this contribution) Each school would have to apply individually for that power to innovate. We are setting in legislati...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c34-5GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise if I am being incredibly stupid, but the 2002 Act gives the Secretary of State the right...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c35GC (Link to this contribution) With due respect to my noble friend, I think that it would be quite a time-consuming process for eac...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c34GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for responding so quickly and to the Box for finding the response. She...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c34GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is currently a ban on giving a detention without 24 hours’ notice. That is why we ar...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c34GC (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister aware that quite often teachers and heads are not aware that there might be a proble...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c34GC (Link to this contribution) In the case of pupils who were young carers, one hopes that that would be known by the schools, alth...
Lord Haskel | 729 c68GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Committee stands adjourned until Wednesday at 3.45 pm.
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c68GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Wednesday at 3.45 pm.
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c63-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on the status of the teaching profession, I agree with everything that has been said. The ...
Lord Lexden | 729 c63GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having made clear my general support for the concept of the GTC at Second Reading, I will ...
Lord True | 729 c62-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I note what the noble Baroness said. Briefly, I add to the tributes paid to the noble Lord...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c62GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Grand Committee normally finishes at 7.30 pm. We have gone into overtime on this. If a...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 729 c61-2GC (Link to this contribution) I rise partly to apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Lingfield, for calling him Lord Lucas earlier. I ...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c59-61GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be relatively brief; I suspect we shall want to adjourn fairly soon. I was pleased...
Lord Puttnam | 729 c66-7GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Hill. I certainly do not want to detain the Committee but wish to make ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c68GC (Link to this contribution) 65A: Clause 8, page 13, leave out lines 32 to 34 65B: Clause 8, page 13, line 42, at end insert— “...
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Bullying Discipline Appeals Assets Conduct Homosexuality Education General Teaching Council Northern Ireland Parents Pupil exclusions Pupils Scotland Registration Schools Teachers Special educational needs Wales
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Education Bill 2010-12
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