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Debate on Tuesday, 11 November 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Geoffrey Hoon. The answering member was Theresa Villiers.

Heathrow

Debate on a motion to consider the matter of adding capacity to Heathrow Airport.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
482 c641-742 
Session
2007-08
Department
Department for Transport
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 482 c641 (Link to this contribution) We now come to the main business. I inform the House that because of the large number of Back Benche...
Speaker | 482 c701 (Link to this contribution) Order. There will now be a 10-minute limit on Back Benchers’ speeches. I hope that most, if not all,...
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Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c642 (Link to this contribution) In a moment. Secondly, there is a commitment not to increase the size of the area significantly aff...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c643 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c642-3 (Link to this contribution) In two seconds, if the hon. Lady will be patient. That could also bring an added degree of resilien...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c642 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Theresa Villiers | 482 c644 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Lord Deben | 482 c643 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c643 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to give way to the hon. Lady if she does not indicate that she is listening to anythi...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c645 (Link to this contribution) I came into the Chamber and heard the hon. Gentleman use the phrase ““populist clap-trap”” in descri...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c645 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right, and I will deal with that shortly. Notwithstanding the bluster from those o...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c644 (Link to this contribution) I am shocked that the Secretary of State refers to the Conservative party’s stance as ““cheap, popul...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c644 (Link to this contribution) In a second. There are now more than 1 million flights a year. That is what has changed—the need fo...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c644 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman has an extremely distinguished record on such matters and has consistently ...
Fiona Mactaggart | 482 c647 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is talking about the real impact that is felt by our constituents of the develo...
Norman Baker | 482 c645 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
David Leslie Taylor | 482 c645 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend spoke about a strategy for developing aviation. Would not any half decent strat...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c645 (Link to this contribution) That is the precise approach for which Stern argued in his report. He said that there was an economi...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c647 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman has studied the White Paper as carefully as I hope he has, he will have notice...
Lord Young of Cookham | 482 c646 (Link to this contribution) Is it not the case that the growth of low-cost flights has been in flights from airports other than ...
Bernard Jenkin | 482 c649 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman referred earlier to the Government’s consideration in the 2003 White Paper ...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c647 (Link to this contribution) I will come to the question of public transport and the third test that was set out in the White Pap...
Baroness Kramer | 482 c647 (Link to this contribution) Will the Transport Secretary give way?
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c648 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in a second. We remain confident in the robustness of our forecasts. Indeed, only l...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c648 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c648 (Link to this contribution) I will give way if the hon. Lady will tell us where she believes expansion will take place.
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c651 (Link to this contribution) This is the policy of the Conservative party: to constrain growth at our only hub airport. For an an...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c651 (Link to this contribution) The problem is that Heathrow’s runways are already full. The airport is operating at around 99 per c...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c650 (Link to this contribution) We have not consulted on that matter and it is not a decision that we have to take. [Interruption.] ...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c649-50 (Link to this contribution) I assure my hon. Friend that we are not predicting and providing, but he must recognise that we are ...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c649 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman knows full well that proposals for constructing a major hub airport in the Thames...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c652 (Link to this contribution) I will come on to the Thames estuary in due course, but I have already made it clear that we are not...
Nick Raynsford | 482 c652 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my right hon. Friend about the importance of capacity to United Kingdom airlines, and a...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c652 (Link to this contribution) I am not at all surprised by the Liberal Democrats’ propensity to damage British business. What disa...
Baroness Kramer | 482 c651-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Secretary of State for noticing me. If he looks at his own technical documents, attached...
David Wilshire | 482 c665 (Link to this contribution) On the issue of house prices, will my hon. Friend accept an invitation to meet estate agents in my c...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c665 (Link to this contribution) I would certainly be delighted to meet my hon. Friend’s constituents to discuss Heathrow expansion.
Theresa Villiers | 482 c664 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend’s point is excellent, and I do not need to add to it. I turn to the alleged benefits...
Graham Stringer | 482 c664 (Link to this contribution) I have been listening carefully to the hon. Lady. I am not sure whether she knows much more about av...
Bernard Jenkin | 482 c664 (Link to this contribution) I have no criticism to make of BAA for lobbying as hard as it can to get its way, because that is th...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c667 (Link to this contribution) Well, the Government’s plans do not even make a start on high-speed rail. I can see enormous benefit...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c667 (Link to this contribution) Not at the moment. All the destinations I mentioned are ones where it is realistic for high-speed r...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c665-6 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to find myself agreeing with the Lib Dems. Almost every aspect of the Government’s po...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c659 (Link to this contribution) No. I will in a moment, but I want to kick off with my remarks. Labour’s determination to press ahe...
Baroness Hoey | 482 c662 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Lady would agree that it is not just people who live near Heathrow who are a...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c662-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady for making that point. Indeed, aircraft noise is already an issue in ...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c662 (Link to this contribution) The plans that we have set out for a high-speed rail link connecting Heathrow with Manchester and Le...
Bob Spink | 482 c655 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State nail the lie on Cliffe and say that the Government will not reopen consi...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c652-3 (Link to this contribution) I will do so shortly. It is important that we answer the question of how we can improve the United ...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c654-5 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that for a moment, and I shall deal with the environmental arguments in due course. ...
Nick Hurd | 482 c654 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State has been on his feet for 40 minutes or so—it has felt longer—yet the words ““...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c654 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a practical and serious point, which needs to be thought about in relation ...
David Wilshire | 482 c653-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way. Before we lose sight of his comment on Air...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c656 (Link to this contribution) I must reach a conclusion. The global environmental issues that I have mentioned are also important...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c656 (Link to this contribution) There may be capacity in some other airports, but that suggestion overlooks the unique position of H...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c658-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend. I said something very similar earlier. I do not believe that the Co...
Martin Salter | 482 c658 (Link to this contribution) May I take the Secretary of State back to the aviation White Paper in 2003, and two specific points?...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c657-8 (Link to this contribution) I addressed that earlier in my remarks, when I referred to mixed mode. The consultation exercise in ...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c656-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall make a little more progress. The key factor affecting local air quality around Heathrow is ...
Speaker | 482 c673 (Link to this contribution) It is not for the Chair to determine the House’s order of business, but I can say to the hon. Gentle...
Norman Baker | 482 c672-3 (Link to this contribution) The House has rightly listened with respect to the hon. Member for Hayes and Harlington (John McDonn...
Speaker | 482 c669 (Link to this contribution) Order. I remind the House that a 12-minute limit on Back Benchers’ speeches comes into operation now...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c668 (Link to this contribution) No, I am sorry, I am about to conclude. We hope that our scheme will be the foundation of a country...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c642 (Link to this contribution) I undertook to give way in a moment. If the hon. Lady will wait, I shall set the scene and set out t...
Greg Hands | 482 c642 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c643 (Link to this contribution) In a sense, I am sorry to have given way. I set out the position very precisely for the hon. Lady. I...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c643 (Link to this contribution) How does the Secretary of State reconcile his repeated statements that he is in favour of a third ru...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c641-2 (Link to this contribution) If I could make a little more progress, I will give way in due course. We recognised at the time th...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c641 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c641 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House has considered the matter of adding capacity to Heathrow." I am grat...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c643 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in a second. So one might well ask what has changed since Lord Mawhinney uttered th...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c643 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in a second. Indeed, the need for new capacity was recognised by the Opposition whe...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c643 (Link to this contribution) I am going to make a little progress. I will give way in a moment. The question of capacity—this is...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c643 (Link to this contribution) I will make a little more progress, then I will give way again. I hope that in the course of—
Mark Hendrick | 482 c645 (Link to this contribution) If aviation emissions are included in any EU emissions trading scheme, will Britain not have to meet...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c644 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is a distinguished former Member of the European Parliament. In those days, I know tha...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c644 (Link to this contribution) I shall make a little more progress because I am deeply disappointed by the Conservative party’s sta...
Lord Deben | 482 c644 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman not accept that what has changed is that we now understand the threat ...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c647 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c647 (Link to this contribution) I am not giving way; I am going to make some progress. In part, the changes that I have outlined ar...
Norman Baker | 482 c646-7 (Link to this contribution) Our policy has not changed as a matter of fact, but may I draw the Secretary of State back to the 20...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c646 (Link to this contribution) That is of course the case, but the reality is that there is enormous demand for flights from Heathr...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c648-9 (Link to this contribution) I am going to make a little more progress before I give way again. I have been describing the expan...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c648 (Link to this contribution) I can answer the question by saying that we need to provide a high-speed rail alternative. We can pr...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c648 (Link to this contribution) I will come to that point in a moment, but I notice, as will others in the House, that the hon. Lady...
Malcolm Rifkind | 482 c648 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State has repeated that he is interested in a long-term, strategic solution to the ...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c650-1 (Link to this contribution) I will when I have finished making this point. The existence of those connecting passengers means t...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 482 c650 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman talks a lot about the consideration that the Government are giving to our c...
Chris Mullin | 482 c649 (Link to this contribution) What worries me—I was an aviation Minister for 18 undistinguished months—is that my right hon. Frien...
Martin Linton | 482 c652 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Theresa Villiers | 482 c665 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that point, which is a valid one. The argument that transfe...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c665 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who makes a valid point. I pay tribute to his hard work on behalf o...
Martin Salter | 482 c665 (Link to this contribution) I may be the only hon. Member here born within a stone’s throw of the perimeter fence of Heathrow ai...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c664 (Link to this contribution) That is simply not true. If the hon. Gentleman thinks that noise has no impact on property prices, o...
Adam Afriyie | 482 c664-5 (Link to this contribution) I am a resident of Old Windsor, and I am clear that aircraft noise and flight paths over homes defin...
Tom Harris | 482 c667 (Link to this contribution) More than 50 flights every day take place between Scottish airports and Heathrow, but the hon. Lady’...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c667 (Link to this contribution) No, I would like to make a bit of progress. I am conscious that the Front Benchers are taking up a l...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c666-7 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State wants us to take long-term decisions. I agree that we must take long-term dec...
Norman Baker | 482 c665 (Link to this contribution) I am wrestling with the Government’s concept that Heathrow will be badly hit if there is no third ru...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c659 (Link to this contribution) No, not at the moment. The potential economic benefits of a third runway are unclear and unproven. W...
Angela C Smith | 482 c659 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for giving way. She has mentioned the environmental impact of a third runway a...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c660 (Link to this contribution) I well understand the economic issues in connection with Heathrow. There is absolutely no evidence t...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c660 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady said that she was aware of the economic consequences of capacity problems at Heathrow....
Theresa Villiers | 482 c660 (Link to this contribution) One of the reasons for that change is BAA’s decision to try to sweat the more profitable routes at t...
Mark Hendrick | 482 c661 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State has already made the point that there has been a reversa...
Angela C Smith | 482 c663 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for giving way once again; she really is generous with her time. However, I mu...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c663-4 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the hon. Lady for making that point, and I absolutely agree that the British a...
Andrew Pelling | 482 c660-1 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady accept my congratulations on the leadership that she has shown in the internal de...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c661 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his point. Certainly we will keep the issue under review. We oppose a...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c655 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very powerful point; the Conservative party, in its various guises, whether i...
Derek Wyatt | 482 c655 (Link to this contribution) May I just return to the idea of the Boris airport off the Isle of Sheppey? The Secretary of State h...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c653 (Link to this contribution) I will give way once I have completed this point. As a result of Eurostar and the high-speed line t...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c653 (Link to this contribution) I will give way shortly. As a result, some people have asked why we need any more capacity at Heath...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c659 (Link to this contribution) I am actually quite new to the House, having been a Member for only three years, but in that time I ...
Angela C Smith | 482 c658 (Link to this contribution) The Northern Way group of regional development agencies is totally in favour of putting together hig...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c658 (Link to this contribution) I have already set out the conditions that are required and the way in which they can be satisfied. ...
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 482 c657 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State talks about not increasing the area in which noise will be a significant blig...
Justine Greening | 482 c678 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that this approach takes no account of the fundamental fact that the p...
Norman Baker | 482 c678 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right to raise that matter. If I were the local MP I would be heartbroken at t...
Speaker | 482 c679 (Link to this contribution) Order. I wish to give notice that the Chair might review the time limit that has been imposed on Bac...
Norman Baker | 482 c678-9 (Link to this contribution) I agree with that. Business in London has been mentioned, and I should say that when London First me...
Baroness Kramer | 482 c680 (Link to this contribution) Can the hon. Lady cite the studies she has seen that determine what level of transit passengers is n...
Louise Ellman | 482 c680 (Link to this contribution) This is an important debate and it is clear that hon. Members on all sides of the argument have very...
Norman Baker | 482 c677 (Link to this contribution) Exactly so. A lot of things have changed since 2003, including that a much stronger case is now bein...
Lord Deben | 482 c677 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it is inconceivable that this Government would have produced the ...
Norman Baker | 482 c676-7 (Link to this contribution) Since my party was the first to advocate a spur to Heathrow, I am not sure I entirely agree with tha...
Eric Martlew | 482 c676 (Link to this contribution) I totally agree with the hon. Gentleman on the high-speed line, and there is no stronger advocate of...
Norman Baker | 482 c678 (Link to this contribution) That is true. I have asked such questions a couple of times, and I have found that five officials ar...
Julian Brazier | 482 c677 (Link to this contribution) I join the hon. Gentleman in his tribute to the former Minister. Would he also like to make the poin...
Norman Baker | 482 c677 (Link to this contribution) 2014 is not a long-term date, and there is nothing in the 30-year strategy beyond 2014. The hon. Gen...
Tom Harris | 482 c677 (Link to this contribution) I have been trying to resist the temptation of imagining that I am still the Minister responsible fo...
Eric Martlew | 482 c678 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that he is being churlish, because as a result of this Government’s a...
Norman Baker | 482 c678 (Link to this contribution) That is the first time I have been accused of talking down the railways. I am not sure who was respo...
John McDonnell | 482 c678 (Link to this contribution) In all the consultation documents thus far, we have seen BAA’s costings for building the terminal an...
Graham Stringer | 482 c674 (Link to this contribution) I have the greatest respect for the hon. Gentleman’s views on transport issues, about which he think...
Norman Baker | 482 c674 (Link to this contribution) There is a clear difference between consulting individuals and bodies with a perfectly proper intere...
David Leslie Taylor | 482 c675 (Link to this contribution) I am attracted by the hon. Gentleman’s ideas about demand management. Does he not think that a simpl...
Norman Baker | 482 c674-5 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not accept that. First, if the Government succeed in including aviation in the European emi...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 482 c674 (Link to this contribution) In respect of allegations of collusion with BAA, may I reiterate a point of which the hon. Gentleman...
Norman Baker | 482 c673 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I welcome your reiteration of Mr. Speaker’s statement that the House ...
Mark Francois | 482 c675-6 (Link to this contribution) As a south Essex Member, I strongly opposed the proposal for an airport at Cliffe, not least because...
Norman Baker | 482 c675 (Link to this contribution) It might well do so. Another factor is the price of travel. According to a parliamentary answer tha...
Norman Baker | 482 c676 (Link to this contribution) We are all against it. We have no mayoral candidates, or anyone else, in favour of it. We are agains...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c668 (Link to this contribution) In using that statistic, we have always made it clear that it related to a full, national network, w...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c668 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the Conservative party’s commitment and in the statistics on which it bases its c...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c668 (Link to this contribution) Not at the moment—I will come back to the right hon. Gentleman, but I am just answering this point. ...
John McDonnell | 482 c671-2 (Link to this contribution) I am arguing for reaching some form of consensus across the House about the way we approach the issu...
Julian Brazier | 482 c671 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is representing his constituents in his characteristic style, with one of the mos...
John McDonnell | 482 c669-71 (Link to this contribution) For literally thousands of my constituents, the debate is too important for party political knockabo...
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 482 c700 (Link to this contribution) I simply offer the hon. Lady another example. As I think she knows, many schools in her constituency...
Baroness Kramer | 482 c700-1 (Link to this contribution) The hon. and learned Gentleman is exactly right. He will know that the consultation document says th...
Nick Raynsford | 482 c701-2 (Link to this contribution) Most hon. Members who have spoken referred to the extent to which Heathrow is creaking at the seams....
John McDonnell | 482 c702 (Link to this contribution) I was at the inquiries for the fourth and fifth terminals. My right hon. Friend will remember the RU...
Nick Raynsford | 482 c702-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend, who made a forceful speech, rightly highlights the huge adverse impact that the prop...
Rob Wilson | 482 c704-6 (Link to this contribution) I welcome this debate about the huge proposed expansion of Heathrow, which would obviously affect my...
Mark Hunter | 482 c706 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Rob Wilson | 482 c706 (Link to this contribution) I am running out of time. I am absolutely delighted that my party has taken that bold initiative. I...
Michael Meacher | 482 c706-7 (Link to this contribution) The debate has made it clear that there are essentially three issues before us: first, the national ...
Mark Hunter | 482 c707 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that today’s debate is about far more than simply the expansion ...
Michael Meacher | 482 c708-9 (Link to this contribution) I entirely accept the hon. Gentleman’s point, to which I am sympathetic. There is considerable argum...
Michael Meacher | 482 c707-8 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree, and anyone who has listened to this debate would certainly draw that conclusion. A...
Norman Baker | 482 c708 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman has a strong record on this subject. I invite him to make a link between hi...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c712 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is a good European. He argues strongly for a European solution to climate c...
Lord Deben | 482 c712 (Link to this contribution) I am a good European, and I am proud that the answer to these questions is a European answer, but we...
Michael Meacher | 482 c709 (Link to this contribution) I have not got time to give way. In a very revealing article in March last year, The Sunday Times s...
Lord Deben | 482 c709-10 (Link to this contribution) What is wrong with Britain when we can never take any big decisions in a sensible manner? I happen t...
Mark Hunter | 482 c712 (Link to this contribution) I have agreed with virtually every word that the right hon. Gentleman has said so far. He speaks elo...
John McDonnell | 482 c714 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend aware that the consultation document gives the figure for additional surface traff...
Martin Salter | 482 c714-5 (Link to this contribution) I was not aware of the precise figures, but it would be fair to say that millions and millions of po...
Mark Hunter | 482 c715 (Link to this contribution) I have listened carefully to the hon. Gentleman’s speech, and I have yet to disagree with a single w...
Martin Salter | 482 c715-6 (Link to this contribution) I would like to apologise to the House for giving way to that intervention. The Government have clea...
Lord Deben | 482 c712 (Link to this contribution) I believe that if it were possible to build a better airport in the Thames estuary to replace the cu...
Martin Salter | 482 c712-4 (Link to this contribution) It is a genuine privilege to follow the passionate contribution of the right hon. Member for Suffolk...
Nick Hurd | 482 c716 (Link to this contribution) I am the third Hillingdon MP to speak. My constituents are not being thrown out of their homes and t...
Lord Deben | 482 c716 (Link to this contribution) Not only that, but the Government are excusing what they are doing by saying that doing it makes us ...
Graham Stringer | 482 c720-1 (Link to this contribution) No, I have given way twice. That is the detailed side of the argument, and there has to be a debate...
Justine Greening | 482 c721-4 (Link to this contribution) Today’s debate is not just about the future of Heathrow airport—whether it should get a third runway...
Graham Stringer | 482 c720 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman asks for evidence. I shall give him a piece of what I believe to be evidence that...
John Leech | 482 c720 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Adam Afriyie | 482 c719-20 (Link to this contribution) I admire the hon. Gentleman’s passion and his belief that we could fall behind in the world if we do...
Lord Deben | 482 c719 (Link to this contribution) What is absurd in saying that if we want to change the world, we should start by changing ourselves?...
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 482 c725 (Link to this contribution) The great Paul Theroux begins one of his finest travel books by saying that it is"““no coincidence t...
Adam Afriyie | 482 c724 (Link to this contribution) Why does my hon. Friend think that Ministers and the Secretary of State are not standing up to chall...
Justine Greening | 482 c724-5 (Link to this contribution) I have given up wondering why Ministers take the approach that they do. It is clear that there is no...
David Wilshire | 482 c683 (Link to this contribution) No, I am sorry, but time is against me and Mr. Deputy Speaker urged us to be brief. We would lose e...
Louise Ellman | 482 c681 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I am unable to do so in the time allowed. An alternative airport has been suggested...
David Wilshire | 482 c682 (Link to this contribution) Parts of Heathrow are in my constituency, so this debate is very important to the people who sent me...
Louise Ellman | 482 c681-2 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I cannot because of the time constraints. It is extremely important that the implic...
David Wilshire | 482 c682-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has asked me that before, and I shall have to give him the same answer. If that i...
John McDonnell | 482 c682 (Link to this contribution) Would the hon. Gentleman be willing to have the runway and terminal in his constituency?
David Wilshire | 482 c683 (Link to this contribution) I am coming to the fact that Heathrow’s competition is already doing damage. Heathrow also has some...
Justine Greening | 482 c683 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend accept that there is another solution? Instead of focusing on quantity, BAA shou...
Alan Keen | 482 c687 (Link to this contribution) I shall respond to that by making a slightly different point. Why should we want people from Teessid...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c687 (Link to this contribution) I join my hon. Friend in paying tribute to Sir Michael Bishop, whom I have known since my early days...
Alan Keen | 482 c684-7 (Link to this contribution) I want to make a few points almost at random, but I shall start by noting that my friend the hon. Me...
David Wilshire | 482 c683-4 (Link to this contribution) No, I am afraid not. A better Heathrow requires the runway capacity to sort out those problems. Int...
Tom Harris | 482 c690 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right to a certain extent. We all have our own view on this, and we all have t...
Adam Afriyie | 482 c690 (Link to this contribution) I disagree with the hon. Gentleman’s assertion that Heathrow would somehow fall apart if it did not ...
Tom Harris | 482 c689-90 (Link to this contribution) May I thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for my first opportunity to address the House in a debate sin...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 482 c687-9 (Link to this contribution) I shall try to be as brief as possible. I completely share the views of my neighbour and, dare I say...
Baroness Kramer | 482 c683 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Adam Afriyie | 482 c692-4 (Link to this contribution) I shall keep my comments as sharp and as brief as I can and address four issues: the economic concer...
Tom Harris | 482 c692 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman mind if I do not? I have only five minutes left, and he may have his chance ...
Adam Afriyie | 482 c694 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has made the point well. That was just one of the variables—a multi-billion-pound...
David Leslie Taylor | 482 c694 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased that the hon. Gentleman has raised that issue. In fact, in the last year for which data...
Julian Brazier | 482 c691 (Link to this contribution) I am listening to the hon. Gentleman with respect, although he has not explained why he said, in ans...
Tom Harris | 482 c691 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman does not mind, I shall try to make progress. Can we please, however, separate...
Julian Brazier | 482 c692 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Tom Harris | 482 c691-2 (Link to this contribution) I admire the hon. Gentleman’s optimism, but, as the Secretary of State said, if 100 per cent. of all...
John Leech | 482 c691 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Tom Harris | 482 c690-1 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the House does not adopt that particular view. The Bill was initiated by my hon. Friend...
Baroness Kramer | 482 c698-9 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is exactly right. Even a whole debate would not encompass some of the compl...
Lord Deben | 482 c698 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady agree that the reason for that is the financial mechanism according to which avia...
Baroness Kramer | 482 c698 (Link to this contribution) I have obviously timed this terribly badly, because the Secretary of State has just chosen this mome...
Ann Clwyd | 482 c696-8 (Link to this contribution) I hope that that is true. I have heard similar stories over the past 25 years, when I have been freq...
Julian Brazier | 482 c696 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is making a powerful point. Does she agree that the astonishing success of the Boeing ...
Ann Clwyd | 482 c696 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Transport has answered one of the questions that I w...
Adam Afriyie | 482 c694-5 (Link to this contribution) Yes, but it also indicates that people are willing to pay the price. A market can operate at any pri...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c694 (Link to this contribution) I just want to deal with the intervention made by the hon. Member for Canterbury (Mr. Brazier). The ...
Adam Afriyie | 482 c694 (Link to this contribution) Price is a great arbiter and if the price is going up, there is not a major issue today. However, I ...
Julian Brazier | 482 c694 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a powerful speech. People would be very pressed to produce such evidence, g...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 482 c738-42 (Link to this contribution) I have less than 15 minutes to respond to a six-hour debate, so if I have time at the end, I will co...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 482 c742 (Link to this contribution) The CBI concluded by saying:"““The case for giving Heathrow the capacity it will need for future gro...
Speaker | 482 c742 (Link to this contribution) Order. The Minister will give way if he wishes to, but I do not want that amount of noise drowning o...
Julian Brazier | 482 c737 (Link to this contribution) Sadly, I do not have time to give way, and I apologise to my hon. Friend. The wider issue that is c...
Julian Brazier | 482 c734-7 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the Government have listened to tonight’s very good debate. The message has been pretty ...
Bernard Jenkin | 482 c732-4 (Link to this contribution) I gather that the hon. Member for Ealing, Acton and Shepherd's Bush (Mr. Slaughter) is a regular spa...
Andy Slaughter | 482 c730-2 (Link to this contribution) To revert to an earlier theme, I am not embarrassed to represent my constituents on the matter that ...
Greg Hands | 482 c727-9 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to take part in this debate. We have heard some high-quality contributions in...
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 482 c726-7 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. Heathrow is, of course, a curse and, in some ways, a blessing for those who live around ...
Adam Afriyie | 482 c726 (Link to this contribution) At a public meeting in my youth, before I came to this place as the Member for Windsor, I was asked ...
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 482 c726 (Link to this contribution) Of course. The hon. Gentleman is going to say that it is not George III.
Adam Afriyie | 482 c726 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. and learned Gentleman give way?
Jim Fitzpatrick | 482 c738 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State said that he was well aware that the topic of Heathrow w...
Lord Cormack | 482 c645 (Link to this contribution) Having been misquoted, let me say that I do not believe that what the Secretary of State is saying i...
Nick Hurd | 482 c717-8 (Link to this contribution) It has been a depressing afternoon, and not solely for that reason. The Government appear to have m...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c646 (Link to this contribution) In a second. Today, international travel is no longer the preserve of the wealthy, although it is f...
Baroness Kramer | 482 c650 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c666 (Link to this contribution) Of course I did not make that claim. These are long-term, strategic decisions that the country expec...
Graham Stringer | 482 c719 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman makes his point clearly. What is absurd is saying that if we make this deci...
Geoffrey Hoon | 482 c648 (Link to this contribution) I will deal with the proposals for an estuary airport in due course, but may I make clear to the rig...
Theresa Villiers | 482 c661 (Link to this contribution) No, I think I will make a little more progress, but I promise that I will come back to the hon. Gent...
Louise Ellman | 482 c680-1 (Link to this contribution) The fact is that transit passengers are important to enable international flights to develop. Heathr...
Graham Stringer | 482 c719 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that I have sat through this debate, if only to listen to the right hon. Member for Suffol...
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