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Adjournment debate on Tuesday, 9 June 2009, in the House of Commons, led by Paul Beresford. The answering member was Shahid Malik.

Council Tax Capping (Surrey)

Westminster Hall adjournment debate on council tax capping in Surrey.

Secondary information

Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
493 c185-208WH 
Session
2008-09
Department
Department for Communities and Local Government
Chamber / Committee
Westminster Hall
Related items
Deposited Paper DEP2009-1723
Monday, 15 June 2009
Deposited papers
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Teather | 493 c205WH (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. He said that police authorities were given notice that they wou...
Shahid Malik | 493 c205WH (Link to this contribution) It is not for me, nor for anybody in this Chamber, to tell the authority what it should do to live w...
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Paul Beresford | 493 c205WH (Link to this contribution) The Minister still has quite a bit of the time that we left him. Rather than question Surrey, I que...
Shahid Malik | 493 c205WH (Link to this contribution) This will be the last time, because I need to make progress.
Shahid Malik | 493 c205WH (Link to this contribution) Having been in this job for five minutes, I apologise that that was not at the top of the priority l...
Justine Greening | 493 c201WH (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. We have heard today that the Surrey police authority has been ev...
Peter Ainsworth | 493 c201WH (Link to this contribution) Let us be quite clear: it is not Surrey police that put a toe out of line; it is the Government who ...
Justine Greening | 493 c201WH (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Mole Valley (Sir Paul Beresford) on securing this impor...
Baroness Teather | 493 c200-1WH (Link to this contribution) It is certainly vindictive, but I am not sure that I give the Government credit for that much though...
Baroness Teather | 493 c199WH (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Fraser. My hon. Friend demonstrates that the problem has affected not only Surrey, bu...
Paul Beresford | 493 c199WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady ought to be aware that although a number of authorities are capped, to the best of my ...
Baroness Teather | 493 c200WH (Link to this contribution) The truth is that there is no logic and no local accountability whatever. The hon. Member for Runny...
David Wilshire | 493 c200WH (Link to this contribution) Would the hon. Lady not describe it as vindictive or suspicious if the Government want to wave that ...
Baroness Teather | 493 c199-200WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is completely correct. Other authorities have been nominated but have not had to ...
Paul Robert Holmes | 493 c200WH (Link to this contribution) Many hon. Members from Surrey have commented on the fact that Government inspectors have recognised ...
Shahid Malik | 493 c203WH (Link to this contribution) I was going to deal with that point later, but I will deal with it specifically now. It is clearly u...
Paul Beresford | 493 c203WH (Link to this contribution) I have made it clear that during the daily discussions, the Department's lawyers were contacted. The...
Justine Greening | 493 c204WH (Link to this contribution) If the Surrey police precept is going up by more than the Minister thinks that it should, but people...
Ian Taylor | 493 c201WH (Link to this contribution) That is exactly the point. Why are the Government intervening when the Surrey council tax payer is p...
Justine Greening | 493 c202WH (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right, of course. Only local people can judge the balance of how much they think i...
Shahid Malik | 493 c202WH (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to respond to the debate in your company, Mr. Weir. It appears that half the Opposi...
Shahid Malik | 493 c203WH (Link to this contribution) I will not give way on many occasions, but I will, of course, give way to the hon. Gentleman.
Paul Beresford | 493 c203WH (Link to this contribution) We have been careful to leave time to allow for interventions on the Minister. The Minister is not ...
Shahid Malik | 493 c203WH (Link to this contribution) I am sure that all hon. Members agree that such increases are totally unacceptable and that we do no...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 493 c196WH (Link to this contribution) I was not intending to speak in this debate, but, as my hon. Friends have been admirably succinct, w...
David Wilshire | 493 c195-6WH (Link to this contribution) I have been a customer of my hon. Friend's service station—I hope that I did not add to the crime wh...
Peter Ainsworth | 493 c195WH (Link to this contribution) As a Member whose constituency borders Gatwick, I confirm that my hon. Friend is right. May I add an...
David Wilshire | 493 c194-5WH (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to be down here, for a change, rather than where you are, Mr. Fraser, and able to m...
Humfrey Malins | 493 c193-4WH (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Fraser, and I offer my very sincere congratul...
Anne Milton | 493 c191-3WH (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Mole Valley (Sir Paul Beresford) on securing this debat...
Speaker | 493 c190WH (Link to this contribution) I intend that the winding-up speeches should start at about 12 o'clock, depending on how many hon. M...
Ian Taylor | 493 c190-1WH (Link to this contribution) It is an honour to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Fraser, and a pleasure to follow my hon. Frien...
Crispin Blunt | 493 c189WH (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to my hon. Friend for securing the debate. Ten of the 11 Members of Parliame...
Paul Beresford | 493 c189-90WH (Link to this contribution) I think that common sense is the theme, but I am always a little dubious about using the term, as it...
Speaker | 493 c199WH (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman knows that this is a debate about Surrey. I have allowed the intervention ...
Baroness Teather | 493 c197WH (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Mole Valley (Sir Paul Beresford) on securing this important debat...
Paul Robert Holmes | 493 c198WH (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Mole Valley (Sir Paul Beresford) on introducing the debate. Derby...
Baroness Teather | 493 c198WH (Link to this contribution) I am sure that it was a very important minute and I sincerely apologise. The problems with capping ...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 493 c196-7WH (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend. I hope that it is not petty political vindictiveness. Let us explore wh...
Peter Ainsworth | 493 c197WH (Link to this contribution) It is a ludicrous situation. My hon. Friend sets it out very clearly. I know that he personally keep...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 493 c197WH (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right that such a review would pile insult on to injury. Instead of £1....
Speaker | 493 c197WH (Link to this contribution) Unless any other Member wishes to make a contribution in the available time, I shall turn to the win...
Anne Milton | 493 c196WH (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that it is either incompetence or cock-up? Such a policy is either politic...
Paul Beresford | 493 c186WH (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend. He has picked on one of the key points that I and, I assume, many of my hon....
Peter Ainsworth | 493 c186WH (Link to this contribution) I, too, congratulate my hon. Friend on securing the debate. While he is setting the scene, will he e...
Paul Beresford | 493 c186-7WH (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend. He is right. In 1997, Surrey police received £96 per head of population in G...
Lord Grayling | 493 c187WH (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend share my frustration not only that are there significant manpower issues in rela...
Paul Beresford | 493 c187-8WH (Link to this contribution) Completely; I think that all Opposition Members would agree with that statement. The cost of design...
Lord Hammond of Runnymede | 493 c188WH (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that at a time when public spending will be tightly constrained anyway it ...
Paul Beresford | 493 c188-9WH (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend's timing is perfect. I expect the effect of the re-billing notice on most council tax...
Jeremy Hunt | 493 c186WH (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my hon. Friend on calling this incredibly important debate on an issue about which pe...
Paul Beresford | 493 c185-6WH (Link to this contribution) I am delighted that you are our Chairman, Mr. Fraser. I am also delighted to have so many of my coll...
Ian Taylor | 493 c204WH (Link to this contribution) The Minister is talking about the notional precept. I want it on the record that the actual increase...
Shahid Malik | 493 c204WH (Link to this contribution) I will answer that in due course, along with the other points that have been raised. If the authori...
David Wilshire | 493 c204WH (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. He said that Surrey police authority "was well aware" ...
Shahid Malik | 493 c204WH (Link to this contribution) Actually, it is above the threshold if taken as a percentage of the notional precept. It is 7.1 per ...
Shahid Malik | 493 c204WH (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the hon. Gentleman is not casting aspersions on my good word.
Shahid Malik | 493 c204WH (Link to this contribution) I think that that is inappropriate. I accept the hon. Gentleman's apology even though he has not yet...
Shahid Malik | 493 c204-5WH (Link to this contribution) No I will not. I will continue. Perhaps the authority needs to check its records more closely. That...
Humfrey Malins | 493 c205WH (Link to this contribution) Has the Minister been fully briefed on the contents of my meeting with Lord West? If so, what is his...
Shahid Malik | 493 c205WH (Link to this contribution) I am not advocating anything. I am merely pointing out the facts. It is not my job or the job of any...
Ian Taylor | 493 c205WH (Link to this contribution) I am very concerned about something that I think the Minister just said. For the record, again, the ...
Shahid Malik | 493 c205WH (Link to this contribution) As I have said, I shall give full details on that issue in writing. The authority's papers show tha...
Shahid Malik | 493 c206WH (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I am not going to give way, so hon. Members should please not bother. We believe th...
Shahid Malik | 493 c207WH (Link to this contribution) I will not give way, I am afraid.
Shahid Malik | 493 c206WH (Link to this contribution) I will deal with that point. I know that hon. Members are anxious, and I am quite sure that they are...
Shahid Malik | 493 c206WH (Link to this contribution) I will, but this will probably be the last time, because I want to respond to the points that have b...
Speaker | 493 c206WH (Link to this contribution) Order. I remind the Member that this debate is about Surrey, not Derbyshire.
Paul Robert Holmes | 493 c206WH (Link to this contribution) The Minister keeps referring to notional budgets, but as was pointed out in Derbyshire's judicial re...
Shahid Malik | 493 c206WH (Link to this contribution) I am more than happy to respond to a debate on Derbyshire in future, but this is not it. Out of 421...
Paul Beresford | 493 c208WH (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way in the last few moments. The one thing that we have asked throug...
Shahid Malik | 493 c207-8WH (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Woking (Mr. Malins) has been here long enough to know that and has, unfortunatel...
Speaker | 493 c207WH (Link to this contribution) That is not a point of order. It is not for the Chair to determine how the Minister responds to a de...
Humfrey Malins | 493 c207WH (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Weir. You know that all Surrey MPs who were available to attend today have ...
Shahid Malik | 493 c208WH (Link to this contribution) At this stage, I am not prepared to reconsider, because I think it would be wrong and would set a wh...
Subjects
Council tax Billing Neighbourhood policing Finance Local government finance Surrey Surrey Police
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