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Committee proceeding and Debate on bill on Wednesday, 24 May 2006, in the House of Lords.

Animal Welfare Bill

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Parliamentary proceeding
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682 c201-64GC 
Session
2005-06
Department
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c232GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. I shall certainly read very carefully what he said and will weig...
Baroness Byford | 682 c232-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 47:"Page 7, line 41, at end insert—" ““(   )   The recipient of an improvement...
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Lord Rooker | 682 c233-5GC (Link to this contribution) I shall deal with the amendments in reverse order. Amendment No. 48 proposes that we should adopt in...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c237GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 50:"After Clause 10, insert the following new clause—" ““OFFERING ANIMALS AS P...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 682 c247-8GC (Link to this contribution) I have learnt one thing in your Lordships’ House; that is, never to answer technical questions about...
Countess of Mar | 682 c230GC (Link to this contribution) I hate the phrase ““hobby farmers””. Hobby farmers do not exist—they are either farmers or they are ...
Lord Rooker | 682 c230-1GC (Link to this contribution) There is another group—domestic individual members of a non-domesticated species. I shall try to dep...
Baroness Byford | 682 c231-2GC (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister, in adding to the list, consider the position of alpacas and llamas? At the moment,...
Countess of Mar | 682 c232GC (Link to this contribution) I can add goats to that list, because a lot of people keep a couple of goats in their back garden an...
Baroness Byford | 682 c235GC (Link to this contribution) Presumably the costs would be recoverable only if the person won the case.
Baroness Byford | 682 c235GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his response. On Amendment No. 48, to which I spoke on behalf of m...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c239-40GC (Link to this contribution) It has been interesting to listen to noble Lords and their convictions. I wonder whether the noble L...
Baroness Byford | 682 c245-6GC (Link to this contribution) I understand the noble Baroness’s heart-tugging concerns about primates. Primates are like us in so ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c243-5GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 51:"After Clause 10, insert the following new clause—" ““PROHIBITION ON KEEPIN...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c251-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 57, Amendment No. 58:"Line 7, leave out paragraphs (a) to (d...
Lord Kirkhill | 682 c224GC (Link to this contribution) I very much support the amendment. I am conscious of the fact that my noble friend Lord Lipsey has m...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c228GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his explanation. It is very interesting to realise that the Govern...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c224GC (Link to this contribution) We on these Benches are grateful to the noble Baroness for tabling this amendment. Given all the exp...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c236GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, for moving this amendment and for clarifying the s...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c255GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment No. 57, by leave, withdrawn. Clause 12 [Regulatio...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c212-3GC (Link to this contribution) I pick up in some ways the sentiment of my noble friend Lord Ferrers. I declare having at one time b...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c254-5GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister has given us a useful exposition on the business of distinguishing what constitutes a s...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c227GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 43:"Page 7, line 7, at end insert ““in which to live, play and exercise””" The ...
Duke of Montrose | 682 c248-51GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 57:"After Clause 11, insert the following new clause—" ““PET FAIRS (1)   A per...
Lord Rooker | 682 c217-8GC (Link to this contribution) I hope to give the clarity that the noble Baroness requires but, in some ways, the answer to her que...
Baroness Byford | 682 c219-20GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 42:"After Clause 8, insert the following new clause—" ““GREYHOUND WELFARE (1) ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c227GC (Link to this contribution) I support the sentiment behind the proposal and the exploration of the issue, but I wonder whether t...
Countess of Mar | 682 c229-30GC (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, in her amendment. However, there is yet another group of ...
Lord Rooker | 682 c224-6GC (Link to this contribution) I was almost going to say the same, but I have got my notes and my brief. I pay tribute to the exper...
Baroness Byford | 682 c201-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33:"Page 5, line 33, at end insert ““unless that person is reporting an animal f...
Lord Christopher | 682 c210GC (Link to this contribution) It is difficult not to have sympathy with the amendment. On the other hand, as the noble Earl, Lord ...
Countess of Mar | 682 c212GC (Link to this contribution) I am curious about how the proposal will work. The noble Baroness, Lady Miller, made a comparison be...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c211GC (Link to this contribution) For clarification, I want to ask the noble Earl, Lord Peel, a question. He spoke about scientific ev...
Lord Kirkhill | 682 c201GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting but I wondered whether I might crave the indulgence of the Committee fo...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c218GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. I say to the noble Countess that I had no intention of bringing ...
Countess of Mar | 682 c216-7GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness talked about pet shop sales and pet sales but there has also been a fairly recent...
Baroness Byford | 682 c217GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for bringing this amendment before us today. It was debated at great leng...
Lord Soulsby of Swaffham Prior | 682 c223-4GC (Link to this contribution) I strongly support this amendment. I will be brief. Due to the efforts of the noble Lord, Lord Lipse...
Lord Bilston | 682 c224GC (Link to this contribution) As a former chairman of the All-Party Parliamentary Greyhound Group, I should pay a genuine tribute ...
Lord Lipsey | 682 c220-3GC (Link to this contribution) First, I declare an interest as chairman of the British Greyhound Racing Board. That is clearly a di...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c215-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 41:"After Clause 8, insert the following new clause—" ““SALE OF ANIMALS ON THE...
Lord Rooker | 682 c227-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am very careful, as I am conscious that I am still new in your Lordships’ House, but I think that ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c228-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 45:"Page 7, line 17, at end insert—" ““(   )   For the purpose of subsection (...
Baroness Byford | 682 c230GC (Link to this contribution) I shall not elaborate on what the noble Baroness said, but she is right to ask for greater clarifica...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 682 c207-8GC (Link to this contribution) I speak without advice. I take the noble Baroness’s point that many premises can be used or put up t...
Baroness Byford | 682 c208GC (Link to this contribution) It was not me in a garage at that stage, but it was an example I gave. It could have been in a barn....
Baroness Byford | 682 c207GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for responding so fully to these opening amendments. It was important ...
Lord Lyell | 682 c201GC (Link to this contribution) The Grand Committee will no doubt be very grateful for the bilateral conversation between the noble ...
Earl Peel | 682 c209-10GC (Link to this contribution) Given that the Bill is primarily enabling, it would seem contrary to its purposes to make specific p...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c208-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 39:"After Clause 8, insert the following new clause—" ““PHEASANTS AND PARTRIDG...
Earl Peel | 682 c211-2GC (Link to this contribution) I do not know the technical answer. The Game Conservancy Trust, through the veterinary expertise of ...
Earl Ferrers | 682 c212GC (Link to this contribution) I have not had the privilege of participating in this Bill before, and I hope your Lordships will fo...
Earl Peel | 682 c210GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord makes an important point. I can tell him categorically that all the major shooting or...
Lord Lipsey | 682 c211GC (Link to this contribution) I have the great good fortune to live in the middle of a pheasant-shooting estate. When the guns cam...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c214-5GC (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords who have spoken and the Minister for her reply. The previous occasion on whi...
Baroness Byford | 682 c230GC (Link to this contribution) I accept that, but in some ways it is difficult to define someone who has only five or six animals, ...
Countess of Mar | 682 c231GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister cleared the matter up for me in his first few words. It is simply that we need to be ab...
Lord Rooker | 682 c232GC (Link to this contribution) They are considered under the Bill whether they are farmed or wild, but the noble Baroness raises a ...
Lord Rooker | 682 c235GC (Link to this contribution) The cost point is very important. I would like to give an answer. There would be costs, but they may...
Baroness Byford | 682 c235GC (Link to this contribution) I assume that. I will certainly read carefully what the Minister has said. I beg leave to withdraw t...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c235-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 49:"After Clause 10, insert the following new clause—" ““PET THEFTS (1)   A pe...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c236-7GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Duke, the Duke of Montrose, for highlighting a problem that sometimes creates grea...
Lord Bilston | 682 c237-8GC (Link to this contribution) I rise to oppose this amendment tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Miller of Chilthorne Domer. It pr...
Lord Rooker | 682 c241-2GC (Link to this contribution) I was going to say, ““Perhaps I may dive to the rescue””, but that is a pun too far. I have never th...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c242-3GC (Link to this contribution) That was a lively debate. I am glad that, by tabling my amendment, I enabled the ““hit squad””—if I ...
Lord Pendry | 682 c238-9GC (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree with my colleague, as a fellow member of the Showmen’s Guild, that this is killjo...
Lord Hoyle | 682 c240GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, am a member of the Showmen’s Guild and I had also better declare my well known respect for t...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c248GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister. That is very helpful. Institutions such as the Monkey Sanctuary Trust will hav...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 682 c246-7GC (Link to this contribution) This amendment proposed by the noble Baroness, Lady Miller of Chilthorne Domer, introduces a further...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 682 c259-60GC (Link to this contribution) I speak as a member of the Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee, although I am not speak...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 682 c245GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lord Ferrers earlier prefaced his observations on Amendment No. 39 by saying that th...
Lord Christopher | 682 c232GC (Link to this contribution) I can add, too, that castrated alpacas are now being widely sold as family pets and are being kept a...
Lord Rooker | 682 c235GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, I am assuming that that is the case.
Lord Rooker | 682 c236GC (Link to this contribution) In summary, I think that I will horrify the noble Baroness by saying that if this amendment should b...
Lord Lipsey | 682 c240-1GC (Link to this contribution) I am a bit of a showman, but not a member of the Showmen’s Guild. However, I support the points that...
Lord Rooker | 682 c252-4GC (Link to this contribution) I shall do my best to respond. On some of the issues raised, particularly the reference to earlier l...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c247GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, for his eloquent contribution. It was a re...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 682 c260-3GC (Link to this contribution) I shall begin by continuing on the point raised by the noble Lord, Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville....
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c263-4GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her lengthy and detailed reply. It was helpful. She correctly picked up the...
Baroness Byford | 682 c264GC (Link to this contribution) had given notice of her intention to move Amendment No. 60:"Page 8, line 28, leave out ““promoting””...
Lord Rooker | 682 c264GC (Link to this contribution) I think this is a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Wednesday 14 June at 3.45 pm....
Baroness Byford | 682 c256-9GC (Link to this contribution) I will speak to the Conservative amendments in this group. Before doing so, however, I will follow u...
Lord Brabazon of Tara | 682 c256GC (Link to this contribution) I should point out to the Committee that, if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments N...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c255-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 59:"Page 8, line 27, leave out from ““regulations”” to end of line 31." The nob...
Baroness Byford | 682 c255GC (Link to this contribution) Can I add to what my noble friend said? The difficulty that we have, as referred to by the noble Bar...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c255GC (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment No. 58, as an amendment to Amendment No. 57, by le...
Lord Rooker | 682 c255GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness will understand that I cannot possibly comment in advance of the court case decis...
Lord Rooker | 682 c255GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Duke finishes, when I read out those potential four types of event it was all very ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 682 c254GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Duke comes back, that explanation was very helpful. The definition of what is comme...
Lord Lyell | 682 c201GC (Link to this contribution) The usual housekeeping rules apply for Grand Committee. There are no Divisions and we will go throug...
Baroness Byford | 682 c226-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister for his response. I take the point that he would like the Defra w...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 682 c203-7GC (Link to this contribution) As noble Lords are aware, the clause to which Amendment No. 34 refers was subject to fairly substant...
Countess of Mar | 682 c203GC (Link to this contribution) On Amendment No. 36, what would happen if some organisation such as the BBC took an undercover film ...
Lord Christopher | 682 c210-1GC (Link to this contribution) I am glad to hear that, but the test that should be applied is not in this proposal. It lies in the ...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 682 c213-4GC (Link to this contribution) In response to the noble Earl, Lord Ferrers, the title of the Bill is ““Animal Welfare””, so it appr...
Subjects
Children Animal housing Animal welfare Codes of practice Abuse Animals Licensing Gun sports Domestic animals Internet Game Markets Pets Primates Sales Violence Wildlife Theft Zoos Greyhounds Prizes Improvement notices Pheasants
Legislation
Animal Welfare Bill 2005-06
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