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Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Monday, 18 January 2010, in the House of Lords.

Digital Economy Bill [HL]

Digital Economy Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage third day. Clause 4 agreed to. Clauses 5, 6, 7 agreed to as amended. Clause 8 under consideration.

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Parliamentary proceeding
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716 c788-868 
Session
2009-10
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Department for Business, Innovation and Skills
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Committee stage
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New clauses
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Razzall | 716 c867 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 116 relates to a very straightforward point. I hope that I do not require the he...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c865 (Link to this contribution) 113: Clause 8, page 10, line 35, at end insert— "( ) a requirement that reports are to be considered...
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Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c865 (Link to this contribution) I think the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, underestimates himself. His amendments are always worth ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c865 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that the Committee will find my stream of amendments somewhat wearisome, but this is the f...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c865-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones. He has brought a new dimension to streaming that I had n...
Lord Razzall | 716 c867 (Link to this contribution) 116: Clause 8, page 10, line 45, at end insert "; and ( ) requirements on the time limit for notifyi...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c866 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that absolutely splendid response on the Data Protection Act. I d...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c864-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is always good to have a former Lord Chancellor enter the lists on your behalf. I thank...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 716 c864 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps it is worth the Minister’s while considering whether, if it is generally speaking possible t...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c864 (Link to this contribution) We will take that point into account—it is a sensible suggestion—but I return to my previous point. ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c862 (Link to this contribution) We want to ensure that the Bill sets out the time limit for making a copyright infringement report, ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c862 (Link to this contribution) 112: Clause 8, page 10, line 35, at end insert "which shall be no more than three months"
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c863-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is another case where we need to balance a proper concern with the position of a subs...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 716 c863 (Link to this contribution) It seems to me to be fair that if an infringement report is to have consequences, it should be issue...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c862-3 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord raises an interesting question on how far into the future a subscriber should be held...
Lord Razzall | 716 c839 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. Before withdrawing the amendment, I shall take up his comments ...
Baroness Hayman | 716 c840 (Link to this contribution) If Amendment 93 is agreed to I cannot call Amendment 93A by reason of pre-emption.
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c840 (Link to this contribution) The clause provides for retrospective legislation. The noble Lord, Lord Razzall, is right to have co...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c840-1 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments. We cannot start doing this retrospectively as it could cause chaos. If it ...
Lord Razzall | 716 c839-40 (Link to this contribution) I shall also speak to Amendment 93A, but will not move it at this stage. I always get confused when ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c841-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to noble Lords who have spoken in the debate and I appreciate the concern about the po...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c842 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord rises to withdraw, or not, his amendment, the Minister cited a time period of ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c842-3 (Link to this contribution) As I sought to explain, we first thought about three months; we are now considering whether one mont...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c844 (Link to this contribution) Before speaking to this amendment, I declare an interest. I had planned to declare it when we got to...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c844 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, and to the noble Lord, Lord Howard, who has eff...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c843 (Link to this contribution) 94: Clause 6, page 8, line 28, at end insert "and that internet service providers and copyright owne...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c843-4 (Link to this contribution) After that generous break, I am sure that we are all refreshed and raring to go for the next two hou...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c843 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn. I suggest that the Committee...
Lord Razzall | 716 c843 (Link to this contribution) This issue can be debated at two levels. It can be debated at the level that I started with, and on ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c829-31 (Link to this contribution) In moving Amendment 86, I shall speak also to Amendments 87, 92, 92A and 197. These cover two rather...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c831-2 (Link to this contribution) We now turn to the threshold that applies to the obligations code. This threshold is even more impor...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c832 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will make a couple of points. In the first amendment of the group, we are trying to chan...
Lord Whitty | 716 c832 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the first batch of amendments relates to schools, libraries and so on. The Government real...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c833-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 86 would make the provisions of subsection (3) a requirement rather than an opti...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c835 (Link to this contribution) When the Minister uses words such as "sensible" and "reasonable", does that take into account the po...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c835 (Link to this contribution) I shall not go into the detail now. By sensible and reasonable measures, we mean software procedures...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c836 (Link to this contribution) I assume that the Minister is treating that as a rhetorical statement. I confess to being somewhat d...
Lord Lucas | 716 c835-6 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord not agree that this vagueness as to what will suffice as reasonable measures wil...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c836 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord saying that we should absolve these institutions from any responsibility whatever ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c837 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord has hit it on the head. The purpose of these institutions is to be educatio...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c836 (Link to this contribution) I shall comment on that. It will be difficult for these institutions to comply with the need to prov...
Lord Puttnam | 716 c836-7 (Link to this contribution) I speak as the chancellor of the Open University. I absolutely see both sides of this argument but I...
Lord Razzall | 716 c837-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 90 and 91, which are grouped with Amendment 88. This is a...
Baroness Hayman | 716 c838 (Link to this contribution) I have to inform the Committee that, if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 89 by r...
Lord Razzall | 716 c837 (Link to this contribution) 88: Clause 6, page 8, line 16, leave out "of a contribution towards" and insert "for"
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c838-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Razzall, for moving the amendment in the terms that ...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c838 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we had a probing amendment in this group designed to allow for a debate on costs, but it h...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c851-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the effect of Amendment 99, tabled by the noble Lords, Lord Howard of Rising and Lord De M...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 716 c851 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand completely the points that both noble Lords are making. This is not, in any s...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c851 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 99 and 117 are probing amendments to explore the new body and its responsibilit...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c851 (Link to this contribution) 99: Clause 7, page 9, leave out lines 17 to 34
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 716 c849 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am proposing this amendment to Clause 7 to make a necessary change to the Bill, and it f...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 716 c849 (Link to this contribution) 98: Clause 7, page 9, leave out lines 12 to 14 and insert— "(2) OFCOM may but need not make a code u...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c850 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones. The government amendment is i...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c850 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must admit that I am sceptical about the Minister’s case for this amendment. He said tha...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c848-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his remarks. Urgency is good, and dealing with issues promptly and efficien...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c854 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his remarks and for his agreement to go and have another look. I beg leave ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c854 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I gave an assurance that we would take this away to see whether we are creating anything t...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c853-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lady Buscombe for her relevant and pertinent remarks, alt...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c853 (Link to this contribution) While I am on this collective life-support machine, we will take this one away to ensure that we rea...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c853 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, to add to the Minister’s will to live, I wondered whether this issue had some relation to ...
Baroness Buscombe | 716 c853 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for allowing me to intervene again briefly. What is being proposed her...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c853 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness is being harsh. No, I have not lost the will to live. Fancy being depri...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c844 (Link to this contribution) 95: Clause 6, page 8, leave out line 29
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c845 (Link to this contribution) Would it help the Minister if I interrupted him for a moment?
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c845 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment tabled by the noble Lords, Lord Howard of Rising and Lord De Mauley, would a...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c846 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his remarks. As I said, I can see the advantages of one code, which he expl...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c845-6 (Link to this contribution) The offer is appreciated. Thank you. The key answer to the noble Lord’s question is that we need to...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c846 (Link to this contribution) 95A: Clause 6, page 8, line 31, after "may" insert "by order" 95B: Clause 6, page 8, line 36, leav...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c844 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for what is probably the most reassuring response to date. It is very helpful a...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c847 (Link to this contribution) 97: Clause 7, page 9, leave out lines 8 to 14 and insert— "( ) OFCOM must by order make a code for t...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c847 (Link to this contribution) 96A: Clause 6, page 8, line 40, leave out from beginning to end of line 3 on page 9 and insert— "( )...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c847 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response, although I thought that it was a fairly limp reply ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c848 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Clause 7(1) and (2) requires Ofcom to make a code by order if it has not been able to appr...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c848 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 97 seeks to provide a six-month window of opportunity for rights holders and int...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c846-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Clause 6(10) requires the consent of the Secretary of State to the approval by Ofcom of an...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c846 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 96 seeks to remove the requirement for Ofcom’s approval of a code, or a modification to an...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c846 (Link to this contribution) 96: Clause 6, page 8, leave out lines 38 and 39
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c854 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 101 is a probing amendment. It is to discuss the value of establishing a time li...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c854 (Link to this contribution) 101: Clause 8, page 10, line 14, at end insert "to 1 year or less"
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c855 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his comments. I do not know what he will think if industry drafts something...
Lord Lucas | 716 c855-6 (Link to this contribution) 104: Clause 8, page 10, line 17, at end insert— "( ) that it makes proper provision for rights of ap...
Lord Lucas | 716 c856 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 109. With rights of appeal, we come to a very important pa...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c857 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak to Amendment 106. It is worth celebrating that, unlike the English cricket team, w...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c857 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Lucas for his amendments, not only for raising the point abou...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c858-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will start with Amendments 104 and 109. The purpose of the amendments is to add a furthe...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c860 (Link to this contribution) As I am sure the noble Lord knows, we are not proposing to pitch anyone into the civil justice syste...
Lord Lucas | 716 c860 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 104 withdrawn. Amendm...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c860 (Link to this contribution) 105A: Clause 8, page 10, line 24, at end insert— "( ) that any criteria must be fully consistent wit...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c862 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply, which I thought was splendidly circular in nature: it ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c867-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment would set a clear time limit of a month for how long an internet service pro...
Lord Razzall | 716 c868 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response. I suspect that this is the last amendment tonight ...
Lord Razzall | 716 c868 (Link to this contribution) I shall withdraw that. There is a fundamental difference here, and when we get to the Report stage w...
Lord Whitty | 716 c797 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I broadly support these amendments. In discussing notification procedures that may eventua...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c798 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, our Amendment 66 has a very similar effect to my noble friend’s Amendment 65 in that it en...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c798 (Link to this contribution) I should like to speak to Amendment 70. We support the principle of the other amendments in this gro...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c799 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with everything that has been said so far. I have added my name to Amendment 66, b...
Lord Razzall | 716 c797 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am intrigued that what seemed to be a relatively straightforward drafting amendment has ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c797 (Link to this contribution) 65: Clause 4, page 6, line 36, after "telegraphy;" insert— "( ) full details of a subscriber’s right...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c788-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, just in case anyone is confused, I have agreed to move the amendments in the name of my no...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c788 (Link to this contribution) 59: Clause 4, page 6, line 27, at end insert— "(4A) An internet service provider may recover costs, ...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c795-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to add to what the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, has said. I agree with him that th...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c796 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think I am grateful for those last two contributions. I am certainly grateful to the nob...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c792-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the purpose of Amendment 60 is to require that the notification sent to subscribers should...
Lord Lucas | 716 c794 (Link to this contribution) Which I suspect is my fault. I am sorry for leaving the Minister with that conundrum. I entirely ac...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c793-4 (Link to this contribution) It may be helpful to the Minister to point out that Amendment 63 should perhaps have been grouped wi...
Lord Razzall | 716 c794 (Link to this contribution) This is a relatively small amendment to Clause 4, which deals with the insertion of a new clause in ...
Lord Razzall | 716 c794 (Link to this contribution) 64: Clause 4, page 6, leave out lines 35 and 36
Lord Lucas | 716 c794-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not sure that I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Razzall, on this issue. I think that ...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c794 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall just speak on the amendment to put on record once again the concern that we share ...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c792 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support these amendments. We heard earlier in Committee about bullying tactics being use...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c792 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these are useful amendments designed to ascertain the level of detail required in a notifi...
Lord Lucas | 716 c791 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 60 I shall speak also to Amendments 61 and 62. Amendment 63 appears to...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c790 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response and I thank both him and the noble Lord, Lord De Ma...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c789-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much agree with the closing remarks made by the noble Lord, Lord De Mauley. The iss...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c789 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the first of many groups dealing with the knotty question of the division of costs...
Lord Lucas | 716 c791 (Link to this contribution) 60: Clause 4, page 6, line 30, after "a" insert "named"
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c791 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister. Clearly he needs to develop a more assertive nod of his head. However, that is...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c790 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it has been suggested that my physical nod of the head was not overt enough, so I am sayin...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c828-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 85A and speak to the three other government amendments in this gro...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c828 (Link to this contribution) 85A: Clause 6, page 7, line 44, leave out from "may" to end of line and insert "by order approve it,...
Lord Razzall | 716 c828 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord for agreeing to Amendment 84. As regards Amendment 107, I had a...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c829 (Link to this contribution) 86: Clause 6, page 8, line 1, leave out "may" and insert "must"
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c829 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for that comment. He will have noticed that the second report of the...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c829 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we on these Benches are very glad to see these amendments, even if they were tabled rather...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c828 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to be difficult because I entirely agree with the noble Lord, but in the light of the ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c827-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to say something helpful. Frighteningly, I suggest that we are prepared to accept t...
Lord Razzall | 716 c825-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 80, I will speak also to Amendment 81, which is grouped with it. This ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c826-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, subsection (2) in Clause 5 requires the ISPs to compile lists, in relation to any relevant...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c826 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am afraid that I disagree with this amendment. The whole point at this stage is that the...
Lord Razzall | 716 c827 (Link to this contribution) 84: Clause 5, page 7, line 32, leave out "(if any)"
Lord Razzall | 716 c827 (Link to this contribution) I understand the point about the Data Protection Act, which is why it is essential that a clause in ...
Lord Razzall | 716 c827 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak briefly to Amendments 84 and 107. Amendment 84 is a very straightforward amendment. ...
Lord Razzall | 716 c825 (Link to this contribution) 80: Clause 5, page 7, line 27, leave out "enable" and insert "identify the name or address of"
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c824-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak first to Amendments 78 and 79, since they address the same issue. Subsection ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c824 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 78 and 79 need not detain the House for long. This is all in the interests of e...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c823 (Link to this contribution) 78: Clause 5, page 7, line 24, leave out "in relation to each relevant subscriber"
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c823 (Link to this contribution) As I have sought to indicate, and as has been reflected in the contributions to this debate, there i...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c822-3 (Link to this contribution) I notice that in the same proposed new section, subsection (3)(b) says, ""the number of the reports ...
Lord Whitty | 716 c822 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the point that the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, made at the end underlines my earlier intervent...
Lord Lucas | 716 c821-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a problem that we have visited before. As the noble Earl was saying, the trouble i...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c822 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I may say so to my noble friend Lord Whitty, we are not discussing "run of the mill"; a...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c820 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Razzall, raises interesting questions about the use to which the copy...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c821 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the principle of the amendment. It is much safer to do this at a parliamentary l...
Lord Whitty | 716 c820-1 (Link to this contribution) I support the principle of a threshold, but whether it is appropriate to state the threshold here or...
Lord Razzall | 716 c819 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 85, in the name of my noble friend Lady Miller, who unfort...
Lord Razzall | 716 c819 (Link to this contribution) 76: Clause 5, page 7, line 22, at end insert "; and ( ) the internet service provider has received f...
Lord Whitty | 716 c804 (Link to this contribution) 71: Clause 4, page 7, leave out lines 7 to 9
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c802-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lords for tabling this amendment. The effect of the amendment would be t...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c802 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having heard the arguments, I, too, support the amendment. It seems rather similar in inte...
Lord Lucas | 716 c803 (Link to this contribution) 69: Clause 4, page 6, leave out lines 37 and 38
Lord De Mauley | 716 c803 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, the noble Earl, Lord Errol, and the noble Lo...
Lord Lucas | 716 c803 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 69, I shall speak also to Amendment 70A. These amendments have an enti...
Lord Lucas | 716 c804 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall retire defeated. I only point out to the noble Lord that the content of his lunch ...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 716 c803-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, are designed to change the way i...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c802 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, has put it excellently.
Lord Whitty | 716 c802 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the principle of the amendment. We have spent a lot of time discussing what a su...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c801 (Link to this contribution) My apologies—I thought that I had made it abundantly clear. We are appealing for flexibility, includ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c800 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister talked about the guidance document. Even if the Government do not accept the ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c799-800 (Link to this contribution) I will take Amendments 65 and 70 together, since they propose similar changes to the Bill. The purp...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c801-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Bill as currently drafted would allow a great deal of useful consumer information to b...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c801 (Link to this contribution) 67: Clause 4, page 6, line 36, at end insert— "( ) information about the protection of electronic co...
Lord Lucas | 716 c801 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is one of those occasions when the Government are bound to be right. If we think that...
Lord Lucas | 716 c814 (Link to this contribution) 75: After Clause 4, insert the following new Clause— "Obligation to block access to a website After ...
Lord Lucas | 716 c815-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, not for the first time, Clause 4 has proved difficult to get rid of and I am glad that we ...
Lord Maxton | 716 c816 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my problem is often the other way round: I am told about websites that I have no wish to k...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c816-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a useful amendment from the point of view of discussing the issue. I agree with th...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c817 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend has proposed a new clause which, in some ways, is a forerunner to the deba...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c817-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the purpose of this amendment is to add a further obligation on internet service providers...
Lord Lucas | 716 c818 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. He has not addressed my wider concerns, but we shall ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c818 (Link to this contribution) We have endeavoured already to give details of how communal networks can be protected. I do not know...
Lord Lucas | 716 c818-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I said, we will come back to it. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 75 w...
Lord Maxton | 716 c811 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I confess to considerable ignorance of the copyright laws, but a basic problem with the wh...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c811-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment is very pertinent, particularly as we are trying to allocate cost sharing a...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c810 (Link to this contribution) 74A: Clause 4, page 7, line 13, at end insert— "( ) In this section "copyright owner" means someone ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c810-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 74A would ensure that only those copyright owners who were involved in genuine a...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c812 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we agree that the definition of "copyright owner", while generally understood in other pie...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c812-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we discussed last week the legitimate concerns held by many over the practice by some lega...
Lord Lucas | 716 c812 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we last discussed this matter, the Ministers involved fulminated against the activiti...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c813-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply. This is another way of coming at the problem that was...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c807 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that we all agree that it is important that internet subscribers receive notice ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c807-8 (Link to this contribution) I will take Amendments 72 and 73 together since they require internet service providers to send noti...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c809 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is extremely important. What is very often termed the mere conduit protection for ISP...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c809-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment seeks to preserve the position of internet service providers as "mere condui...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c810 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Razzall, and the noble Earl, Lord Erroll, for t...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c808 (Link to this contribution) 74: Clause 4, page 7, line 13, at end insert— "( ) Receipt of a copyright infringement report, the c...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c808-9 (Link to this contribution) We touched upon this issue in an earlier debate on the legal protections that internet service provi...
Lord Razzall | 716 c809 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment, which is also in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Clement...
Lord Whitty | 716 c804 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have no doubt that the Government will consider that I am becoming very suspicious of th...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c805 (Link to this contribution) I now understand exactly why the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, has proposed the amendment, and I agree th...
Earl of Erroll | 716 c806-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I just wanted to use this as an opportunity to raise another point. When I read the amendm...
Lord Whitty | 716 c806 (Link to this contribution) 72: Clause 4, page 7, line 11, leave out "electronic or"
Lord Whitty | 716 c806 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a practical amendment, which would delete the words "electronic or" before "postal...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c805-6 (Link to this contribution) Proposed new Section 124A(5) sets out what information a notification to a subscriber must contain a...
Lord Whitty | 716 c806 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend has underlined my point: what needs to be in the statement under subsection (5) appl...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c805 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord’s amendment raises for the first time the issue of when a technical measure will be i...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 716 c861 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am concerned that the noble Lord still has anxieties about what he referred to as techni...
Lord De Mauley | 716 c824 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I share the concerns of the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, about the drafting of this sub...
Baroness Buscombe | 716 c852-3 (Link to this contribution) From listening to the Minister respond to my noble friend’s concerns about the possibility of this b...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 716 c855 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the effect of the amendment tabled by the noble Lords, Lord Howard of Rising and Lord De M...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c825 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response. He has very helpfully described the workings of ne...
Lord Whitty | 716 c808 (Link to this contribution) I clearly failed to appeal to my noble friend in his other responsibility as Minister for the Post O...
Lord Razzall | 716 c839 (Link to this contribution) 93: Clause 6, page 8, leave out lines 25 and 26
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c844-5 (Link to this contribution) This is a probing amendment to see whether Her Majesty's Government have thought through the impact ...
Lord Clement-Jones | 716 c860-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am afraid that we are back into relatively technical territory here. The purpose of this...
Lord Lucas | 716 c797 (Link to this contribution) This is a fairly self-explanatory amendment, suggesting that a couple of things might usefully be ad...
Lord Howard of Rising | 716 c867 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we on these Benches entirely agree with the noble Lord on the need to send the notificatio...
Lord Lucas | 716 c859-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will not harry the Minister at this time of night if he is willing to write to me later,...
Lord Razzall | 716 c823 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in due course I will withdraw the amendment, but I am puzzled by paragraph 48 on page nine...
Subjects
Access Data protection Codes of practice Appeals Broadcasting Costs Computer networks Copyright Digital broadcasting Broadband Communication Fraud ICT Exemptions Intellectual property Libraries Internet Educational institutions Ofcom Radio frequencies Schools Subscriptions Internet service providers
Legislation
Digital Economy Bill (HL) 2009-10
Link
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