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Debate on Thursday, 11 March 2010, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Hunt of Kings Heath. The answering member was Baroness Wilcox.

Draft National Policy Statement for Fossil Fuel Electricity Generating Infrastructure (EN-2)

Lords debate on motion to consider the Draft National Policy Statement for Fossil Fuel Electricity Generating Infrastructure (EN-2). Agreed to on question. (Debated with Lords motions to consider the Draft National Policy Statement for Renewable Energy Infrastructure (EN-3), the Draft National Policy Statement for Gas Supply Infrastructure and Gas and Oil Pipelines (EN-4) and the Draft National Policy Statement for Electricity Networks Infrastructure (EN-5)).

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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
718 c135-81GC 
Session
2009-10
Department
Department of Energy and Climate Change
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Dixon-Smith | 718 c174GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise for interrupting the Minister yet again, but we need to clarify one issue. The...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c176GC (Link to this contribution) That reinforces the point that we need to encourage the diversification of gas supply. Also, while t...
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Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c136GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister will remember that under the procedures put to Parliament by his Secretary of...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c136GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is of course a matter for the usual channels. The point that I am making is that if t...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 718 c150GC (Link to this contribution) I absolutely accept that carbon is being stored at a number of operating sites. My comment that it i...
Lord Broers | 718 c151GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to add to the interruptions, but will the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, tell us why BP and She...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 718 c152GC (Link to this contribution) On the same point, in paragraph 4.7.1, it is made clear that the IPC, before it can consider and app...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c162-3GC (Link to this contribution) I will respond later, but I want to make it clear with regard to wave and tidal that the reason, as ...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 718 c160-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on the face of it, the EN-3 document gives some comfort to those who feel that there is so...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c177-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take the point that we may need to clarify the NPS. That is the benefit of these debates...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c179-81GC (Link to this contribution) Part of the value of these debates is that if noble Lords identify areas where they think that the n...
Lord Crickhowell | 718 c179GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord for doing his best to correct the extraordinary omission of any...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c178-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful and the noble Lord is providing invaluable advice to my department on those ...
Lord Oxburgh | 718 c178GC (Link to this contribution) I retrospectively declare an interest as honorary president of the Carbon Capture and Storage Associ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c176-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I get the message. Carbon capture ready means that all new combustion power stations of mo...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 718 c176GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, by "being out of gas" I did not mean that we would have run out of gas—I meant that we wou...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c174GC (Link to this contribution) I am very wary of jousting on technical issues with the noble Lord, Lord Broers, but I am sure he is...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 718 c173GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord for answering the queries about wind power. It is really a ques...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c173GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, there is a subsidy, and I do not think that the Government have ever denied that that subsidy i...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c172GC (Link to this contribution) This question is very important. What is the level of intermittency of wind? The Minister talked abo...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 718 c171GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister is defending himself. I certainly would not want to impute mischief, and I wo...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c169-71GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a great pleasure to wind up today’s debate, which is the third such debate that we h...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 718 c163-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister is making my case that when we finally approve these documents, we will need ...
Lord Teverson | 718 c165-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we come to the last of these debates, although we have been reminded that a similar subjec...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c136-7GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that I can speak on behalf of the noble Lord’s party if it were to form a Government ...
Lord Reay | 718 c137GC (Link to this contribution) If the election intervenes, the scrutiny period will have to be extended. That is not a matter for t...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c146GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the noble Baroness will let me intervene. Surely the point here is that we have a full progr...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 718 c146GC (Link to this contribution) I beg the Minister’s pardon. I accept the fact that there is a difference between the two programmes...
Lord Berkeley | 718 c149GC (Link to this contribution) I am so sorry, that is what I meant. Cement is a heavy user of carbon dioxide and thus a heavy pollu...
Lord Turnbull | 718 c151GC (Link to this contribution) We usually use just three letters—CCS—for carbon capture and storage. It has always struck me that t...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c151GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is absolutely right. Originally, it was CSS—carbon sequestration and storage—but "seq...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c151GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is quite right. Only about four months ago, the UK and Norway jointly hosted carbon s...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c151GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that. There is some confusion, and I am happy to regard myself as confused, but th...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c153-4GC (Link to this contribution) I am, in my turn, happy to be corrected by the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley. Perhaps I may conclude on...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c152GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord makes an extremely good point. I am happy to suggest that the Minister might like to ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c152GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend knows a great deal more about these things than I do and, like our noble friend Lady...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c151GC (Link to this contribution) I have talked to the BP people about the project at Peterhead. The storage was to be in the depleted...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 718 c161-2GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Minister could be as frank in his answer and say whether the chief executive is going to...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 718 c162GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have the privilege of being the last Back-Bench speaker in what effectively has been a f...
Lord Reay | 718 c156-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, last weekend, I attended a conference of wind farm protesters in the north of England. It ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c174GC (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, it is better than that. It is about 6 per cent. In 2002, it was roughly 1.8 per cent, ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c173-4GC (Link to this contribution) Yes. The point I should make for the noble Lord is that the United Kingdom is not going down the ren...
Lord Vinson | 718 c173GC (Link to this contribution) I have only been a listener, but I take a great interest in this subject. What does all this do to o...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c173GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, and I am happy to write to the noble Lord. We have set out scenarios for how we will get to tha...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c172GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I assure the noble Lord that my department, in taking forward work in relation to the Seve...
Lord Broers | 718 c164-5GC (Link to this contribution) With permission, I should like to speak briefly in the gap. In the debate on EN-1, I asked the Minis...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c135GC (Link to this contribution) That the Grand Committee do report to the House that it has considered the Draft National Policy Sta...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c136GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, my Lords, because it is the Secretary of State himself who set that period. I would be under a ...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 718 c136GC (Link to this contribution) I am sure that it would help my noble friend and the Committee if the noble Lord could assure us tha...
Lord Teverson | 718 c137GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that assurance. From this side, we welcome it.
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 718 c145-6GC (Link to this contribution) I agree with the Minister that most of us will not know what to do with ourselves next week since we...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c137-40GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, but I do not see why that occasions any concern. Clearly, if the debate takes place after the e...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c149-50GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise at once to the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, for having intervened right at the e...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c149GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, I just want to understand, as the noble Lord is making some important points. I think th...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c154GC (Link to this contribution) I should say that, of course, I am a great admirer of Ofgem and its work. I was merely pointing out ...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 718 c151GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is talking with great learning, but we have here the statement of Professor Stewart ...
Lord Willoughby de Broke | 718 c161GC (Link to this contribution) Whatever the EU policy is, we seem to have bought into it. The Government have chosen to use wind as...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c161GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it pains me to say it, but the noble Lord is absolutely right.
Lord Reay | 718 c157-60GC (Link to this contribution) Well, I have been disappointed even more quickly than I had hoped. The Government should follow the ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c178GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is a very good question. I am not sure that I can define "cost-effective" today. Perh...
Lord Oxburgh | 718 c178GC (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister finishes on CCS and goes on to something else, he used the expression "cost-effe...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c176GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry. We have to be very careful. We are moving towards a low-carbon world, but gas has an imp...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c177GC (Link to this contribution) One point that I perhaps did not develop is the question of how far a developer has to establish tha...
Lord Dixon-Smith | 718 c176GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have no quarrel with the decision in the short term. However, if we look at the targets ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c174-6GC (Link to this contribution) That is right. We have said that nuclear power must be developed to be commercially viable with no s...
Lord Crickhowell | 718 c174GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the Minister again, but he expressed confidence that the 2020 target for ele...
Lord Broers | 718 c174GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord. On a point of clarity regarding the figure of 26 gigawatts, ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c172-3GC (Link to this contribution) No, there is a distinction between the figure of 78 per cent and the load factor, which is around 20...
Lord Crickhowell | 718 c172GC (Link to this contribution) Is not one problem of the Government's approach to the Severn tidal barrage that they are concentrat...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c171GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful. I repeat, from 2020 onwards, tidal power in particular might well have a lot to offer...
Baroness Wilcox | 718 c167-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, thank my noble friends and others for their contributions today and on the other d...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c135-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not for one moment thought that if we tabled resolutions they would not be taken bef...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c135GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased to open this, our third session on the energy national policy statements. Be...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c137GC (Link to this contribution) With the greatest respect, the statement I am making shows that, by implication, the scrutiny period...
Lord Reay | 718 c137GC (Link to this contribution) But that means, does it not, that the scrutiny period will have to be officially extended before the...
Lord Crickhowell | 718 c140-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was away for most of February and it was not until I read the Official Report of Tuesday...
Lord Berkeley | 718 c146-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will concentrate on the transport infrastructure, particularly during the construction p...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c150-1GC (Link to this contribution) I take the noble Baroness’s point, and she is quite right to correct me to that extent. Of course th...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 718 c154-6GC (Link to this contribution) I am dealing with its regulatory function. I accept the point that the Minister has made and I have ...
Lord Berkeley | 718 c153GC (Link to this contribution) I want to help the noble Lord avoid too many Hansard corrections. I think that he referred to EN-1 i...
Lord Teverson | 718 c161GC (Link to this contribution) I was not aware that there was any EU policy in favour of wind. EU policies cover renewables; there ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 718 c157GC (Link to this contribution) I was nodding because I accepted the noble Lord’s point about the importance of offshore wind, but m...
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Coal fired power stations Carbon capture and storage Electricity generation Electricity Infrastructure Electric cables Oil Planning permission Planning Natural gas Parliamentary scrutiny Pipelines Storage Renewable energy Wind power National grid Fossil fuelled power stations Liquefied natural gas Infrastructure Planning Commission National policy statements
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