Debate on bill on Wednesday, 25 January 2006, in the House of Lords.

Terrorism Bill 2005-06

Terrorism Bill. Lords Report stage second day. Concluded. Bill reported as amended. (HL Bill 69).

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Type: Parliamentary proceeding
Reference: 677 c1186-1254
Session: 2005-06
Department: Home Office
Legislative stage: Report stage
Procedure: New clauses
Chamber / Committee: House of Lords chamber
Related items: Terrorism Bill .As amended in Committee (HL)
Tuesday, 20 December 2005
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions: Lord Kingsland | 677 c1198 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 68:"Page 18, line 14, at end insert—""““““indirect encouragement”” comprises a s...; Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 677 c1198 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 67:"Page 18, leave out lines 13 and 14." On Question, amendment agreed to.; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c1199-200 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for tabling the amendment and for having had the courtesy ...; Lord Elton | 677 c1198-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 68A:"Page 18, line 27, leave out ““except in section 9(4),””" The noble Lord sa...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c1200 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I think that I am, my Lords. I understand the noble Lord’s intention in putting forward this a...; Lord Elton | 677 c1200 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the Minister saying that the noxious substance would remain classified as radioactive i...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c1200-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 69:"Page 18, line 44, leave out ““of a description”” and insert ““illustrative o...; Lord Elton | 677 c1200 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall read what the Minister said with great care. If his explanation, which he confirme...; Baroness Williams of Crosby | 677 c1195-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand those points and I am grateful to the noble Baroness for making them. I am we...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1195 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Baroness does that, I should say two things. First, Parliament will have ...; Lord Tordoff | 677 c1202 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment No. 70A has been moved. That is the Motion before the House at the moment.; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1202 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for the noble Lord’s explanation. It is right, however, for the Government t...; Lord Kingsland | 677 c1201-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the reason why I think it appropriate to move the amendment formally is that we had a long...; Lord Tordoff | 677 c1201 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may intervene and say that it would help the Chair if we could hear what was bei...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1202-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I can put the noble Lord out of his misery. I accept that, at this stage, this ame...; Lord Kingsland | 677 c1202 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I humbly suggest to the Minister that it is not as simple as that. Clearly, any reference ...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1202 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, then I shall not take long. The Government accept the position that has been brought abou...; Lord Kingsland | 677 c1201 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my understanding, and I beg your Lordships’ pardon—; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1201 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble Lord saying that he is moving Amendment No. 70A formally and will not speak t...; Lord Kingsland | 677 c1201 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 70A:"Page 19, leave out lines 29 to 44 and insert ““indirectly encourage terrori...; Lord Sewel | 677 c1208 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 77:"Page 23, line 5, leave out ““28”” and insert ““60””" The noble Lord said: M...; Bishop of Oxford | 677 c1208 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I urge the noble Lord not to give up hope because not only is it Burns Night, it is also t...; Lord Sewel | 677 c1208-10 (Link to this contribution) Hope springs eternal, my Lords. To use the phrase of the noble Marquess, Lord Salisbury, when he was...; Lord Imbert | 677 c1210-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I recall clearly the debate in Committee in your Lordships’ House on 13 December, particul...; Baroness Park of Monmouth | 677 c1214-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I find it difficult to follow that moving speech. I support the amendment because 60 days ...; Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 677 c1217-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. Following an outstanding debate in this Chamber in Committee in D...; Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 677 c1218-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not intended to intervene so early, but it may be helpful at this stage to hear the ...; Lord Clinton-Davis | 677 c1220-1 (Link to this contribution) : My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, holds great affection in your Lordshi...; Lord Gilbert | 677 c1221 (Link to this contribution) Equitable, my Lords.; Lord Clinton-Davis | 677 c1221 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am reminded by my noble friend Lord Gilbert that the word I was searching for is ““equit...; Lord Tordoff | 677 c1203 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, my Lords; we have so many pre-emptions.; Lord Tordoff | 677 c1203 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I call Amendment No. 71.; Lord Cameron of Lochbroom | 677 c1203-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 74:"Page 22, line 10, after ““Kingdom”” insert ““except Scotland””" The noble a...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1206-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Lord for his compliment on my Scots. I think it was the nobl...; Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 677 c1203 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 73:"Leave out Clause 21." The noble and lea...; Lord Cameron of Lochbroom | 677 c1207 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for her response, in particular for dealing with ...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c1207-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 75:"Page 22, line 27, at end insert—" ““( ) In paragraph 34(1) (persons wh...; Lord Henley | 677 c1232-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene because I suspect that many in the House would be grateful to move to a resolu...; Lord Harris of Haringey | 677 c1233 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to intervene when the noble Lord is clearly trying to stop other people speakin...; Lord Henley | 677 c1233-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, obviously, like the noble Baroness, Lady Scotland, I am in the hands of the House on this ...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1234-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, yet again, we have had an extraordinary debate in which there have been some very powerful...; Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 677 c1228-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was delighted to hear that Rabbie Burns was to be the poet of the day, given that his bi...; Lord Condon | 677 c1230 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Sewel set out most eloquently and fairly the case for the amendment t...; Lord Thomas of Gresford | 677 c1230-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in this extremely important and interesting debate, we have had the personal experience of...; Lord Joffe | 677 c1235 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to make it absolutely clear that never for a moment did I compare the UK Government...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1236 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for that very generous acknowledgement. I say to him that even in t...; Lord Sewel | 677 c1236 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate because by doing so they have helpe...; Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 677 c1222-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friends are too kind. If I offended anyone on that occasion, I can only apologise...; Lord Ramsbotham | 677 c1223-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my concerns, which I share with my noble and learned friend Lord Lloyd of Berwick, are bas...; Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 677 c1222 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I offer sincere congratulations to my noble friend Lord Sewel for a coherent, powerful and...; Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 677 c1222 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope it is not wishful thinking on my part to hope that some people who were uncommitted...; Earl of Onslow | 677 c1221 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, nullus liber homo capiatur. I will go on in English, since we are not quite such a well-ed...; Earl of Onslow | 677 c1221-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I applied that to myself, not just to other noble Lords."““No free man shall be taken or i...; Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean | 677 c1226-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suspect that all of us are pretty familiar with the arguments around this issue of where...; Baroness Elles | 677 c1228 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support very much the speech made by the noble Baroness, Lady Symons. As she knows, terr...; Lord Joffe | 677 c1224-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in Committee, the debate on the corresponding section for 90 days was curtailed. I did not...; Lord Joffe | 677 c1225-6 (Link to this contribution) But, my Lords, it is chilling to note how closely our terrorism laws follow the pattern of the South...; Baroness Park of Monmouth | 677 c1244 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the House has spent many hours debating how best to counter the threat to our country that...; Lord Elton | 677 c1252 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister never ceases to astonish me with the emollience of her refusals. I am obliged...; Lord Kingsland | 677 c1245 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I share the views expressed by all three previous speakers. The nature of the threat to ou...; Lord Elton | 677 c1244-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. I will only touch on the grounds for doing so because they have b...; Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 677 c1247-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for that long and detailed reply, which no doubt my noble friend Lady...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1245-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, for moving the amendment. I quite underst...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1250-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can reassure the noble Lord that I do not think that anything separates us. First, I thi...; Lord Elton | 677 c1248-50 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 82B:"After Clause 36, insert the following new clause—" ““REVIEW OF CODES OF C...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1251-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in relation to those matters, we do know that custody sergeants throughout the country hav...; Lord Elton | 677 c1251 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think I said anything about that, but if I had thought of it I would have done.; Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 677 c1242-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 82A: After Clause 35, insert the following new clause— ““AMENDMENT OF PREVENT...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c1241-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 82:"Page 33, line 20, at end insert ““other than an offence under section 1 or 2...; Lord Thomas of Gresford | 677 c1240-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 81:"After Clause 29, insert the following new clause—" ““COUNTER-TERRORIST POW...; Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 677 c1239-40 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 79:"After Clause 25, insert the following ne...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c1239 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 78:"Page 24, line 35, at end insert—" ““( ) In paragraph 32(2) (meaning of...; Lord Thomas of Gresford | 677 c1241 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I fully intend to do so, yes. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave,...; Lord Kingsland | 677 c1241 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister responds to the degree she feels appropriate in the circumstances, per...; Lord Thomas of Gresford | 677 c1241 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure with a very thinly attended House it would be an unnecessary encumbrance.; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1241 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, for indicating that he does not ...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1252-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 83:"Page 36, line 9, after insert ““that”” insert ““any provisions of””" The no...; Lord Elton | 677 c1253 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 83A:"Page 39, line 37, leave out ““of”” and insert ““for””" The noble Lord said...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1254 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 87 to 88:"Page 43, line 15, leave out ““or certificate””""Page 43, line 16, le...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1254 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 86:"Page 43, line 14, leave out ““or certificate””" The noble Baroness said: My...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c1254 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 85:"Page 41, line 33, leave out ““unjust”” and insert ““inappropriate””" On Que...; Lord Bassam of Brighton | 677 c1254 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 84:"Page 41, line 28, leave out ““unjust”” and insert ““inappropriate””" The no...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1253 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hear the noble Lord saying, ““Be careful, or I’ll divide””. It is not his most attractiv...; Baroness Williams of Crosby | 677 c1194 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister has responded—; Lord Kingsland | 677 c1194 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister sits down, perhaps I may press her a little on how the Attorney-Genera...; Lord Goodhart | 677 c1193 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. She said that these are factors that a...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1193-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand why the noble Lord tempts me down that line but it is right that in exercisin...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1194 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have already said that it would be essential for any Attorney-General to take into accou...; Baroness Williams of Crosby | 677 c1194-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, and I are trying to decide, at a distance, which of us is ...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1192-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Williams, for expressing her support for these amendments...; Lord Kingsland | 677 c1191-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like all noble Lords, we are extremely grateful to the noble Baroness for considering this...; Lord Goodhart | 677 c1190-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to add a few words to what my noble friend Lady Williams so eloquently said. In Com...; Bishop of Oxford | 677 c1190 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the amendment, for the reasons so powerfully and cogently put forward by t...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1186 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the Bill be now further considered on Report. Moved accordingly, and, ...; Baroness Williams of Crosby | 677 c1186-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 64:"Page 17, line 41, at end insert—" ““( ) In deciding whether to give co...; Lord Judd | 677 c1188-9 (Link to this contribution) I urge my noble friend to give serious consideration to what the noble Baroness said and to treat he...; Lord Clinton-Davis | 677 c1189 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when my noble friend was at the Foreign Office—and I think he was a very good Minister the...; Lord Judd | 677 c1189 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is a very fair question from my noble friend. We were fellow Ministers in the same Ad...; Earl of Onslow | 677 c1189-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that if this country were under a severe tyranny—and I do not mean the half-hearted...; Lord Kingsland | 677 c1203 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the Minister agree that it is in order for me to move this amendment formally? I am m...; Lord Tordoff | 677 c1203 (Link to this contribution) It is not only not moved, my Lords, it is not allowed to be moved. [Amendments Nos. 71 and 72 not m...; Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 677 c1240 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 80:"Page 28, line 38, leave out ““mentioned in subsection (1)(a) to (e)”” and in...; Lord Kingsland | 677 c1203 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment is not moved.
Subjects: Civil liberties Codes of practice Detainees Companies Assets Human rights Genocide National security Police Powers Nuclear weapons Police custody Terrorism Training
Legislation: Terrorism Bill 2005-06
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Terrorism Bill 2005-06

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