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Debate on bill on Wednesday, 23 April 2008, in the House of Lords.

Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill

Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill. Lords Report stage fourth day. Concluded. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 51). Part 2 of 2 records.

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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
700 c1577-636 
Session
2007-08
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Haskel | 700 c1584 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if Amendment No. 101A is agreed, I cannot call Amendment No. 101AA because they are altern...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 700 c1636 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in adjourning the House, I should like to place on record the thanks of noble Lords on all...
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Lord Haskel | 700 c1588 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have to inform the House that if Amendment No. 102A is agreed, I cannot call Amendments ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1584 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, for the noble Lord’s benefit, I should say that Amendment No. 101A is pre-empted by the fa...
Lord Haskel | 700 c1584 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment No. 99F was agreed to so I cannot call Amendment No. 100 because of pre-emption....
Lord Haskel | 700 c1590 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot call Amendments Nos. 103 to 105. [Amendments Nos. 103 to 105 not moved.] [Amend...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 700 c1579 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must inform your Lordships that if Amendment No. 99F is carried, I shall not be able to ...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 700 c1630 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister has discussed this extensively with me and I am extremely pleased to hear him...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 700 c1607-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I warmly support my noble friend’s amendment, and I know how much we are all longing to ge...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 700 c1606-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 114: 114: After Clause 123, insert the following new Clause— ““Anti-social beh...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1613-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 114A: 114A: Schedule 22, page 247, line 33, leave out ““the first regulations ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 700 c1612-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have come into this debate as a new person, and the Minister’s reply to the informed com...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1611-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is falling into the trap into which he fell in the last debate. I will not ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1610-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, did the Minister really agree with Miss Hazel Blears when she said that she wanted the com...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1609-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I welcome back the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, after her recent medical interve...
Baroness Walmsley | 700 c1609 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, briefly, I endorse the brilliant speech of my noble friend Lady Linklater of Butterstone. ...
Lord Judd | 700 c1609 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can say only that I endorse without qualification every word that the noble Baroness sai...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1597-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before responding to some of the points made, I should explain why Clauses 118 to 120 were...
Viscount Bridgeman | 700 c1600-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest as a former chairman of an independent hospice that is wholly contra...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1604 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 110A: 110A: Clause 118, page 87, line 24, at end insert ““and (d) any premises...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1636 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 117A: 117A: Clause 149, page 108, line 24, at end insert— ““(za) section (Powe...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1635 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 116 and 117: 116: Schedule 28, page 308, line 28, column 2, at end insert— ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1636 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 117B and 118: 117B: Clause 150, page 109, line 31, at end insert— ““(aa) sec...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1636 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 120: 120: In the Title, line 7, after ““criminality;”” insert ““to make provis...
Lord West of Spithead | 700 c1629-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment No. 115AC highlights the need to take into account factors particularly associat...
Viscount Bridgeman | 700 c1634 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 115LA: 115LA: Schedule 27, page 295, line 40, leave out paragraph 8 On Questi...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1634-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 115M to 115Q: 115M: Schedule 27, page 296, line 7, at end insert— ““9A Secti...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1632 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 115F to 115FA: 115F: Clause 144, page 106, line 34, at end insert— ““( ) an ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1632-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 115G to 115L: 115G: Schedule 26, page 280, line 34, after ““(b)(i)”” insert ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1631-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 115C to 115E: 115C: Schedule 25, page 276, line 9, leave out ““£500,000”” an...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1631 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 115B: 115B: After Clause 143, insert the following new Clause— ““Automatic dep...
Viscount Bridgeman | 700 c1631 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 115BA: 115BA: Schedule 25, page 269, line 33, leave out paragraph 14 On Quest...
Lord Avebury | 700 c1623 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can the noble Lord confirm that the panel of adjudicators reached its decision before the ...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 700 c1628-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 115AC: 115AC: Clause 139, page 100, line 35, at end insert— ““( ) Where the re...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1626-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 115A: 115A: Clause 137, page 99, line 22, at end insert— ““(5) In subsection (...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 700 c1627-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome what the Minister has said. I share his view and his hope that the positive atmo...
Viscount Bridgeman | 700 c1628 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that my noble friend Lord Onslow will be grateful for the Minister’s offer to co...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1628 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for noble Lords’ general support for the amendment. On the specific question...
Lord West of Spithead | 700 c1623-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my understanding is that that is correct, but perhaps I may complete what I was about to s...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1625 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord has not answered my question about the 10th person, who was never convicted...
Lord West of Spithead | 700 c1625 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the noble Lord for not having answered his point on that. I am afraid that ...
Lord Avebury | 700 c1625-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I said that these clauses were primarily designed to affect the position of the Afghan ref...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c1588-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one again has to say thank you, but, in this case, thank you for slightly less than in the...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c1587 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, of course one is grateful for concessions. I am flattered that people have actually listen...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1587-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 102A: 102A: Clause 101, page 76, line 18, leave out subsections (5) and (6) an...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1587 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 101E as an amendment to Amendment No. 101D: ...
Lord Kingsland | 700 c1590 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Lord. We—that is to say, the Opposition Front Bench—have n...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1589-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord should be reassured by the fact that the order cannot be renewed. That is a...
Lord Kingsland | 700 c1589 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Courts Service is one problem, but the Government also have a potential evidential pro...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1589 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I appreciate the noble Lord’s intervention; he asks a sensible and practical question. We ...
Lord Kingsland | 700 c1589 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to be sure that I understand what lies behind the Government’s proposal here. As I ...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c1584 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not quite see how the words ““satisfied beyond reasonable doubt”” under Amendment No....
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1584 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think subsection (1) was left out by Amendment No. 99F and the amendment in the name of ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1585 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 101B and 101C: 101B: Clause 100, page 75, line 3, leave out from ““court”” t...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c1584 (Link to this contribution) So I cannot discuss it, my Lords?
Lord Kingsland | 700 c1584 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a technical point; it is not one of substance.
Lord Kingsland | 700 c1585 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 101AA: 101AA: After Clause 99, insert the following new Clause— ““Provisions t...
Lord Kingsland | 700 c1585 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, it has gone. [Amendment No. 101A not moved.]
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1591-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 106G to 106M: 106G: Clause 116, page 85, leave out lines 40 and 41 and inser...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c1592 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 107: 107: Schedule 20, page 234, line 17, at end insert— ““(3A) An authorisati...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1591 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 106F: 106F: Clause 112, page 83, line 25, leave out ““, 109(4) or 110(3)(b)”” ...
Lord Hylton | 700 c1594 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the safeguards in the first three amendments in this group are essential. There is, no dou...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 700 c1592-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments Nos. 107ZA and 107ZB, which are grouped with Amendment No. 107...
Baroness Stern | 700 c1594 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support these amendments and to add a couple of points from the reports of the J...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 700 c1595 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord. This is not a frivolous point, but some of what he...
Lord West of Spithead | 700 c1594-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Earl, Lord Onslow, and the noble Baroness, Lady Miller of ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1590 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I always listen to the noble Lord on practical matters about how courts work. He makes a v...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c1590 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, will the Minister enlighten me on something that I am beginning not to understand? Let us ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1590 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot accept that these things will be based on tittle-tattle, but I realise that that ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1591 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 105B: 105B: Clause 101, page 76, line 31, leave out from first ““applies”” to ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1591 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 106A: 106A: Clause 103, leave out Clause 103 On Question, amendment agreed to...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1591 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 106C: 106C: Clause 107, page 80, line 31, at end insert ““or kept in service c...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1591 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 106B: 106B: Clause 105, page 78, line 39, at end insert ““or kept in service c...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1591 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 106E: 106E: Clause 111, leave out Clause 111 On Question, amendment agreed to...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1591 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 106D: 106D: Clause 110, leave out Clause 110 On Question, amendment agreed to...
Lord Judd | 700 c1580-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I put my name to Amendment No. 101 with real commitment and not as a formality. I have sai...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c1580 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I know he is, and that is why even though we disagree we have quite a decent personal rela...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 700 c1580 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am always happy to oblige the noble Earl.
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1582 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these arguments are not new. My noble friend has gone back to Dickens’s time. I can go bac...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c1582 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a terrible feeling that we were made Earls for supporting some of Pitt’s rather mor...
Lord Kingsland | 700 c1581 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I note that the noble Lord, Lord Judd, has signed Amendment No. 101; so to some degree he ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 700 c1581-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hear and endorse much of what the noble Earl, Lord Onslow, and the noble Lord, Lord Judd...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1583 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there we have it. It was exactly the same, except that the threat to this country was far ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1583-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I imagined that after an hour’s respite we might perhaps have moved on a bit more in the a...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1577-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 99F: 99F: Clause 99, page 74, line 24, leave out subsection (1) and insert— ““...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c1579-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that I have been so depressed for a long time as when I heard the noble Lor...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c1580 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Hunt. I knew that he could be of use to your Lordships’ House...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1599-600 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to my amendment. The purpose of this clause is to deal with low-level nuisan...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 700 c1596-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 108: 108: Clause 118, page 87, line 19, leave out ““English”” The noble Baron...
Lord West of Spithead | 700 c1596 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 107A: 107A: Schedule 20, page 241, line 36, at end insert— ““11JA Guidance (1)...
Earl of Onslow | 700 c1596 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand the problem of banging—in more than one sense of the word—in a house and of c...
Lord West of Spithead | 700 c1595-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can assure the House that that is absolutely not the case. As the noble Baroness rightly...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 700 c1598-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 110: 110: Clause 118, page 87, line 24, at end insert— ““(d) a registered hosp...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 700 c1598 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in the light of the Minister’s response and confirmation that redrafting will occur, I hav...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1597 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government seemed not to have noticed that they were proposing to make criminal law fo...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1605 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Bill provides for a new criminal offence, which is less than the existing criminal off...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 700 c1603-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I appreciate the response from the Minister; I recognise that this is a pre-assault clause...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1601-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I record my gratitude to the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, for again tabling this amendment...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1604 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord is trying to put in my direction words that he might want to reflect on. I ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1605 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord should desist from asserting that that is what I was saying. I did not say ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1604-5 (Link to this contribution) Exactly, my Lords. We are talking about increasing the powers of the police to arrest someone on the...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1605 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, but it is possible if someone is in the business of committing a criminal offence. The nob...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1605 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, you cannot say at the moment, ““If you cause a nuisance and are asked to leave but refuse ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1585-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 101D: 101D: Clause 101, page 76, line 4, leave out subsection (3) and insert— ...
Baroness Henig | 700 c1614-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 114E: 114E: Clause 128, leave out Clause 128 and insert the following new Clau...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 700 c1614 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 114B to 114D: 114B: Schedule 22, page 247, line 35, leave out ““such an inst...
Lord West of Spithead | 700 c1617-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as my noble friend Lady Henig said, I was able to have a very helpful meeting with her fol...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 700 c1616-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was very happy to put my name to this amendment. I also declare an interest as a vice-pr...
Lord Avebury | 700 c1618-20 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 114F: 114F: Clause 129, leave out Clause 129 The noble Lord said: My Lords, w...
Baroness Henig | 700 c1618 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased that we all agree on the importance of these provisions. I remain disappointe...
Lord West of Spithead | 700 c1620-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the issue raised by this group of amendments is simple. The fundamental point that we are ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 700 c1620 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend. I have already disclosed an interest in this case. I shall be i...
Lord West of Spithead | 700 c1623 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to run through how the panel’s judgment or assessment was arrived at, because...
Lord Avebury | 700 c1623 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that the panel of adjudicators reached its decision on the appli...
Subjects
Children Disclosure of information Criminal proceedings Crime Asylum Armed forces Crimes of violence Deportation Army Anti-social behaviour Civil proceedings Devolution Court orders Air force Custodial treatment Hospitals Industrial relations Families Evidence Human rights Inspections Health professions Hospices Misconduct Offenders NHS Parents Police Prisons Newspaper press Police authorities Navy Mental health Anti-social behaviour orders Scotland Young people Young offenders Security Strikes HM Prison Service Hijacking Local safeguarding children boards
Legislation
Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill 2006-07 to 2007-08
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