Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bill on Wednesday, 26 October 2005, in the House of Lords.
Road Safety Bill [HL]
Road Safety Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage fourth day. Clauses 29, 31-48 agreed to. Clause 30 agreed to as amended. Schedules 4 and 5 agreed to as amended. New clauses considered.
Secondary information
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- Parliamentary proceeding
- Reference
- 674 c1170-203, 1215-48, 1263-96
- Session
- 2005-06
- Department
- Department for Transport
- Legislative stage
- Committee stage
- Procedure
- New clauses
- Chamber / Committee
- House of Lords chamber
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Road Safety Bill (HL) 2005-06. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 5-EN also published.
Tuesday, 24 May 2005
Bills
House of Lords
- Proceeding contributions
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1192-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 130:"Before Clause 33, insert the following new clause—" ““CESSATION OF PAR...
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Lord Berkeley | 674 c1190 (Link to this contribution) I do not like to throw a spanner in the works but the open access railway directives 2001/1213 and 1...
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Lord Bradshaw | 674 c1190 (Link to this contribution) I will withdraw the amendment but I do not think that the answer was totally satisfactory. First, I ...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1190 (Link to this contribution) I cannot talk in terms of immediate months but I assure the noble Lord that we shall implement the d...
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1190-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 129:"After Clause 32, insert the following new clause—" ““LICENSING OF DRIV...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1191-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Earl for the precise way in which he tabled the amendment. We are not abo...
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1188 (Link to this contribution) I too support the amendment. It is important to remember that by 21 most school leavers will have al...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1189-90 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to noble Lords for contributing to the debate, especially to the noble Lord, Lord Brad...
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Lord Snape | 674 c1187-8 (Link to this contribution) I rise on this occasion to support the noble Lord, Lord Bradshaw. As your Lordships who served in th...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1176-80 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 122A:"Before Schedule 4, insert the following new schedule—" ““NEW SCHEDULE 2A ...
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Lord Hanningfield | 674 c1176 (Link to this contribution) There is little disagreement between us on this. We got the answer from the Minister that we wanted,...
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Lord Berkeley | 674 c1180-1 (Link to this contribution) The noble Earl, Lord Attlee, says that the police have excellent driving schools. All I can say is t...
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1180 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 122B:"Page 82, line 35, at end insert—" ““(3) The regulations shall make spe...
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1182 (Link to this contribution) I understand why the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, made his contribution. My amendment referred to scho...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1181-2 (Link to this contribution) It is my misfortune to have to navigate between the Scylla of the position of the noble Earl, Lord A...
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Baroness Crawley | 674 c1182-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 123:"Page 91, line 44, after ““training”” insert ““or giving instruction as part...
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Lord Ampthill | 674 c1182 (Link to this contribution) Having called Amendment No. 128, I apologise for my slip and now call Amendment No. 123.
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Baroness Crawley | 674 c1183 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, on her forensic look at this matter. On the face of ...
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Baroness Hanham | 674 c1183 (Link to this contribution) I have no objections to the amendments that have been moved. But I am unable to find anywhere else t...
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1184 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 127:"After Clause 32, insert the following new clause—" ““GENERAL PROVISION...
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Baroness Crawley | 674 c1183-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 124 to 126:"Page 92, line 2, at end insert ““or giving instruction as part of ...
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Viscount Simon | 674 c1185-6 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may be even more reactionary than my noble friend. If continental drivers have problems ad...
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Lord Hanningfield | 674 c1185 (Link to this contribution) As most Members of this House will know, this is not official Conservative policy. Therefore, we on ...
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Lord Snape | 674 c1185 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for striking a discordant note in your Lordships’ House. Some of us are quite proud of t...
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Earl of Mar and Kellie | 674 c1185 (Link to this contribution) I notice from the national cycle route which goes past my house—National Cycle Route 76—that the Nat...
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Lord Bradshaw | 674 c1187 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 128:"After Clause 32, insert the following new clause—" ““YOUNG DRIVERS’ SC...
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1186-7 (Link to this contribution) I was not the least bit surprised by the Minister’s confidence when he rose to the Dispatch Box to r...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1186 (Link to this contribution) This issue has been debated for the past 30 years. I thought for a moment that we were in danger of ...
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Baroness Crawley | 674 c1174 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 122:"Page 38, line 1, leave out from ““section”” to end of line 5 and insert ““1...
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Baroness Crawley | 674 c1173-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Earl, Lord Attlee, for answering the question of the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, ...
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Lord Mawhinney | 674 c1173 (Link to this contribution) I would be grateful if the Minister would explain how informed consumers are supposed to be informed...
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Lord Hanningfield | 674 c1174-5 (Link to this contribution) Our opposition to Clause 31 is relevant to our recent discussion. The explanatory note on Clause 32,...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1175 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is challenging a different philosophy with regard to guarantees to the public. Heavy ...
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1175-6 (Link to this contribution) It is important to remember that a candidate for an HGV test can waste an awful lot of time using a ...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1176 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that point. I notice that the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, is enjoying that rema...
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Lord Hanningfield | 674 c1171-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that answer. Perhaps he could comment further. The issue we are worried abo...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1171 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield. He will recognise that the DVLA...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1172 (Link to this contribution) I do not have a great deal to add on the principles behind the charging, but I assure the noble Lord...
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Lord Hanningfield | 674 c1172 (Link to this contribution) Disabled people and the elderly often change addresses rather more than some other people, so there ...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1172 (Link to this contribution) The charge is for the renewal of the licence. There will be no fee for notifying change of address.
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Lord Hanningfield | 674 c1172 (Link to this contribution) We must look further at the Minister’s response. With that, I shall not pursue this course today. C...
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Baroness Crawley | 674 c1172-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 121:"Page 37, line 40, leave out from beginning to ““courses”” in line 43 and in...
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Baroness Hanham | 674 c1173 (Link to this contribution) I want to ask the Minister a question; the Committee must forgive me if I ought to know the answer. ...
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1173 (Link to this contribution) I can help my noble friend. To be able to give paid instruction, you have to be registered with the ...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1170 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...
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Lord Higgins | 674 c1231 (Link to this contribution) Of course it is a matter for local authorities to make a judgment on the appropriate height. But the...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1230-1 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the noble Lord says. However, his amendment ties me down to the distinct uniformity of o...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1231 (Link to this contribution) It is a constructive and interesting point which we shall take on board.
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Baroness Hanham | 674 c1230 (Link to this contribution) I had intended to speak in support of my noble friend’s amendment. However, he seems to be doing ver...
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Lord Higgins | 674 c1230 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may immediately make a comment on the noble Lord’s three points. First, the curved shape t...
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Lord Higgins | 674 c1230 (Link to this contribution) There is lack of uniformity in the height of pedestrian islands or dividing islands even within a fe...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1230 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the noble Lord on introducing a subject that we have not met in recent Bills. I had t...
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Lord Higgins | 674 c1227-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 136:"After Clause 38, insert the following new clause—" ““RESTRICTIONS ON T...
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Earl of Mar and Kellie | 674 c1229 (Link to this contribution) I should like to intervene in a friendly manner on the amendment. I hope that the noble Lord, Lord H...
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Lord Berkeley | 674 c1229-30 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps we should have centimetres in Scotland and millimetres in England. That would sort the matte...
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Baroness Hanham | 674 c1227 (Link to this contribution) The Minister must be the only person in the country who thinks that not everybody who is fined after...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1226-7 (Link to this contribution) In this debate there is a danger of reiterating some of the issues that we discussed a short while a...
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Lord Bradshaw | 674 c1226 (Link to this contribution) I support this amendment because, like the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, I am a member of a local aut...
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Earl of Dundee | 674 c1226 (Link to this contribution) As my noble friend Lady Hanham has just pointed out, the speed camera income received in fines goes ...
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Baroness Hanham | 674 c1225-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 134:"After Clause 38, insert the following new clause—" ““APPLICATION OF SU...
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Baroness Hanham | 674 c1225 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply, which was a bit like a curate’s egg: half good and half bad. I ...
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Baroness Crawley | 674 c1224-5 (Link to this contribution) Caution is the name of the game for the Government in response to the noble Baroness’s amendment. We...
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Earl of Mar and Kellie | 674 c1224 (Link to this contribution) I believe that the Bill does apply in Scotland. The Road Traffic Act is reserved.
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Lord Berkeley | 674 c1224 (Link to this contribution) There may be occasions when this is a good idea. One has to think of the relationship between the tr...
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Lord Bradshaw | 674 c1221 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to delay proceedings further, but we are looking for something solid. Will the Ministe...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1220-1 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Colwyn, has an interesting point. He will recognise that we have variable warni...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1221 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether it is anomalous or simply a reflection of the fact that we are all on a learni...
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Baroness Hanham | 674 c1222-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 133:"After Clause 38, insert the following new clause—" ““MOTORCYCLES IN BU...
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Lord Hanningfield | 674 c1221-2 (Link to this contribution) For once, the Minister and I agreed more than everyone else did, which is interesting. I appreciate ...
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Earl of Mar and Kellie | 674 c1223 (Link to this contribution) The suggestion of the noble Lord, Lord Higgins, would not work in the city of Edinburgh, because the...
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Lord Higgins | 674 c1223 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support my noble friend’s amendment, but suggest that it is too modest. There is a strong ...
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Lord Brougham and Vaux | 674 c1224 (Link to this contribution) The Bill does not apply to Scotland.
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Lord Harris of Haringey | 674 c1216-7 (Link to this contribution) I concur with my noble friends on this point. I understand that the Transport Research Laboratory ha...
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Viscount Simon | 674 c1216 (Link to this contribution) I agree totally with my noble friend, and there is one further thing that I would like to say. It is...
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Lord Berkeley | 674 c1216 (Link to this contribution) As the Committee will know, I believe that people should keep within the law when it comes to speed ...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1219-20 (Link to this contribution) We have got criteria, so we know the basis on which cameras should be installed. My noble friend wil...
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Lord Harris of Haringey | 674 c1219 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend has, of course, a silken tongue. He is flattering to all of your Lordships who have ...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1217-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate, perhaps most of all to my noble...
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Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 674 c1217 (Link to this contribution) I support my colleagues, but in the spirit of the way in which we work in this Chamber I should say ...
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Lord Berkeley | 674 c1220 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister answers the question posed by my noble friend Lord Harris, I point out that he s...
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Lord Harris of Haringey | 674 c1220 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend and do not wish to prolong the discussion much further. My understa...
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Baroness Crawley | 674 c1203 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, I will. Clause 38 agreed to.
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1203 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to. ...
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Lord Hanningfield | 674 c1215-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 132:"After Clause 38, insert the following new clause—" ““AMENDMENT OF TRAF...
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Lord Berkeley | 674 c1202-3 (Link to this contribution) It is terribly exciting that Sweden, Lithuania and Poland have a reciprocal arrangement. However, if...
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Lord Bradshaw | 674 c1203 (Link to this contribution) As an addenda to the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, why is it not possible—there being...
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Baroness Crawley | 674 c1203 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may write to both Members of the Committee on those points.
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Lord Hanningfield | 674 c1203 (Link to this contribution) I, too, need some clarity. We all want to stop vehicle crime and will do what we can to stop it wher...
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Lord Hanningfield | 674 c1200-1 (Link to this contribution) Clause 38 provides statutory authority to the DVLA in Great Britain and Driver and the Vehicle Licen...
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Lord Berkeley | 674 c1201 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord raises an interesting point. There have been recent press reports about the number of...
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Baroness Crawley | 674 c1199-200 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Earl, Lord Attlee. I assure him that the Government share his concern tha...
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1200 (Link to this contribution) I listened carefully to the Minister’s response. I am sorry to say that she did not produce a single...
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Lord Brougham and Vaux | 674 c1198 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 130A:"After Clause 34, insert the following ...
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1198-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 131:"After Clause 37, insert the following new clause—" ““CONDITIONS ATTACH...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1198 (Link to this contribution) No, it does not proscribe that. One of the additional components of an approved number plate can be ...
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1198 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, made an important point. It is very important that the Minister tells...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1197 (Link to this contribution) My department is not responsible for keeping a register of prosecutions, so that may be a difficult ...
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Earl of Mar and Kellie | 674 c1197-8 (Link to this contribution) The Minister mentioned that the Bill extends the standardisation regulations to Scotland and to Nort...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1197 (Link to this contribution) We are aware of the strength of arguments being put. I will in due course give further reassurances ...
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Lord Berkeley | 674 c1197 (Link to this contribution) Will my noble friend write to Members who have contributed to the debate to say how many successful ...
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Viscount Simon | 674 c1195 (Link to this contribution) One thing that could be expanded upon at some stage is that there are sometimes places at markets wh...
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1195 (Link to this contribution) The Committee will be surprised to hear that I support my noble friend Lord Brougham and Vaux if, an...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1195-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I recognise that, in his amendment...
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Lord Brougham and Vaux | 674 c1197 (Link to this contribution) We debated a similar amendment in May 2001 on the Vehicles (Crime) Act. I was assured then that numb...
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Lord Bradshaw | 674 c1197 (Link to this contribution) I ask the Minister to reply to the point about the DVLA keeping an up-to-date register, because the ...
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Lord Brougham and Vaux | 674 c1193-4 (Link to this contribution) My Amendment No. 130A, which is grouped with my noble friend’s amendment, seems to be coming from a ...
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Lord Bradshaw | 674 c1194-5 (Link to this contribution) I support what the noble Lord, Lord Brougham and Vaux, has said. I am aware that all number plate su...
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Lord Hanningfield | 674 c1195 (Link to this contribution) I also support my noble friend Lord Brougham and Vaux. My name has been added to this amendment.
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1290-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the customary way the noble Lord, Lord Tanlaw, has introduced this amendment. On t...
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Lord Montagu of Beaulieu | 674 c1291 (Link to this contribution) I am an enthusiastic supporter of the amendment. I have been in Parliament now for 50 years, and thi...
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Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 674 c1291 (Link to this contribution) I rise very briefly. As the noble Lord, Lord Tanlaw, has said, RoSPA supports this amendment, and wo...
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Lord Berkeley | 674 c1291 (Link to this contribution) I very much support the amendment. I have been a great believer in this for years. The noble Barones...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1291-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Tanlaw, for the way in which he introduced the debate and for ...
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Earl Attlee | 674 c1293 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has been extremely helpful in accepting the road safety argument, but he has not actual...
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Lord Tanlaw | 674 c1293 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response and, indeed, acceptance of the fact that the amendment is conn...
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Lord Bradshaw | 674 c1294-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 169:"After Clause 43, insert the following new clause—" ““PROOF NECESSARY T...
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Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1295 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord for the way in which he moved the amendment. I should be only t...
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Baroness Crawley | 674 c1294 (Link to this contribution) I believe that my noble friend is right.
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Viscount Simon | 674 c1294 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for her reply. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, ...
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Lord Bradshaw | 674 c1295 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendments Nos. 169A to 16...
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Baroness Crawley | 674 c1295-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 172:"Page 98, line 3, at end insert—"Viscount Simon | 674 c1294 (Link to this contribution) I am not certain whether I heard my noble friend say that that will allow photographs to be taken in...Viscount Simon | 674 c1293-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 168A:"After Clause 43, insert the following new clause—" ““PROSECUTION OF O...Earl Attlee | 674 c1270-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 152:"After Clause 40, insert the following new clause—" ““INTERPRETATION: H...Lord Rogan | 674 c1272 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Earl, Lord Attlee. I first experienced the Segway human transporter on a visit t...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1272 (Link to this contribution) I tried this machine out at lunchtime in your Lordships’ car park, along with a few other noble Lord...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1272-3 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that is a source of amusement. She was quite frightened to start with but she asked m...Earl of Liverpool | 674 c1273-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suspect my noble friend Lord Attlee will be much encouraged by the support he has receiv...Viscount Simon | 674 c1274 (Link to this contribution) The first two amendments appear exceedingly good. I wanted to try out the Segway at lunchtime today,...Earl Attlee | 674 c1274 (Link to this contribution) I confess that I have forgotten what that section of the Highways Act does.Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1274-5 (Link to this contribution) Let me enlighten the Committee about that section—not that I am hanging the whole of my argument on ...Baroness Hanham | 674 c1275 (Link to this contribution) In bus lanes.Lord Bradshaw | 674 c1266-7 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 151ZA:"After Clause 39, insert the following...Earl Attlee | 674 c1268-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 151C:"After Clause 39, insert the following new clause—" ““RETROSPECTIVE LE...Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 674 c1267 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 151B:"After Clause 39, insert the following new clause—" ““DRIVER FATIGUE: ...Viscount Simon | 674 c1270 (Link to this contribution) I place on record that I also approve of this amendment.Baroness Crawley | 674 c1270 (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords for their contributions. While I am on my feet, I want to thank the noble Lord, ...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1269 (Link to this contribution) I support this amendment very strongly. I own an old car—a 1931 Lagonda. The insurance is very cheap...Lord Montagu of Beaulieu | 674 c1269-70 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps it is unnecessary for me to declare an interest in old cars, since it has been there for 50 ...Earl Attlee | 674 c1270 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her extremely helpful reply. I hope that she will make sure that when offic...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1280 (Link to this contribution) That is all very well, but the problem has been going on for years. When we have local authorities w...Earl Attlee | 674 c1280 (Link to this contribution) I am a little grateful for the Minister’s response. We often say that it is a helpful response; the ...Baroness Crawley | 674 c1280 (Link to this contribution) I am presuming that there are advertisements that would be lawful, as my briefing says that we are r...Earl Attlee | 674 c1280 (Link to this contribution) I was about to suggest to the Minister that she wrote to me. It is important that the farmers do not...Earl Attlee | 674 c1279 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister’s response. We do not have time to pursue the matter now, but I may r...Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 674 c1279 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment.Baroness Crawley | 674 c1279-80 (Link to this contribution) Yes, there is a problem, and yes, we are working on it, in the words of my noble friend Lord Rooker....Viscount Simon | 674 c1280-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 137:"After Clause 38, insert the following new clause—" ““DISPLAY OF PROOF ...Baroness Crawley | 674 c1281 (Link to this contribution) While I do not doubt the good intentions behind the amendment tabled by my noble friend, I have to d...Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1276-7 (Link to this contribution) I cannot do so with any precision. Let me make the obvious point. As the noble Earl, Lord Attlee, su...Earl Attlee | 674 c1276 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate, except for the Minister, at who...Lord Swinfen | 674 c1275-6 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister recall that there was a time when a man had to walk in front of a car with a red f...Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1276 (Link to this contribution) I am enormously grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Swinfen. He has just won for me a wager with my off...Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1275 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is helpful, as ever. I cannot go ““snap”” on that, either. We could have dedicate...Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1279 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I can be more helpful to the noble Earl than he suggested I was on the previous amendmen...Earl Attlee | 674 c1277-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 155:"After Clause 42, insert the following new clause—" ““REMOVAL OF VEHICL...Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1285 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the chance to intrude on the conversation. I congratulate the noble Lords on condu...Earl Attlee | 674 c1285 (Link to this contribution) Could that welcome reduction be because they are wearing crash helmets?Baroness Hanham | 674 c1286 (Link to this contribution) I think that I owe the movers of the amendment an apology. It will teach me to intervene without rea...Lord Swinfen | 674 c1286-7 (Link to this contribution) It would be interesting if the Minister would write to me with the problems that he sees with the dr...Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1286 (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Baroness is being characteristically generous. I checked that out as I though...Earl of Mar and Kellie | 674 c1289-90 (Link to this contribution) I have to say that I am not terribly pleased about this amendment. It may well be fine in the east o...Lord Tanlaw | 674 c1287-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 162:"After Clause 42, insert the following new clause—" ““REPORT ON EFFECT ...Baroness Hanham | 674 c1290 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend stands up to support this Motion, I have the same reservations about it as th...Lord Tanlaw | 674 c1290 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, presumably they have electric light in Stornaway, as they have else...Viscount Simon | 674 c1281 (Link to this contribution) I understand what my noble friend said about the imperfections of the amendment. I will seek further...Earl of Listowel | 674 c1284 (Link to this contribution) I note what the noble Baroness says. I am sure that the amendment is faulty in several ways, but I n...Baroness Hanham | 674 c1283-4 (Link to this contribution) May I intervene briefly on the amendment and ask the movers, because I have not had a chance to spea...Earl of Listowel | 674 c1283 (Link to this contribution) I have put my name to this amendment. I strongly support what the noble Lord, Lord Swinfen, has said...Lord Swinfen | 674 c1281-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 160:"After Clause 42, insert the following new clause—" ““CAUSING OR PERMIT...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1284-5 (Link to this contribution) I believe that wearing a helmet is right. I question whether the provision should be in primary legi...Earl of Listowel | 674 c1284 (Link to this contribution) I hear what the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, says. I recall what he said at Second Reading of his own ...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1284 (Link to this contribution) I have a few problems with this matter. Of course it is a good idea to wear crash helmets. I wear on...Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 674 c1284 (Link to this contribution) I support in principle Amendment No. 160. It seems to me that the saving of one child from death or ...Earl Attlee | 674 c1234-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for moving her amendment. She asked a number of interesting questio...Lord Brougham and Vaux | 674 c1234 (Link to this contribution) As vice-president of RoSPA, I agree with the noble Baroness that safety is paramount. But I quite ag...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1235 (Link to this contribution) I have concerns about this. Clearly, we need as many places where motorists can stop as possible. I ...Baroness Hanham | 674 c1232-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 138:"Page 45, line 8, after ““controls”” insert ““on entry and””" The noble Bar...Earl Attlee | 674 c1232 (Link to this contribution) had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 137A:"After Clause 38, insert the following ...Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 674 c1234 (Link to this contribution) I rise with my president of RoSPA hat on to say that I neither support nor oppose the amendments. Bu...Lord Bradshaw | 674 c1233-4 (Link to this contribution) I plead with the Minister to think very carefully about this. I am advised that the Institute of Adv...Lord Higgins | 674 c1231-2 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Amendment No. 137 not move...Lord Tunnicliffe | 674 c1241-3 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to support these amendments. I declare my interest as chairman of the Rail Safety and...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1241 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry for intervening. Network Rail gave me this paper, but it is so small that I have made a m...Lord Bradshaw | 674 c1240-1 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments moved by the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley. There is a series of these amendmen...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1238-40 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 140:"After Clause 39, insert the following new clause—" ““POWER TO IMPOSE R...Baroness Hanham | 674 c1237-8 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for worrying the Minister with nagging details, but the questions from all sides of the ...Lord Brougham and Vaux | 674 c1237 (Link to this contribution) Such areas might have toilet facilities. Who would clean them?Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1237 (Link to this contribution) We would not want to go into too much definition because a commercial operator might apply to operat...Viscount Simon | 674 c1235 (Link to this contribution) I do not intend to be too mischievous, but I noted that the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, very carefu...Earl of Mar and Kellie | 674 c1235 (Link to this contribution) I believe there is a small devolution issue here. While the Road Traffic Act is certainly reserved, ...Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1245-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Berkeley, who tabled these important new clauses, and to all c...Earl Attlee | 674 c1245 (Link to this contribution) I have added my name to Amendments Nos. 140, 142 and 144. The good news is that I have very rarely, ...Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1247-8 (Link to this contribution) Consultations will take place between the highway authorities and rail about these matters. As I ind...Earl Attlee | 674 c1247 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister’s wise response to Amendment No.143 on the penalties for bridge strik...Baroness Crawley | 674 c1248 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House be resumed. In moving this Motion I suggest that the Committee stage be...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1248 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my noble friend for his comprehensive reply but I am also very disappointed in...Viscount Simon | 674 c1263 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 146:"After Clause 39, insert the following new clause—" ““DRIVERS’ HOURS ...Earl of Dundee | 674 c1243 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, indicated, this group of amendments on level crossings will do thr...Earl of Mar and Kellie | 674 c1245 (Link to this contribution) Briefly, I like these three amendments, for these reasons. First, they make some attempt to equalise...Lord Snape | 674 c1243-5 (Link to this contribution) I too support the amendment so ably moved by my noble friend Lord Berkeley. Without again boring you...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1265-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 148:"After Clause 39, insert the following new clause—" ““POWER TO REQUIRE ...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1265 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for her explanation. She is quite right—as is the noble Earl, Lord Att...Viscount Simon | 674 c1264 (Link to this contribution) I have a vague recollection—I have no idea whether I am right or wrong—that Westminster City Council...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1266 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to my noble friend for those assurances. At this late hour, I shall read the...Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1266 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for the way in which he has introduced the amendment. I can give hi...Earl Attlee | 674 c1264 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that this is a matter for legislation. It is important to turn off the engine when one...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1264 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 147:"After Clause 39, insert the following new clause—" ““STATIONARY VEHICL...Viscount Simon | 674 c1264 (Link to this contribution) I am so glad that my noble friend foresaw that I was to table an amendment to this effect. I beg lea...Baroness Crawley | 674 c1263-4 (Link to this contribution) I have good news for my noble friend. Those amendments seek to reintroduce various provisions relati...Lord Harris of Haringey | 674 c1221 (Link to this contribution) I understand the reasons that the Minister set out, and we all look forward to hearing the results o...Earl Attlee | 674 c1192 (Link to this contribution) I can understand where the Minister is coming from, but I hope he will note my concern, which is wit...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1184-5 (Link to this contribution) This is an excellent amendment. Such a measure should have come in years ago. It is a little like st...Earl of Mar and Kellie | 674 c1291 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord for suggesting that; I did not know he was a convert. We also h...Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 674 c1268 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for that reply. In the light of it, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. ...Lord Colwyn | 674 c1220 (Link to this contribution) Would the noble Lord also agree that, in an ideal world, speed limits should be variable and cameras...Lord Bradshaw | 674 c1190 (Link to this contribution) Further to that, the legislation for the introduction of cameras in bus lanes has taken at least fiv...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1188 (Link to this contribution) I have put my name down to support the amendment. Both noble Lords who have spoken have talked about...Viscount Simon | 674 c1173 (Link to this contribution) I know that some driving instructors provide written contracts before they start teaching the candid...Lord Hanningfield | 674 c1170-1 (Link to this contribution) I give notice of my intention to oppose Clause 29 standing part of the Bill. It would, in short, int...Baroness Crawley | 674 c1296 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 172A to 178:"Page 98, line 32, leave out ““paragraph 6”” and insert ““paragrap...Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1267-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for introducing this amendment. The Government fully share her conc...Lord Davies of Oldham | 674 c1235-7 (Link to this contribution) If my noble friend Lord Simon were not seeking to be too mischievous, it seems to me that he was the...Baroness Crawley | 674 c1264-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Berkeley for raising this issue and to other noble Lords who h...Lord Hanningfield | 674 c1175 (Link to this contribution) I was not suggesting that one should reduce the qualification, the test requirements or the safety a...Lord Berkeley | 674 c1276 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Earl for giving way. How and when does the department intend to evaluate this mach...Earl Attlee | 674 c1277 (Link to this contribution) As I said, I am not completely surprised by the position of the Minister, but I am sure that we will...Earl of Listowel | 674 c1285 (Link to this contribution) I know that it is late. However, there has been considerable progress in recent years in encouraging...Lord Brougham and Vaux | 674 c1237 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister considered defining in the Bill what is the picnic area?Baroness Crawley | 674 c1201-2 (Link to this contribution) I go straight to the specific questions asked by the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, and my noble fri...Baroness Crawley | 674 c1296 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 180 to 185: "Page 106, line 2, at end insert—"