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Debate on bill and Committee proceeding on Thursday, 8 December 2005, in the House of Lords.

Civil Aviation Bill

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676 c107-82GC 
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2005-06
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Department for Transport
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Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c124GC (Link to this contribution) Are we considering the amendments which the noble Baroness has moved or not?
Countess of Mar | 676 c123-4GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the noble Baroness. We need an integrated look at the health of all people concerned...
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Lord Bradshaw | 676 c121GC (Link to this contribution) The facts are these. The police authority meets in public. Its agendas are published. Members of the...
Countess of Mar | 676 c139-40GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his attempt to respond to my very complicated speech. He seemed to...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c129GC (Link to this contribution) I hear what my noble friend says, but his suggestion introduces a complication. It also requires us ...
Lord Bradshaw | 676 c144GC (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Lord, Lord Faulkner, who made a masterful presentation of why the levy should be...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c174-6GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to both noble Lords for the considered way in which they have spoken to the amendment....
Lord Hanningfield | 676 c108GC (Link to this contribution) I add my support to the amendment. I shall move a similar proposal later and think that there is mer...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c121-2GC (Link to this contribution) : I am grateful to noble Lords, particularly those who have served in significant and distinctive wa...
Countess of Mar | 676 c121GC (Link to this contribution) Is it not a fact that representatives on local authorities have input into police committees? I am n...
Lord Hanningfield | 676 c121GC (Link to this contribution) What the local community wants is confidence in the knowledge that the security arrangements are in ...
Lord Hanningfield | 676 c120GC (Link to this contribution) I support the Minister on this occasion. Having Stansted Airport located in the middle of Essex, I w...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c138-9GC (Link to this contribution) I was not considering that issue at all. There may or may not be a case for primary legislation. I a...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c136-8GC (Link to this contribution) All Members of the Committee will appreciate the tour de force of the noble Countess, Lady Mar, not ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c138GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may finish this point; then of course I will give way to my noble friend. Secondly, when ...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c128-9GC (Link to this contribution) I think I am right that the Civil Aviation Authority has jurisdiction on work at height regulations....
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c129GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that the issue I have raised can properly be described as ““a small nut””. When it co...
Countess of Mar | 676 c126GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness spoke at length about emissions. Will the Minister address that issue and the way...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c127GC (Link to this contribution) They refer to all aircraft, not only to European-based ones. As I was saying, I hope that after thi...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c126-7GC (Link to this contribution) The issue of emissions is not quite as difficult as noise in terms of dispute over measurement. On e...
Baroness Hanham | 676 c153-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 39:"After Clause 10, insert the following new clause—" ““COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS OF...
Baroness Hanham | 676 c150-1GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 38:"After Clause 10, insert the following new clause—" ““REPORT ON AIR SAFETY ...
Baroness Crawley | 676 c151-2GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for putting her case so purposefully. I understand that she does not want...
Baroness Crawley | 676 c152-3GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Baroness sits down, perhaps I may assist by giving her the information. The number ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c145-7GC (Link to this contribution) I was rather hopeful that everybody on the Committee would speak and that I would have a full house ...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c147GC (Link to this contribution) I am much obliged. Measures introduced by statute govern the situation of insolvency or bankruptcy. ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c147-9GC (Link to this contribution) That relates to the question of people losing very substantial amounts indeed. My noble friend will ...
Baroness Hanham | 676 c142-4GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 40 tabled in my name is included in this group. I do not have much to add to what has ...
Lord Hanningfield | 676 c159GC (Link to this contribution) My point is that those people are still losing their homes, having to uproot themselves and move som...
Baroness Hanham | 676 c156GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. I would like to consider what he has said because I think that ...
Baroness D'Souza | 676 c164-6GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 44:"After Clause 10, insert the following new clause—" ““AIRCRAFT INVOLVED IN ...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c162GC (Link to this contribution) I have not consulted the Airports Act 1986 but I see no provision in the amendment for planning perm...
Lord Hanningfield | 676 c160-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 43:"After Clause 10, insert the following new clause—" ““ENCOURAGING AIRPORT C...
Lord Garden | 676 c167-8GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the amendment. I support entirely the remarks of the noble Baroness, Lady D’Souza, a...
Baroness Whitaker | 676 c169GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting my noble friend, but will he accept that his remarks go against the doc...
Lord Roper | 676 c170GC (Link to this contribution) I am surprised that of all people the Captain of the Yeoman of the Guard feels that it is not approp...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 676 c170GC (Link to this contribution) I recognise that the Minister is in an impossible and difficult position faced with this amendment. ...
Lord Hanningfield | 676 c176GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response, in particular his last comment that he will continue to refle...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c176-82GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 48:"Before the Schedule, insert the following new schedule—"““POLICING OF AIRPOR...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 676 c117GC (Link to this contribution) Following on the point made by my noble friend Lord Berkeley, I want to ask the Minister whether his...
Lord Bradshaw | 676 c115GC (Link to this contribution) First, I declare my interest in the matter as a member of the Thames Valley Police Authority. Althou...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c112-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 29:"After Clause 5, insert the following new clause—" ““POLICING OF AIRPORTS  ...
Lord Berkeley | 676 c111-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that comprehensive reply. I shall study what he has said very care...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c124-6GC (Link to this contribution) Very well. I shall therefore deal with Amendment No. 30, which has been moved, and the others which ...
Countess of Mar | 676 c124GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness spoke to Amendment No. 30 and I have spoken to Amendments Nos. 31, 32 and 34. If ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c124GC (Link to this contribution) If my noble friend wishes to complete this group of amendments he can certainly speak to Amendment N...
Lord Bradshaw | 676 c123GC (Link to this contribution) I support what the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, has said. I am concerned that gradually the country ...
Baroness Hanham | 676 c122-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 30:"Page 9, line 34, at end insert ““and of persons living in the vicinity of ae...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c121GC (Link to this contribution) I welcome what has been said, but I believe not only that the local community should be informed abo...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c120GC (Link to this contribution) I want to refer once again to the position of the local community. I agree entirely with my noble fr...
Baroness Hanham | 676 c120-1GC (Link to this contribution) To resolve some of these problems, the local community needs only to know that there is an agreement...
Lord Berkeley | 676 c119GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may raise another issue. My noble friend will be aware that the Government are trying to e...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c128GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 33:"Page 9, line 36, at end insert—" ““(   )   After section 5 insert— ““5A   ...
Baroness Hanham | 676 c127-8GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. I shall respond only to Amendment No. 30. No doubt the noble Co...
Lord Bradshaw | 676 c127GC (Link to this contribution) I am going to ask the Minister a question. Do the EU targets in respect of emissions, to which the M...
Baroness Hanham | 676 c153GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps at some stage we could have the figures. I would be very grateful for them. I beg leave to w...
Baroness Hanham | 676 c152GC (Link to this contribution) I said in opening that this was a probing amendment. I appreciate that when someone says ““a probing...
Viscount Tenby | 676 c145GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment, the case for which was so lucidly and powerfully made by the noble Lord, Lo...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c144-5GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, support my noble friend Lord Faulkner. My noble friend Lord Davies will have a tremendous jo...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c140GC (Link to this contribution) I shall have to look at the record and discuss with the noble Countess exactly what she means by tha...
Lord Hanningfield | 676 c156-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 42:"After Clause 10, insert the following new clause—" ““COMPENSATION: AIRPORT...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c159GC (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend addresses that remark, is it not true that it is not only people who are near...
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 676 c166-7GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness described her amendment as a preliminary effort. It is a jolly good preliminary e...
Lord Hanningfield | 676 c172-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 44B:"After Clause 10, insert the following new clause—" ““RELIEF FROM LIABILIT...
Baroness D'Souza | 676 c171-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the Minister for his considered reply and am truly grateful for the wide ...
Baroness Whitaker | 676 c168GC (Link to this contribution) I want briefly to add my voice to everything that has been said on all sides, in particular in view ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c170-1GC (Link to this contribution) It is not within my powers to restrain such a development. I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Rop...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c176GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 46:"Page 12, line 23, at beginning insert ““Otherwise,””" On Question, amendmen...
Lord Berkeley | 676 c107-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 28A:"After Clause 4, insert the following new clause—" ““SOUND-PROOFING OF DOM...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c108-11GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to Members of the Committee who have spoken, especially my noble friend who introduced...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c117-9GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to Members of the Committee. A broad beam crossed my face when the noble Lord, Lord Ha...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c115-6GC (Link to this contribution) I am indebted to my noble friend Lord Davies for writing to the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, on th...
Lord Hanningfield | 676 c114-5GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments in principle. Opposition Front Benches are often criticised for the detail ...
Lord Hanningfield | 676 c124GC (Link to this contribution) We are happy to deal with the next group, which is very similar, at the same time.
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c124GC (Link to this contribution) I shall leave Amendment No. 33 to be dealt with separately.
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c119-20GC (Link to this contribution) I am unconvinced of the case as yet, but I have it in mind that it is being presented by Members on ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c138GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry. My noble friend is quite right. We are aware of international investigations that are ta...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c139GC (Link to this contribution) As I indicated, there is a framework whereby we are looking at the evidence coming through under the...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c136GC (Link to this contribution) The whole Committee is indebted to the noble Countess, Lady Mar, for her expertise on the issue. I s...
Countess of Mar | 676 c129-36GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 35:"After Clause 7, insert the following new clause—" ““CIVIL AVIATION OCCUPAT...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c138GC (Link to this contribution) I asked my noble friend whether the Government were embarking on any initiatives at an international...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c128GC (Link to this contribution) The amendment, which my noble friend moved in such clear terms, enables me to address in a rather mo...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 676 c149-50GC (Link to this contribution) What an interesting debate. I thank noble Lords of all political parties and none for their support ...
Countess of Mar | 676 c145GC (Link to this contribution) So as not to be left out, and to make the Minister feel even more beleaguered, I, too, support the a...
Lord Berkeley | 676 c144GC (Link to this contribution) I also support my noble friend Lord Faulkner’s amendment. I fail to see the argument against a £1 or...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 676 c140-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 36:"Page 11, line 46, at end insert—" ““““71C   AIR TRAVEL TRUST: CONTRIBUTION...
Lord Bradshaw | 676 c158GC (Link to this contribution) I support what the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, has said. I declare a non-interest in that to my k...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c158GC (Link to this contribution) As a resident of a frontier town on the borders of Essex, I must say that I am absolutely shocked th...
Lord Hanningfield | 676 c159GC (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept that with an airport with a considerable runway, a considerable number of p...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c158-9GC (Link to this contribution) I defer to my noble friend, who is so well informed on those matters. Stansted was bound to be an im...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c154-6GC (Link to this contribution) We have some sympathy with the aim behind the amendment—the identification of aircraft for the purpo...
Lord Hanningfield | 676 c163-4GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. As I said in my introduction, we expect major announcements fro...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c162-3GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to both Members of the Committee who have contributed to this short debate, particular...
Lord Hanningfield | 676 c160GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for his reply, which was much as we expected. I agree that compensation for a...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c159-60GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is right that airports can give effect to this, but he must know of major road scheme...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c168GC (Link to this contribution) I support what has been said. Rendition, as practised by the Americans, is wholly unacceptable. I ho...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c168-9GC (Link to this contribution) This has been a serious and important debate. I must emphasise to the Committee that because this is...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c169-70GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend will recognise that for all kinds of good reasons, the idea that a state could abrog...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c171GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend knows that I feel very strongly about this issue. The whole Committee owes a debt of...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 676 c173-4GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, is right to say that the amendment which I was forced to withdraw...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 676 c176GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 45:"Page 12, line 22, at end insert—" ““(   )   Section (Policing of airports)...
Lord Bradshaw | 676 c108GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley. The whole issue of noise around airp...
Lord Berkeley | 676 c116-7GC (Link to this contribution) I welcome the clarification set out in this group of amendments. They possibly prejudge a wider deba...
Subjects
Complaints Compensation Detainees Arrests Aviation Air pollution Buildings Competition Airports Air routes British Transport Police Damage Airlines Health Fees and charges Liability Environment Households Insurance Insulation Exhaust emissions Police Management Monitoring Passengers Noise Security Safety Tour operators London airports Air Travel Trust Countries
Legislation
Civil Aviation Bill 2005-06
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